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Russano
United States425 Posts
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Chaosquo
Germany154 Posts
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nRoot
Germany928 Posts
obviously it doesn't mean anything but since I don't plan to get into dota really it's still nice to to play with my friend once in a while and have at least some kind of Idea wtf to do :D | ||
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DKN
United States4 Posts
Here is a question for everyone, and would love Kwarks opinion. How would you start your items and build of you had the luxary of a KOTL supplys you mana in the safe lane. We have tried a few different ways, quelling and 2 salves. Basis and tangle, then rush lifesteal. Sometimes he will start at medium camp and I will stack ez, then blast it once and let him clear. Having free mana really changes the dynamic quite a bit. Thoughts? | ||
KwarK
United States42655 Posts
On January 06 2014 04:42 DKN wrote: One of the better discussions I have read on here. Here is a question for everyone, and would love Kwarks opinion. How would you start your items and build of you had the luxary of a KOTL supplys you mana in the safe lane. We have tried a few different ways, quelling and 2 salves. Basis and tangle, then rush lifesteal. Sometimes he will start at medium camp and I will stack ez, then blast it once and let him clear. Having free mana really changes the dynamic quite a bit. Thoughts? Easy, skip sages for a ring. Same with a CM who gets passive. You should be able to never leave jungle after first suicide. ring before morbid just gives you more hp, boots first gives you more farm per second and you still need the same items. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Vlads is still roughly same timing in the end, but you're safer against harass because you're never low on hp. Also I've being working on a MoM/Armlet build using the sobi rush vs bots and seems like it would be pretty good for roaming wolf shenanigans (also unfair bots harass jungle more than pub so its good practice), once I head to a lan cafe I'm gonna try it out (no internet at home :<). Having a timing where you rush MoM with ult and then ganking mid or easy lane might be powerful, or terrible I don't know. I guess just check the lanes first to make sure they don't have dumb amounts of burst. It obviously has less overall pushing power, although you can still burst down towers pretty hard, and I like being online early and being able to help out teammates. Maybe its retarded, but its more fun.  | ||
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xSJx
Canada50 Posts
On January 05 2014 18:45 Chaosquo wrote: http://dotabuff.com/players/114188202/matches?hero=lycan&game_mode=&match_type=real http://dotabuff.com/players/133218104/matches?hero=lycan&game_mode=&match_type=real In the second link you can also see why I stopped doing BoTs Necro 3 You still have to make sure you tank the right things with the right target, such as all piercing damage with your main hero. Thanks for linking those . I definitely think the qb/stout/clarity is easier to jungle, I'm gonna stick with that until I get better at keeping my wolves alive. I'm still not sure if I like getting medallion or not. I tend to suck at remembering to use it vs heroes, but every time I skip it, I miss the mana regen. If you skip the stout shield, the armor is nice for healing faster vs creeps. Definitely helps with roshan too, ~ten seconds faster than treads from what I've seen in my limited testing. | ||
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KwarK
United States42655 Posts
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DKN
United States4 Posts
Adding recall to the toolbox of a split pushing Lycan is very powerfull. | ||
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xSJx
Canada50 Posts
On January 06 2014 05:21 KwarK wrote: Easy, skip sages for a ring. Same with a CM who gets passive. You should be able to never leave jungle after first suicide. ring before morbid just gives you more hp, boots first gives you more farm per second and you still need the same items. You think boots first helps a lot with farm? I've been doing the qb/stout/clarity start (because I'm bad and it's easier than starting basi lol) and just straight rushing vlads with no boots. I'll try getting boots earlier and see if it helps. I definitely notice mana problems without the extra 50% from medallion. I've been leaving my treads on int and that helps a bit but it's still not enough to spam as much as I'd like. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
 Its funny u can win games with lycan that seem unwinable.I do have some problems on level 1, so for now i just stay inlane+smallcamp till lvl3. Im only 2500mmr so thats gotta something to do with it. Still the more u practise microing the dogs the easier it gets. U can really win games singlehandedly with this On January 06 2014 06:02 KwarK wrote: Medallion is necessary for mana reasons alone. You can't howl the way you should when you have it at 4 without it. I can agree with this on my mmr level. I tried rosh with and without. Without mediallon u dont have enough mana for jungling efficiently and the roshattempt with boots but without mediallon didnt work out for me. | ||
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KwarK
United States42655 Posts
On January 06 2014 06:09 xSJx wrote: You think boots first helps a lot with farm? I've been doing the qb/stout/clarity start (because I'm bad and it's easier than starting basi lol) and just straight rushing vlads with no boots. I'll try getting boots earlier and see if it helps. I definitely notice mana problems without the extra 50% from medallion. I've been leaving my treads on int and that helps a bit but it's still not enough to spam as much as I'd like. Significant reduction in time spent between camps and walking from fountain in instances in which you should need to (someone comes into the jungle, bh goes missing etc). Boots matter. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2609 Posts
I bought QB with the basi and cleared enough to get an extra stout shield and a set of tangoes. In hindsight more consumables would have been better than the shield but oh well. Why didn't I go even more greedy? Because it gives you perhaps 60 seconds better rosh times which is insignificant and the ability to be near 100 % hp in jungle is a lot more important because competent opponents will try to gank you. | ||
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ncsix
1370 Posts
Lycan lane is great with the passive and quelling blade. You do really great damage at the early lvls which makes the opponents think twice about engaging, with some luck and a lot of skill get that 1st blood! With 3/0/2 lvls and basi + boots you can already start jungling and give lane experience to your team mates, although I would highly recommend getting that morbid mask asap to tank the creeps while crit wolves help out. Take the ulti at lvl 6 or 7 , because this is the lvl where everyone is itching for a fight. If a fight breaks out, the max movement speed can help you get there faster, chase down and retreat. Personally i don't see howl as important until mid-game, so i'll skill 4/0/4/1, unless its some kind of push strat. After vlads, jungling is too easy with lycan and imho prolly one of the best heros to do so. So its really important to start using your skills to take towers or kills, and then retreat into the jungle to heal up and get further ahead. the ideal item build would be (in order) quelling blade, vlads, boots, medallion... then BKB or Necrobook depending on your team strat. You still might need a BKB later even if you did get Necrobook. So i almost always prefer the straight up bkb into damage. Basher into abyssal is probably your best choice here. That leaves that one important slot for Aegis (you'll sell your Quelling blade eventually i hope). Can't think of other items that would really make an impact. Maybe AC or another damage but at this stage, the game is already won or lost. A gem pick-up would be really good on Lycan as those pesky invis heros can't outrun a big bad fking wolf. | ||
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winterymint
United States36 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 06 2014 17:25 winterymint wrote: Why bkb. The whole purpose of lycan is using your familiars to deal the damage while you bait them to chase after you. Because typically you want to split push a lot with Lycan and without a BKB you don't have the escape capability for split push. Your ridiculous mobility in wolf form means nothing if they can just chain-stun. Anyway, only just seen this discussion thing now and I like it. Lycan is one of those heroes I'm never usually that comfortable with. I'll play literally anything but I never really got a decent hold on lycan's jungling so I tended to be really slow. Going to have a play around with this when I get my computer fixed I think. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
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KwarK
United States42655 Posts
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
1) This build gets screwed hard if they ward the small camp. My small camp was warded and it delayed my rosh by nearly 3 minutes (I also had to deal with the enemy Slardar zooming around the jungle trying to annoy me). I think it would be better to do a more conservative build that is better capable of starting on the medium camp. Haven't tested any suggested in this thread yet, though. 2) Was it worth it? The enemy team didn't seem all that great and yet we almost lost. If I had just picked, say, Lifestealer, would we have won the game outright without down-to-the-wire split pushing shenanigans? | ||
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Mlcrosoft1
Croatia26 Posts
everything you need to know | ||
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