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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 20 2015 15:05 GMT
#341
aghs shud be like the first major item u get on meepo lol, it increases your dmg output, your farming speed, and just makes u and ur clones better in every way
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-31 13:17:55
May 31 2015 13:11 GMT
#342
im playing some meepo today
its hard
im using these hotkeys (quickcast):

q = net
w = poof
e = tab

this lets me do the following...

with 2 meepos

qewewq (net, poof 2nd meepo, poof 1st meepo, net)

with 3 meepos

qewewewq (probably)

with blink

ewewe2qw (poof 2nd meepo, poof 3rd meepo, blink 1st meepo, net, poof 1st meepo)

with 5 meepos and blink

ewewewewe2qw

ive been struggling a lot coz my brown key keyboard is so fucking clunky i keep screwing up the buttons and not blinking etc. you really need to slam the keys hard or some wont go off and it just makes it super hard to do fast without mistake.

its also pretty hard to land the quickcast net after a quickcast blink combo but thatll probably come with practice

just throwing this out there if anyone wants to comment on the setup

im playing unranked out of courtesy but unranked low mmr is like worse than low prio . they are so bm and so shit, im just gonna mute every team member from now on otherwise i'll end up playing ranked :/
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Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-01 15:14:31
May 31 2015 13:15 GMT
#343
Aghanim first means blink comes in 3 min. I really cannot see how this is bad in any way. Sure, blink first can be good some games but aghanim first is the standard for very good reasons.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 07 2015 20:35 GMT
#344
bloodstone as a later pickup say around... lvl 20?
I feel meepo's greatest weakness is the long ass respawn time as a consequence of his absurdly high levels.

What would you think? It's basically a 5k semi aegis, and none of the stats it grants are useful at all (lul) so I'd pick it up as a 5th, 6th item. Agh/Blink/Heart(Skadi)/Ethblade first I suppose.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 20:55:04
July 07 2015 20:53 GMT
#345
is bloodstone really a good pickup for meepo ? like usually if you're meepo at a certain timing you'd just roll everybody into a victory.

If you reached to the point where you think you may die from the dieback later and need to respawn immediately i think you won't be able to close the game as meepo anyways if you reached that point.

The items are normally Aghs/blink/sheepstick/reaver(heart or skadi)/manta are the normal buildup
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 07 2015 21:04 GMT
#346
Hex is absolutely mandatory on Meepo against nearly all lineups. With aghs blink hex bots you control the entire map so effectively - that's your timing to win. Skadi Eblade Manta are all good as final items - pick 2 of 3 depending on enemy heroes.

Heart doesn't make sense on meepo because only the main one gets hp regen and agi is actually really important because oftentimes you only have a couple seconds of uninterrupted smacking to do as much damage as you can before you inevitably die. Bloodstone is like trying to stop a massive wound with a bandaid. Meepo's 5v5 lategame is so bad now relative to the farm he eats up that you just need to win the game before that or invest everything in split push to start fights on your own terms.
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Frogstomp
Profile Joined January 2013
United States125 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-07 21:57:38
July 07 2015 21:49 GMT
#347
^ Exactly that. I typically go Skadi after Hex & BoTs are complete.

I've also considered - but have not tried - a glimmer cape, and using it like a poor man's e-blade to save a clone that is being targeted.

Edit: Worthy mentions: Assault cuirass, Vlads (The aura dmg boost alone is HUGE). Ideally someone else on your team can get these, but if they don't they're also very good on the Meeps
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 07 2015 22:29 GMT
#348
actually glimmer can make some clutch plays. I will consider that!
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 15:49:12
July 08 2015 15:49 GMT
#349
Vlads if you want to solo Rosh early. Otherwise he's way too slot limited to get a casual vlads.
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
July 08 2015 16:54 GMT
#350
On July 09 2015 00:49 hariooo wrote:
Vlads if you want to solo Rosh early. Otherwise he's way too slot limited to get a casual vlads.

you don't need vlads to solo rosh with this hero
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-08 23:57:38
July 08 2015 23:56 GMT
#351
^ depends on level. with 3, 4 meeps it could still take awhile w/o vlad.

does tread give double stat bonus when you have agh?
How does it work if you get both tread and BoT? only 1 boot is equippted to clones?

just had a super tense game haha
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 09 2015 01:30 GMT
#352
Sure, not all Meepos gain all the benefits of Heart, but after paying 3200 for 25 str, the remaining 2200 gold buys 15 more str in a single item slot. It's not as efficient hp/gold as a sange, but after Aghs Blink Bots Meepo has no lack for gold, and slot efficiency matters. The "wasted" 300 hp on main Meepo isn't bad since the first Meepo is the one that has to Blink in first and could take initial damage.

Skadi is a nice end-game slot, but offers much less in one stat category than Heart or Bfly or Eblade, depending on which makes most sense. If you swear by the Hex, that leaves you with two remaining 6slots if you assume Blink remains necessary even with the hex. I like dumping gold into quick stat-slots with 2 S/Ys, then replace one with a Heart and the other with a Bfly or Eblade (not necessarily in that order).

Bfly or Eblade provide much more bang for buck on Meepo, since in addition to being an AGL hero, he gets 5x the dps increase. So AC/Vlads are wasted slots on him.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 09 2015 05:56 GMT
#353
Zero reason to get butterfly on meepo, when skadi provides just 5 less agi but with 25 strength. Evasion and attack speed is useless because your clones don't get them.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 09 2015 10:41 GMT
#354
On July 09 2015 10:30 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Sure, not all Meepos gain all the benefits of Heart, but after paying 3200 for 25 str, the remaining 2200 gold buys 15 more str in a single item slot. It's not as efficient hp/gold as a sange, but after Aghs Blink Bots Meepo has no lack for gold, and slot efficiency matters. The "wasted" 300 hp on main Meepo isn't bad since the first Meepo is the one that has to Blink in first and could take initial damage.

Skadi is a nice end-game slot, but offers much less in one stat category than Heart or Bfly or Eblade, depending on which makes most sense. If you swear by the Hex, that leaves you with two remaining 6slots if you assume Blink remains necessary even with the hex. I like dumping gold into quick stat-slots with 2 S/Ys, then replace one with a Heart and the other with a Bfly or Eblade (not necessarily in that order).

Bfly or Eblade provide much more bang for buck on Meepo, since in addition to being an AGL hero, he gets 5x the dps increase. So AC/Vlads are wasted slots on him.

Not sure if you realize that it is better to have 2 slots filled with 2 Skadis than with Butterfly and Heart. The only thing clones are getting are stats, so if you are not using some items with active ability that can make a difference like Eblade or Hex, then you end up with 50 to all stats with 2 Skadis, against 40 strength and 30 agility. The bonus that you are getting on your main Meepo is quite irrelevant.

I would somewhat understand if you want huge HP boost for all clones so you went for 2 Hearts, or if you wanted a lot of agi so you could go for 2 Eblades, but going Heart + Butterfly really doesn't make much sense.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 09 2015 11:07 GMT
#355
On July 09 2015 19:41 Ramiz1989 wrote:
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On July 09 2015 10:30 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Sure, not all Meepos gain all the benefits of Heart, but after paying 3200 for 25 str, the remaining 2200 gold buys 15 more str in a single item slot. It's not as efficient hp/gold as a sange, but after Aghs Blink Bots Meepo has no lack for gold, and slot efficiency matters. The "wasted" 300 hp on main Meepo isn't bad since the first Meepo is the one that has to Blink in first and could take initial damage.

Skadi is a nice end-game slot, but offers much less in one stat category than Heart or Bfly or Eblade, depending on which makes most sense. If you swear by the Hex, that leaves you with two remaining 6slots if you assume Blink remains necessary even with the hex. I like dumping gold into quick stat-slots with 2 S/Ys, then replace one with a Heart and the other with a Bfly or Eblade (not necessarily in that order).

Bfly or Eblade provide much more bang for buck on Meepo, since in addition to being an AGL hero, he gets 5x the dps increase. So AC/Vlads are wasted slots on him.

Not sure if you realize that it is better to have 2 slots filled with 2 Skadis than with Butterfly and Heart. The only thing clones are getting are stats, so if you are not using some items with active ability that can make a difference like Eblade or Hex, then you end up with 50 to all stats with 2 Skadis, against 40 strength and 30 agility. The bonus that you are getting on your main Meepo is quite irrelevant.

I would somewhat understand if you want huge HP boost for all clones so you went for 2 Hearts, or if you wanted a lot of agi so you could go for 2 Eblades, but going Heart + Butterfly really doesn't make much sense.


Butterfly itself makes no sense. So it's a matter of how much you value the eblade active. Otherwise, its either 2 skadi, 2 heart, or 2 eblades. I think 2 skadi is the best.
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
July 09 2015 11:50 GMT
#356
EBlade is very good at killing linken heroes with escape abilities because, obviously, you blink in, pop the shield with eb and hex the target. It's also very stats heavy. If you need a linken pop you better go eb skadi. If not either skadi manta or skadi skadi.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 09 2015 16:03 GMT
#357
Oops, I'm retarded. Maybe there's a reason my winrate isn't higher on Meepo. I for sure stand corrected.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 09 2015 16:11 GMT
#358
stacking heart is hilarious though. If all they have is some magic damage it absolutely wreks
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Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
July 10 2015 12:19 GMT
#359
stacking heart is pretty much everytime weaker than stacking skadis even vs some magic damage.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 10 2015 22:24 GMT
#360
On July 10 2015 21:19 Karpfen wrote:
stacking heart is pretty much everytime weaker than stacking skadis even vs some magic damage.

except you can yolo buy 4x reaver and leave it as that ;p
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