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BOSS Guide to Storm Spirit

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BalancedBreakfast
Profile Joined May 2011
United States468 Posts
August 08 2012 20:37 GMT
#1
I had a lot of fun making this one, I hope you guys enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed making it! If you don't know what these are (which I feel like are most people), I get bored a lot when reading or watching guides so I try to make these guides that are unlike any other you've ever seen, and have it be both informative, and entertaining.

Cheers!



Previous BOSS Guides:


BOSS Guide to Razor:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347179



BOSS Guide to Leshrac:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311461


BOSS Guide to Dragon Knight:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=300603


BOSS Guide to Venomancer:
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
August 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#2
I've missed you.

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Didn't realise you released a Razor one, I've been waiting since Leshrac.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
August 08 2012 21:00 GMT
#3
Oh yeah about time
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
August 08 2012 21:01 GMT
#4
Arcane Boots = > BKB or Arcane = > Bloodstone are better builds than rushing Orchid/Linkens. Linkens is a pretty overrated item on Storm Spirit unless you're facing specific disables on an opposing team that would hurt you badly otherwise (Beastmater Roar, Batrider Lasso, etc.)


You also forgot to mention you can also utilize instant cast spells while you're zipping around in ballform which is actually a very huge deal. Not alot of people know this and thus miss out on alot of kills because of it.
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
August 08 2012 22:15 GMT
#5
Woot woot, excited to watch this one. Love these pubstomp guides
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 05:01:05
August 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#6
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

edit: I just want to re-enforce what Blitz mentioned down below that Storm breaks one of the rules of DotA that states you should always take your disable first. You'll never first blood with vortex, take remnant first to make up for Storm's sub-par base damage as well as allow you to push the lane for rune control.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
August 08 2012 22:34 GMT
#7
Lmao. Nicely done. Liked the 25%-50%-25%. Keep it up bro.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
August 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8
Enjoyable, thanks.

One note, though. Orchid is pronounced "or-kid" not "or-chid."
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
August 09 2012 00:26 GMT
#9
LOL!!!!!! hilarious
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
August 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#10
Great guide.
日本語が上手ですね
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 09 2012 00:49 GMT
#11
Mmmhm ill watch this later

Hope its better then the razor vid
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 01:27:14
August 09 2012 01:26 GMT
#12
On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

Yep, nothing snowballs harder than a bloodstone storm. But uhh, why do you never get bottle in the vid? Seriously, runes are like 95% of storms early game. DD storm = gg
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 09 2012 02:14 GMT
#13
Well, I'd say regen>DD for storm but yes, not getting a bottle is the biggest item building mistake you can make on Storm. What you get in midgame is preference based, if you don't like bloodstone then that's fine, but no mana sustain via bottle is just plain bad.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 09 2012 02:59 GMT
#14
Entertaining but there are a lot of things that are glaringly bad

-As people said, maxing remnant before overload is laughable and plain wrong.
-Bottle is an extremely core item on storm and you make no mention about it, or how he interacts with regen rune. Seeing as how your videos are tailored towards low level/ new players, you definitely should have talked about that.
-For the storm combo, you do not mention that you can get an auto attack off before you grip them. This is important because this lets you proc overload three times, which is why you max overload as it will always do more damage then remnant.
-In the teamfight section, you make a big point of making it seem like storm has to wait for the fight to start before you go in, as you demonstrate in the footage of you fighting. This is wrong, storm is one of the best heros to start fights with. Always.

People already mentioned the better items so i wont repeat it.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
August 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#15
On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.



How come I've never seen you post in dota threads before? You should if you don't that often cuz you actually have a brain.


God's build best all around storm build. Arcane->Disassemble->Brudstone
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
August 09 2012 03:43 GMT
#16
Chinese dota1 storms would max remnant before vortex, (for farming purposes) and they would prioritize bkb. But their role is different from dota1 storms, they would be optimized for big teamfights, and they would take most of the farm.
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 04:27:45
August 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#17
On August 09 2012 12:03 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.



How come I've never seen you post in dota threads before? You should if you don't that often cuz you actually have a brain.


God's build best all around storm build. Arcane->Disassemble->Brudstone

Because I haven't visited TL for about a year. I don't know why I stopped coming here, but I'm glad to be back.


On August 09 2012 12:43 igotmyown wrote:
Chinese dota1 storms would max remnant before vortex, (for farming purposes) and they would prioritize bkb. But their role is different from dota1 storms, they would be optimized for big teamfights, and they would take most of the farm.

I agree that remnant first has a place, but it's not a niche you pick Storm in. If you want a big int solo mid carry, you get someone like Krob. Using Storm as an AFK farm hero just begs the question of why you're playing Storm.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
Blitz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States706 Posts
August 09 2012 04:34 GMT
#18
Best to go remnant one, as the disable is so bad, requires almost melee range, and also slows you as well. Prefer getting remnant to farm to get a faster bottle, and to zone. As far as skill build goes, Remnant, Overload, Pull x3, ult, then maxing overload allows you to do the most damage overall. Then max remnant / ult as follows, level pull after. Need 3 levels only to do max combo. Silence stick is great if you can get it fast / need burst, but bloodstone is greedy and allows you to scale better into the late game. Your build is weak as far as bottle management goes, because if you're going to go pull first your bottle is coming at like 3 minutes...
[13:42:40] <13@mTw|syndereN|jD> Upvotes? ^_>
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 09 2012 05:02 GMT
#19
On August 09 2012 13:34 ROOTBlitz wrote:
Best to go remnant one, as the disable is so bad, requires almost melee range, and also slows you as well. Prefer getting remnant to farm to get a faster bottle, and to zone. As far as skill build goes, Remnant, Overload, Pull x3, ult, then maxing overload allows you to do the most damage overall. Then max remnant / ult as follows, level pull after. Need 3 levels only to do max combo. Silence stick is great if you can get it fast / need burst, but bloodstone is greedy and allows you to scale better into the late game. Your build is weak as far as bottle management goes, because if you're going to go pull first your bottle is coming at like 3 minutes...


I haven't watched the guide yet, but what about leaving pull at 3 and just adding stats after maxing the others?
ffxiv enjoyer
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 09 2012 05:17 GMT
#20
On August 09 2012 14:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 13:34 ROOTBlitz wrote:
Best to go remnant one, as the disable is so bad, requires almost melee range, and also slows you as well. Prefer getting remnant to farm to get a faster bottle, and to zone. As far as skill build goes, Remnant, Overload, Pull x3, ult, then maxing overload allows you to do the most damage overall. Then max remnant / ult as follows, level pull after. Need 3 levels only to do max combo. Silence stick is great if you can get it fast / need burst, but bloodstone is greedy and allows you to scale better into the late game. Your build is weak as far as bottle management goes, because if you're going to go pull first your bottle is coming at like 3 minutes...


I haven't watched the guide yet, but what about leaving pull at 3 and just adding stats after maxing the others?

Half a second of extra disable is more game changing than 38 max hp and 2 damage, I think.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
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