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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
January 20 2015 11:03 GMT
#20401
On January 19 2015 17:09 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 14:57 Belisarius wrote:
Okay, is there any really good tutorial or trick or how-to or whatever for the dire chain pull?

I still fuck it up like half the time, especially with a melee support like SK.

The camps are so far apart that the window for the last small creep dying feels like no more than the last 0.5s of the big camp's leash, which is really hard to hit. Is there a secret to doing it consistently?

The only thing I've heard which helped with this is to start pulling once there is ~500 hp left on the creeps in the easy camp.


i think someone said it was bulba who said to pull at 400hp
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 20 2015 11:22 GMT
#20402
iono i just do it by assessing how much damage theyre doing. Definitly prepare yourself before, the small camp doesnt give you much gold anyway
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 20 2015 11:23 GMT
#20403
On January 20 2015 20:01 FFGenerations wrote:
is there a way to display on dotamax or dotabuff or somewhere your solo ranked games?

i can show my ranked games but it doesnt let me filter out games where im not in a party

the only way to tell is to open every game and see if my friends name is in it

I don't think Dotabuff can tell if it was solo or party?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 11:46:51
January 20 2015 11:46 GMT
#20404
also you can just stack the small camp before pulling it, does the same thing afaik, much safer, cant fuck it up unless that healing fuckwad decides to stay put
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 20 2015 11:46 GMT
#20405
dont attack the creeps when its the troll priest or he wont move
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 11:47:38
January 20 2015 11:47 GMT
#20406
what do u do then attack the priest instead? or just walk up to them
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 11:52:42
January 20 2015 11:50 GMT
#20407
You just walk up until they attack you. You can also issue an attack command and then cancel it to get aggro from slightly further away, but whatever you do don't damage anything in the camp or the healer won't leave.

And obviously you can just stack the small camp instead of chain pulling, but that's a different thing. There are plenty of times where you want the extra xp and gold from the chain, or don't have time to stack, or it's just a more efficient way to get gold out of the jungle.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
January 20 2015 12:42 GMT
#20408
On January 20 2015 20:01 FFGenerations wrote:
is there a way to display on dotamax or dotabuff or somewhere your solo ranked games?

i can show my ranked games but it doesnt let me filter out games where im not in a party

the only way to tell is to open every game and see if my friends name is in it

i went back thru my ranked games and counted how many solos i played till i got my solo goal.. dont know any better way... i shudve screenshot / saved dotabuff match link after every solo game in hindsight
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Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
January 20 2015 19:38 GMT
#20409
Anyone having issues with the US East servers? Need to know if a virus scan is needed or if it is just avlve being fucking retarded.
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 20:17:10
January 20 2015 20:10 GMT
#20410
Everyone is complaining about USE servers, it's whack. I wouldn't put it past DC/DDos hacks too. Scan your computers anyway, why not?

I've had someone download a remote trojan on my PC Through HoN and drop & attack destroy all my items. Valve well same situation w/ CSGO, anyone can pull your IP and dos/ddos/whatever you.
Mecha King Ghidorah
Profile Joined April 2014
United States595 Posts
January 20 2015 20:18 GMT
#20411
Its the servers then since I scanned my computer. Time to play superior moba I guess.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 20:27:10
January 20 2015 20:25 GMT
#20412
Found another draftmodule, is it any good? You can input the enemy picks and he gives dotabuffwinrate suggestions. Anyone ever drafted with this tool?

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 20:29:46
January 20 2015 20:27 GMT
#20413
Keep in mind that the best hero in dota has a 43% winrate on dotabuff so it's literally impossible for a draft-suggester based on dotabuff to have any relevance whatsoever.

Okay so technically yes some hero-hero interactions are somewhat indicated on dotabuff (like how ember spirit is really good vs meepo) but just ignore that shit and use ur brain.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 20 2015 20:42 GMT
#20414
Honestly, most of the time you're better off just picking a cohesive teamcomp your team can play rather than counterpicking. Individual hero interactions are only useful if they're supplementing a teamcomp that already kind of makes sense. If you have a hodgepodge of heroes that "counter" individual heroes on the enemy lineup, but make zero sense together themselves, it's still not helpful.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 15:21:48
January 21 2015 15:20 GMT
#20415
you should also consider strong heroes that can itemize and soft counter heroes as well. usually that can go hand in hand with yango's comment about picking to your team's strengths and cohesion.

On January 20 2015 20:23 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 20:01 FFGenerations wrote:
is there a way to display on dotamax or dotabuff or somewhere your solo ranked games?

i can show my ranked games but it doesnt let me filter out games where im not in a party

the only way to tell is to open every game and see if my friends name is in it

I don't think Dotabuff can tell if it was solo or party?


plus has a feature that lets you view mmr trends...I think you can get something like what op was looking for?
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
January 21 2015 15:45 GMT
#20416
Does the 500 range aggro trick apply to towers? I've been testing it a bit and it seems under certain conditions you can stand almost next to tower and still right-click the enemy hero if friendly creeps are attacking the hero as well.

I mean that makes sense, but doesn't an enemy hero issuing a right-click order override tower's attack priority from creeps to heroes?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 21 2015 16:16 GMT
#20417
On January 22 2015 00:45 Andre wrote:
Does the 500 range aggro trick apply to towers? I've been testing it a bit and it seems under certain conditions you can stand almost next to tower and still right-click the enemy hero if friendly creeps are attacking the hero as well.

I mean that makes sense, but doesn't an enemy hero issuing a right-click order override tower's attack priority from creeps to heroes?

I think tower aggro reset has a cooldown just like creeps?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
January 21 2015 16:41 GMT
#20418
Tower aggro range is longer than its attack range. This is why you trigger aggro of the tower outside of its attack range, [ but still in its vision ] then you can attack for the 2 sec aggro cd as much as you want on the hero directly under the tower if you want. ' Aggro ' can be considered to have a global cooldown for enemy creeps/towers. Nobody has cared enough to write a proper guide on this stuff as its confusing but it would help you a great deal to learn it as a player.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=288488800
That's the best one for dota 2 to explain what's technically going on if you don't believe me for some reason.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-21 16:51:08
January 21 2015 16:49 GMT
#20419
Thanks for a great reply. My question still remains though.

In the guide you linked there's these two priorities:
1.Closest enemy hero attacking a friendly hero with auto attack
2.Closest enemy creep attacking a friendly hero with auto attack

They don't seem to be true if you watch this video(ignore the point of the video, just focus on that particular moment where he attacks the sven). VIDEO

Even the guy probably gets confused, because he's waiting for the tower to switch to him lol.

I've always thought enemy hero attacking a friendly hero by rightclicking will force the tower to switch, but it's not the case. It seems the tower will only switch to the hero if he's in front of the creeps. Which in practice means you can harass people under their tower if you have range/movement speed advantage.

At least I think it's like that..
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 21 2015 18:51 GMT
#20420
On January 21 2015 05:25 govie wrote:
Found another draftmodule, is it any good? You can input the enemy picks and he gives dotabuffwinrate suggestions. Anyone ever drafted with this tool?


I only find these useful when I can't be bothered during solo queue to actually pick a hero and don't want to random and fuck my team comp. Just get ideas from that sort of thing as to what to play. I feel like that's a way better way to use them than to actually draft based on them.
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