BOSS Guide to Storm Spirit

On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

On August 09 2012 13:34 ROOTBlitz wrote:
Best to go remnant one, as the disable is so bad, requires almost melee range, and also slows you as well. Prefer getting remnant to farm to get a faster bottle, and to zone. As far as skill build goes, Remnant, Overload, Pull x3, ult, then maxing overload allows you to do the most damage overall. Then max remnant / ult as follows, level pull after. Need 3 levels only to do max combo. Silence stick is great if you can get it fast / need burst, but bloodstone is greedy and allows you to scale better into the late game. Your build is weak as far as bottle management goes, because if you're going to go pull first your bottle is coming at like 3 minutes...

On August 09 2012 14:17 Soluhwin wrote:

Half a second of extra disable is more game changing than 38 max hp and 2 damage, I think.

On August 09 2012 13:24 Soluhwin wrote:

Because I haven't visited TL for about a year. I don't know why I stopped coming here, but I'm glad to be back.



I agree that remnant first has a place, but it's not a niche you pick Storm in. If you want a big int solo mid carry, you get someone like Krob. Using Storm as an AFK farm hero just begs the question of why you're playing Storm.

On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

edit: I just want to re-enforce what Blitz mentioned down below that Storm breaks one of the rules of DotA that states you should always take your disable first. You'll never first blood with vortex, take remnant first to make up for Storm's sub-par base damage as well as allow you to push the lane for rune control.

On August 09 2012 07:20 Soluhwin wrote:
A few things that I would change about this build: Generally, leaving Vortex at 3 until later works because it allows you to pull enemies into remnant at max range, you don't need all 4 points to do this (also, you mentioned increased levels increase cast range, which is false). Second, max overload before remnant. Just simple math on this one: Your simple combo involves 3 overload hits, so each skill point will give 60 additional magic damage and remnant only gives 40 per level. This also keeps mana costs low.

Item wise: Bloodstone is the perfect storm item. The HP allows for initiation, and the mana regen from getting kills allows you to sustain between fights in the mid/late game. You're also unlikely to lose charges if you play smart, because you can just ball lightning away from ganks. The buildup is also really nice, because the arcane disassemble trick lets you constantly gank without having to go back to base early. Arcane boots give more mana regen than max mana, so it works out really well to keep ball-lightning-ing all over the place. Going straight Orchid just leaves you too fragile for someone who must jump into the entire enemy team during fights. One last thing that's personal preference, double nulls just seem like a waste of money to me. Committing 1000 gold to something that isn't your core just throws away money you could be snowballing with, especially if it delays the aforementioned bloodstone. I usually only build one mantle at the start for sake of faster bottle anyways.

edit: I just want to re-enforce what Blitz mentioned down below that Storm breaks one of the rules of DotA that states you should always take your disable first. You'll never first blood with vortex, take remnant first to make up for Storm's sub-par base damage as well as allow you to push the lane for rune control.

On August 09 2012 11:59 FinestHour wrote:
Entertaining but there are a lot of things that are glaringly bad

-As people said, maxing remnant before overload is laughable and plain wrong.
-Bottle is an extremely core item on storm and you make no mention about it, or how he interacts with regen rune. Seeing as how your videos are tailored towards low level/ new players, you definitely should have talked about that.
-For the storm combo, you do not mention that you can get an auto attack off before you grip them. This is important because this lets you proc overload three times, which is why you max overload as it will always do more damage then remnant.
-In the teamfight section, you make a big point of making it seem like storm has to wait for the fight to start before you go in, as you demonstrate in the footage of you fighting. This is wrong, storm is one of the best heros to start fights with. Always.

People already mentioned the better items so i wont repeat it.

On September 01 2012 21:28 Silho wrote:
I have a question... which is not directly related to the video, but:

What about maxing overload before every other skill? Skill build would be something like this:
1 remnant, 2 pull, 3-5 overload, 6 ulti, 7 overload, max pull, max remnant.

I do that every game I play storm, because I find that 70 damage as opposed to 30 by every spell you cast can lead to way, waaaay more dps in early/mid game ganks.

You would, preferrably, have overload ready from one remnant you cast in your base or w/e... then you tp in, attack, ulti, attack, remnant, attack, pull, attack... thats already 360 damage only from overload... and if the target ever flees, you can ulti in ~300 range, attack, repeat if needed... every small jump from the ulti you do is another 90 magical damage and a slow.

What do you guys think about it?