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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 08:47:18
October 21 2015 08:45 GMT
#23101
@SlottedPig

I dont think blocking your hard camp is the way to go on either side. Thats not what makes him strong. What makes him strong is the new W which makes him incredibly hard to take down on early levels. If he can get to ~lvl 5 hes pretty much unkillable for a duo lane and maybe very hard to kill for trilanes too. And when he gets 6 he can solo kills lots of stuff with W+R.

As for how to deal with him. If you have any kill potential at all, try to kill him on early levels. Once he starts to get levels into W he's becoming way way way harder to kill. Some Dooms autoskill Devour lvl 1, which makes him very killable. Even if they skill W, you might have a chance on lvl 1 or 2. However if you dont have any kill potential (which is often the case with pub duo safelanes), play defensive and just try to pull and farm. Way too many duo lanes try to go aggro on Doom and then Doom hits W, turns around and kills them. God the amount of 1v2 kills I've seen this patch..... The better way is likely to push the lane and stack and pull so he cant contest the pull. At the very least you'll be denying him exp that way. If the pull camp is blocked, sucks to be you, prepare for Doom to have a great lane.

Later in the game healing is the way to go. Any healing helps really. I like Abaddon because it forces Doom to either Doom a support (which is a win in itself) or that support will keep the doomed target alive. Other healers like Dazzle, Omni, etc are good too although they dont have Abas single target healing. Another great option is Juggs healing ward. Other options also include Chen sendback and Wisp relocate to base. Theres probably more good options.

If you dont have anything particular like that available, be prepared to fight 4v5 many fights. Its not impossible, many heroes can fight ok even Doomed or you can disengage and wait for Doom to end. But it certainly makes it harder.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8649 Posts
October 21 2015 09:25 GMT
#23102
On October 21 2015 17:38 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 16:47 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On October 21 2015 15:22 Verniy wrote:
On October 21 2015 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
was there a way to zoom the camera out in dota?
after playing some lol ive realised my camera in dota is zoomed in as fuck
lol really has much better camera view than dota imo. wish there was a way to make dota's camera more like lol's

mousewheel

yeah im obviously talking about zooming out past the default setting...

no, that would be zoomhacking

if only.....
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 21 2015 10:18 GMT
#23103
On October 21 2015 18:25 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 17:38 ahswtini wrote:
On October 21 2015 16:47 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On October 21 2015 15:22 Verniy wrote:
On October 21 2015 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
was there a way to zoom the camera out in dota?
after playing some lol ive realised my camera in dota is zoomed in as fuck
lol really has much better camera view than dota imo. wish there was a way to make dota's camera more like lol's

mousewheel

yeah im obviously talking about zooming out past the default setting...

no, that would be zoomhacking

if only.....

theres a reason games have fixed zoom
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 13:45:01
October 21 2015 13:41 GMT
#23104
if a hero is euls up (by an enemy euls) and on 1hp for argument sake, is there a timing where u can heal that hero when he lands (with a click spell like omni heal stolen by rubick etc something) before he dies
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 21 2015 15:05 GMT
#23105
shouldn't be
note that rubick stolen spells have a 0.1s cast speed not 0. It feels fast as fuck but it's definitely too slow

mek or bkb on the cycloned hero might work on account of items going off truly instantly when u land (like BKB in icepath etc).
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 21 2015 18:09 GMT
#23106
but with cyclones, you're not actually removed from the map a la astral imprisonment.

can't you heal the person mid air and have it still affect them?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 21 2015 18:14 GMT
#23107
On October 22 2015 03:09 BluemoonSC wrote:
but with cyclones, you're not actually removed from the map a la astral imprisonment.

can't you heal the person mid air and have it still affect them?

u generally cant target invulnerable units (there are exceptions like diffusal on cyclone)
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 21 2015 19:28 GMT
#23108
correct, but what about mek and heals that can reach a unit that's not targeted. for example, dazzle's heal prioritizes heroes. will it still reach heroes affected by cyclone?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
October 22 2015 13:10 GMT
#23109
someone remind me what happened to calibration

i remember reading somewhere that they capped it at ~4.5k, is that true?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 22 2015 13:20 GMT
#23110
i heard it was capped at 4.8, who knows
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
October 22 2015 13:49 GMT
#23111
On October 22 2015 04:28 BluemoonSC wrote:
correct, but what about mek and heals that can reach a unit that's not targeted. for example, dazzle's heal prioritizes heroes. will it still reach heroes affected by cyclone?

mek heals cyclone
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
bruuuuu
Profile Joined October 2015
1 Post
October 22 2015 14:12 GMT
#23112
When exactly does invokers alacrity buff come in effect? As in, if i cast it as the projectile is flying will the hit have added dmg or does the buff have to be applied before the attack?
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7042 Posts
October 22 2015 14:20 GMT
#23113
On October 22 2015 23:12 bruuuuu wrote:
When exactly does invokers alacrity buff come in effect? As in, if i cast it as the projectile is flying will the hit have added dmg or does the buff have to be applied before the attack?


It has to be applied before the attack
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 22 2015 19:08 GMT
#23114
Note that AA chilling touch can be cast with the attack in the air.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 22 2015 19:38 GMT
#23115
On October 23 2015 04:08 Sn0_Man wrote:
Note that AA chilling touch can be cast with the attack in the air.

perhaps it's a common feature of attack effects that are only "expended" when they successfully hit. like storm's overloard
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
bdonballer
Profile Joined October 2014
United States408 Posts
October 23 2015 03:16 GMT
#23116
So Ursa's ult is 80% dmg reduction.
Centaur Warrunner's ult is 60% dmg reduction with aghs.

How do they interact? Is it like evasion with diminishing returns?
I carry hard!
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 23 2015 03:25 GMT
#23117
On October 23 2015 12:16 bdonballer wrote:
So Ursa's ult is 80% dmg reduction.
Centaur Warrunner's ult is 60% dmg reduction with aghs.

How do they interact? Is it like evasion with diminishing returns?

i think damage reduction of that kind is actually additive

so stirahgt up 100% damage reduction
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
October 23 2015 03:28 GMT
#23118
I wonder how that would interact with Abaddon ult. Would he not get healed since he's not taking damage?
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
October 23 2015 06:03 GMT
#23119
Abaddon's ult heals based on damage after reductions, but before other abilities that prevent damage outright like Aphotic Shield.

So no, Abaddon would not get healed from damage that had 100% reduction.
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
October 23 2015 12:22 GMT
#23120
How do you deal with bb
I honestly have no idea, none. What do you do in lane, how do you put your supports even close to him, what helps against him in teamfights, who counters him, I have no idea how to do anything against him help
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
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