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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 18:27:38
February 17 2015 18:21 GMT
#20741
nice tnx
but i guess it does increase her visibility since you can be like oh look a dog cm must be here oh she is lol


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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
February 17 2015 18:25 GMT
#20742
On February 18 2015 03:21 FFGenerations wrote:
nice tnx
but i guess it does increase her visibility since you can be like oh look a dog cm must be here oh she is lol


Well, what he's saying is you don't actually see the dog unless you can see CM. So you'd never see just a dog.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 18:28:29
February 17 2015 18:28 GMT
#20743
On February 18 2015 03:25 DinoMight wrote:
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On February 18 2015 03:21 FFGenerations wrote:
nice tnx
but i guess it does increase her visibility since you can be like oh look a dog cm must be here oh she is lol


Well, what he's saying is you don't actually see the dog unless you can see CM. So you'd never see just a dog.


yeah but if she's out of your fog but you're scrolling the screen you might see her dog before you see her


unrelated:

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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 17 2015 18:39 GMT
#20744
On February 18 2015 02:15 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 01:40 DinoMight wrote:
On February 18 2015 01:32 FFGenerations wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:29 DinoMight wrote:
Hi all,

Quick question - how do you deal with Ursa/Juggernaut early and keep them from getting too big too fast?

There is a period right after Ursa gets his Blink Dagger that he literally just appears and kills you before you can press buttons. And at that time he usually has Aegis too.

I know this, because when I play Ursa it's exactly what I do to other people....

Noob level here, 2170 MMR.

Thanks.


blademail hero like clock maybe
slow/escape hero like qop


Eh, I'm not sure about hooking ONTO an Ursa...

Seems a bit too YOLO really. And YOLO is my middle name.

clockwork hooking into ursa sounds hilarious

i have to try that


It's a perfectly sane, logical, and incredibly effective thing to do if you also have a force staff.

Which I feel like force staffs are also usually pretty useful against Ursa. If you can force staff yourself after the blink in it generally should buy you enough time to cast a disable or at least have an ally throw one out.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 18:58:51
February 17 2015 18:50 GMT
#20745
Next question:

Trying to learn more heroes. Want to make sure I have a well rounded repertoire just in case my team needs me to play a certain role. Here's what I know right now:

Tinker, Ursa, Sniper
Clockwerk
Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon, Witch Doctor, Techies

Suggestions on who to learn next? Maybe a carry/initiator of some kind? Jungler?

EDIT-

I play very few heroes but I like to learn them very well (you know how it is trying new heroes in pubs...) so that's why I don't just random. Like to read guides / builds etc. before my first game.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 17 2015 19:31 GMT
#20746
The CM dog issue is kind of like the Tinker immortal thing. If you wanna be real tryhard about it you can get rid of the graphic for the tiny marginal effect it will have on player situational awareness. But vs. most good players it makes about zero difference.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 19:49:14
February 17 2015 19:48 GMT
#20747
what mmr are you? its better to practice 1 hero 100+ times imo, you learn a lot more that way because as you become better you start to realise more of your flaws. otherwise just try different heroes, some you'll love and some you'll find dull. lately i played some qop, lina, storm and sf mid....
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 17 2015 20:07 GMT
#20748
TA and Earthshaker are two heroes that are consistently good picks and can each be played in at least two positions. So depending on what you find yourself needing more I'd develop those next. TA is definitely at the top of my own list of next heroes to master.

Beyond that I think a little more flexibility in offlaners would be helpful. I chose Pugna when I wanted to work on this because I love burning down a safelaner's tower. Same with Jakiro. Problem with both is that in most games people will assume you're a support no matter what you say and not give you your lane and...I just don't recommend it honestly.

I am similar to you in that I like to really grind on a hero to the point that when it's time that hero is what I need for a situation I'm very strong on it. I have enough in my repertoire now there's something for me to pick I feel very confident on in pretty much any situation. But my histogram is very right-skewed: 158 games on most-played hero, 12 on 11th most-played.

My top hero is a passive-aggressive pick at this point because I can almost entirely ignore my team and still maintain my ~64% winrate on him without using my brain or giving a fuck.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
February 17 2015 20:14 GMT
#20749
I find myself playing a lot of VS when I don't know what to pick...

I think I will learn TA. Thanks!
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
February 17 2015 21:11 GMT
#20750
Both windrunner and mirana can be played any role 1-5 and can both even farm ancients if they cannot lane. Lone Druid can do 1-3 in any lane or jungle. Weaver can do 1-3 in any lane. Dark Seer can lane offlane, mid, or jungle as needed. Those are all high skill-cap heroes you can learn a lot from playing a ton of games on, and can be played and/or laned flexibly as per your team's needs.

Batrider or Magnus are pretty good initiators who can't do a whole lot else, so if you really want to improve as an initiator you can learn them. Both should be run mid or offlane, and have farming tools to get a blink dagger if you're behind.

Your list is completely lacking in carries right now, so it might be good to throw in some of them. Even if you decide you prefer support roles it's important to understand what your carry will want and expect of you, and the best way to learn that is to run the role itself. If you want to fight a lot pick a carry like Chaos Knight, Faceless Void, or maybe Wraith King. If you want to really learn split pushing tactics and farm routes pick a carry like Antimage or Morphling. If you want more of a blend between farming and fighting pick a carry like Luna, Gyro, or Spectre.

There isn't really a reason to learn a jungler just for the sake of running a jungler. Junglers can very easily make your team's lanes weak if you don't know when and how to rotate which can set your team back from the start, which can make just practicing those heroes tough.


Pick heroes that interest you-- you'll be more motivated to continue to practice them. Learn roles by either learning interesting heroes in those roles or by just mass playing every hero in one particular role.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
February 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#20751
Man, you guys are super helpful thanks.

I guess it would be helpful for me to learn a hard carry and a flexible support/semi-carry hero.

Right now I play a really stupid bunch of heroes haha.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 17 2015 22:32 GMT
#20752
Well, Ursa, Tinker, and Sniper are all carries but they have significant weaknesses in counterpicking, timing-sensitivity, or both. WR and Mirana are indeed both incredibly flexible so learning either one to a high level is a fairly economic choice, even though you have to play/itemize them very differently depending on position.

PA was my first carry/mid hybrid and I had a lot of success with her but I feel like the arcana event made a lot of players learn how to play against her more effectively. But it's still viable.

TA meanwhile is one of the game's strongest mids and a very strong mid-game carry who can be played from safelane. From position 3 down she falls off significantly (I can't imagine what the point of TA support is) so she does lose that utility vs. the Princess Rangers.
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westpfelia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States38 Posts
February 17 2015 23:47 GMT
#20753
On February 18 2015 07:32 FHDH wrote:
Well, Ursa, Tinker, and Sniper are all carries but they have significant weaknesses in counterpicking, timing-sensitivity, or both. WR and Mirana are indeed both incredibly flexible so learning either one to a high level is a fairly economic choice, even though you have to play/itemize them very differently depending on position.

PA was my first carry/mid hybrid and I had a lot of success with her but I feel like the arcana event made a lot of players learn how to play against her more effectively. But it's still viable.

TA meanwhile is one of the game's strongest mids and a very strong mid-game carry who can be played from safelane. From position 3 down she falls off significantly (I can't imagine what the point of TA support is) so she does lose that utility vs. the Princess Rangers.



But even TA has counters. I dont know if I would call her the strongest mid.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 17 2015 23:50 GMT
#20754
On February 18 2015 08:47 westpfelia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 07:32 FHDH wrote:
Well, Ursa, Tinker, and Sniper are all carries but they have significant weaknesses in counterpicking, timing-sensitivity, or both. WR and Mirana are indeed both incredibly flexible so learning either one to a high level is a fairly economic choice, even though you have to play/itemize them very differently depending on position.

PA was my first carry/mid hybrid and I had a lot of success with her but I feel like the arcana event made a lot of players learn how to play against her more effectively. But it's still viable.

TA meanwhile is one of the game's strongest mids and a very strong mid-game carry who can be played from safelane. From position 3 down she falls off significantly (I can't imagine what the point of TA support is) so she does lose that utility vs. the Princess Rangers.



But even TA has counters. I dont know if I would call her the strongest mid.

Of course. But she's certainly one of them, and less commonly countered than some others. And she matches up well with many of the meta's strong mids.
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 00:07:50
February 18 2015 00:03 GMT
#20755
I think lanaya is definitely the strongest hero right now if you just want solo mmr...like obviously there will be games where there are better picks you could make, but overall she can fight pretty much any hero in the game with decent farm, which you should have because she wins most lanes and can farm ancients from like lvl 8.

Also you can secure kills with psi blades then pause and type "IM FERRARI" in all chat, which is fun.
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
westpfelia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States38 Posts
February 18 2015 00:09 GMT
#20756
I just never see her win when she matches up against typical counters like QoP. Never ends well.
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 00:13:45
February 18 2015 00:12 GMT
#20757
You need to accept that you're going to lose a few lanes against an equally skilled opponent - namely qop, viper, and razor. this is acceptable because lanaya farms much faster than any of these heroes, and does more with her farm.
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 00:20:12
February 18 2015 00:18 GMT
#20758
On February 18 2015 09:09 westpfelia wrote:
I just never see her win when she matches up against typical counters like QoP. Never ends well.

She can disjoint every Shadow Strike until it is maxed if she wants to and plays right (and makes sure not to let a sentry sit mid uncontested).

Certainly QoP is a good matchup to make TA's life harder but she's hardly a hard counter. Shit, you have to set up a Sonic Wave kill a lot harder vs. TA than you do against most heroes.

On February 18 2015 09:12 l3loodraven wrote:
You need to accept that you're going to lose a few lanes against an equally skilled opponent - namely qop, viper, and razor. this is acceptable because lanaya farms much faster than any of these heroes, and does more with her farm.

And then there's this. So enemy picks QoP or Viper.

Then they have a QoP or Viper. Probably not as exciting as all that.

And this is all in response to what hero to add to his lineup for versatility, not what hero to play nonstop regardless of the enemy team. If you pick TA literally every game and you are good at it you're probably still going to win more with her than you would with a lot of heroes. If you're playing her more selectively she's really damn good.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 18 2015 00:50 GMT
#20759
I can't find an RSS for Dota2 patch notes as seen here http://store.steampowered.com/news/?feed=steam_updates&appids=570

Anyone? At least, Digg Reader is not finding an RSS.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 04:06:00
February 18 2015 03:35 GMT
#20760
does lina non-aghs ulti pierce jug spin? someone in the game saying it does

q2 do you just have to walk round a tree to break pugna's ulti?
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