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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
Got any tips on how to deal with it? Some games the enemy just communicate much better or they are a big stack of 3+2 that want to go 5-man. I usually have vision ready when it happens. Basically offensive trilane, then their mid comes, and their offlaner tps in. Should we all just tp out and trade towers as much as we can? I feel very often games are lost because of bad engagements early vs 5 at t1 can lose you the game | ||
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Eriksen
Micronesia720 Posts
On June 21 2014 18:54 llIH wrote: Dealing with 5-man dota as solo queue mm Got any tips on how to deal with it? Some games the enemy just communicate much better or they are a big stack of 3+2 that want to go 5-man. I usually have vision ready when it happens. Basically offensive trilane, then their mid comes, and their offlaner tps in. Should we all just tp out and trade towers as much as we can? I feel very often games are lost because of bad engagements early vs 5 at t1 can lose you the game Creating space for any of your cores and buy as much time as possible are fine, as long as you don't get caught / picked-off while they're hitting your towers to death. Thing about early aggresion is that they have less exp gained as they will share it as 5. If you HAVE to engage, then ask everyone to TPs and pick them off one-by-one or just straight-up fight. That should be dependant on your team's lineup and theirs. I guess so. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On June 21 2014 19:50 Eriksen wrote: Creating space for any of your cores and buy as much time as possible are fine, as long as you don't get caught / picked-off while they're hitting your towers to death. Thing about early aggresion is that they have less exp gained as they will share it as 5. If you HAVE to engage, then ask everyone to TPs and pick them off one-by-one or just straight-up fight. That should be dependant on your team's lineup and theirs. I guess so. I'm thinking past that. If I ask for tp and our mid + off-lane does not tp in time. Shouldnt we just abandon the lane to make losses minimal? (In this situation I usually play #5 with my carry as dual or as tri) | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
If you're going to go helm to stack/farm ancient camps, ideally, when are you going for the helm? I was playing a game as luna earlier, which I never play. I know that using helm to stack ancients and farm them with moon glaives is a very popular build, but I didn't know when to get the helm. I ended up going treads>drums>helm. After I got the helm I started stacking and went to ancient camp when I hit 3 stacks. I couldn't really finish the camp as they did so much damage to me. Should I be going for a damage item first? Does it really matter what hero I'm using to farm them? For instance DK vs Luna, would I be timing it any differently? On a related note; I'm assuming you'll want to go satanic at some point if you're going dominator; should I be trying to get the satanic out earlier that I normally would? For me, if I go satanic it's usually after a big ticket item like butterfly, but this could be a noob mistake on my part. Thanks | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On June 21 2014 20:39 llIH wrote: I'm thinking past that. If I ask for tp and our mid + off-lane does not tp in time. Shouldnt we just abandon the lane to make losses minimal? (In this situation I usually play #5 with my carry as dual or as tri) A lot of it probably has to depend on the heroes. If they are running something like a storm spirit or something that can easily dive past the tower to kill you then it would probably be better to abandon the lane. But if they don't have good initiation and you have decent wave clearing supports it could easily be better to sit there and make them wait an additional 3-4 waves to get the tower while you're offlane/mid get solo exp/freefarm | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Generally, though, you're going to want to delay them as long as possible while not feeding. Totally abandoning the lane isn't a great idea unless you know they can dive and kill you if you're anywhere near. If they bring 5 heroes to a lane that early that's a huge investment, and they're banking on getting the tower and/or kills asap. If you can stall them for a few waves and avoid dying, they should end up behind so long as your own mid and offlaner have been making use of their empty lanes. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
On June 21 2014 21:19 Arisen wrote: I have a question about helm of the dominator. If you're going to go helm to stack/farm ancient camps, ideally, when are you going for the helm? I was playing a game as luna earlier, which I never play. I know that using helm to stack ancients and farm them with moon glaives is a very popular build, but I didn't know when to get the helm. I ended up going treads>drums>helm. After I got the helm I started stacking and went to ancient camp when I hit 3 stacks. I couldn't really finish the camp as they did so much damage to me. Should I be going for a damage item first? Does it really matter what hero I'm using to farm them? For instance DK vs Luna, would I be timing it any differently? On a related note; I'm assuming you'll want to go satanic at some point if you're going dominator; should I be trying to get the satanic out earlier that I normally would? For me, if I go satanic it's usually after a big ticket item like butterfly, but this could be a noob mistake on my part. Thanks You want the dominator as early as possible to get the stacks up, going basi brown boots into helm is good if they don't have any one that can take advantage of your greedy opening. Really strong vs farming mids and passive junglers, not good vs heroes like puck and chen | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:03 KOFgokuon wrote: You want the dominator as early as possible to get the stacks up, going basi brown boots into helm is good if they don't have any one that can take advantage of your greedy opening. Really strong vs farming mids and passive junglers, not good vs heroes like puck and chen But, how do you actually farm the ancients? I was 10 or 11 I believe and had a hard time farming a 3 stack of ancient camps. Am I doing something wrong here, or am I just stacking it and not farming it for a while after? | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:12 Arisen wrote: But, how do you actually farm the ancients? I was 10 or 11 I believe and had a hard time farming a 3 stack of ancient camps. Am I doing something wrong here, or am I just stacking it and not farming it for a while after? By the time you go to farm them you should have 1 or 2 points into the bouncing glaives. Just go in and hit them and run back as if you are stacking. You can then just autoattack them as they are walking back into their spawn, and the bouncing should pull them back out to you. You really shouldn't have too much trouble if you have HoD, just don't sit there trying to tank them. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
People say jungle doom makes your lanes super bad. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:37 llIH wrote: Is Doom jungle very bad? People say jungle doom makes your lanes super bad. Well, jungling in general is going to make your lanes worse because you have one less hero helping out in the lanes. Then he also doesn't offer as much ganking potential as someone like Enigma, Chen, or Enchantress so once again he can't really help the lanes out. I wouldn't say it is definitely "very bad" though, if your other four heroes are decent laners and the enemy team can't really punish a greedy doom jungler then you should come out of the early game with an advantage. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:37 llIH wrote: Is Doom jungle very bad? People say jungle doom makes your lanes super bad. Doom that AFK jungles a radiance is generally bad, but Doom who ganks at lvl 6 and buys something useful such as blink or mek with the early farm can be really good. Jungling doom does not add anything to your lanes pre lvl6, so compared to junglers like Chen or enchantress he will make your lanes weaker. On the other hand jungle is at the moment probably the best way to get doom safely to lvl 6 and get him the gold he needs for first item or two, as his lane presence is not very heavy and he is very gankable. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On June 21 2014 23:30 Ryder. wrote: Where did this support kunkka craze suddenly come from? I see him paired a lot of SD in pro games. Has this been done before? Is support kunkka (or incidentally support skeleton king) viable in pubs? viable in pubs is always the key phrase. pairing kunkka with SD takes some moderate coordination to execute. luckily disruption and torrent both have long ranges, which makes it slightly easier to execute. as for support WK, absolutely viable. pubs have little coordination, so i would argue he abuses that coordination with blink and blade mail. focus him down and he has that massive slow and just comes right back..dont focus him and everyone gets his aura. blade mail forces the latter to happen so that he can continue to provide the aura and pop blademail a second time after he is killed and come back. oh and his stun has a really REALLY short cooldown. plus, at a certain point, he can build items that transition him into a semi-carry. i wanna edit this! also - the ability to bottle crow with x-marks the spot to bring your team HP and mana for sustain is phenomenal. the change to 8s on allies occurred last patch, so that could have an impact. | ||
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Autotroph
United Kingdom940 Posts
"Soul Ring: Sacrifice does not track mana loss and exceeds mana pool" is considered a bug? Seems that the mana is always intended to go over your maximum? It is temporary... | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 22 2014 06:21 Autotroph wrote: Anyone got some insight as to why "Soul Ring: Sacrifice does not track mana loss and exceeds mana pool" is considered a bug? Seems that the mana is always intended to go over your maximum? It is temporary... It differs from how the item functioned in wc3. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14911 Posts
On June 21 2014 22:12 Arisen wrote: But, how do you actually farm the ancients? I was 10 or 11 I believe and had a hard time farming a 3 stack of ancient camps. Am I doing something wrong here, or am I just stacking it and not farming it for a while after? If you get 2 in aura you should have 3 in glaives plus treads and you should be able to semi kite semi tank a 4 or 5 stack easily | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
If you dont, pull the pack back and then let them aggro->deaggro->reaggro so they run back and forth while you just hit whatever is closest you shouldnt have much problem i think. | ||
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