EPT[Hero] Lycan - Page 6
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
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KwarK
United States42654 Posts
On January 01 2014 07:40 RoyGBiv_13 wrote: Been following this guide for a few pubstomps. Hilariously effective when it works, but holy crap does a single observer ward screw up the jungle for lycan since he really needs that small camp until vlads is up and kicking. Nah, he doesn't. With strong micro you can go medium, medium, sage, suicide. Or even medium hard if it's satyrs or trolls. You just need practice. The small isn't essential although when you do get it it helps, especially when it's centaurs and bears everywhere. | ||
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kuruptt
Canada168 Posts
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TLWINDRUNNER
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2609 Posts
It's very easy to kill the camp with a single pull and get all the last hits and it means you get to summon completely fresh wolves for the medium camp which you can then use to kill the respawned small camp again. This leaves you at lvl 3 with one last summon of lvl 2 wolves, which you can really do work with. Should net you a ring of health (If I can get a full additional item after brown boots I prefer RoH because you get your sages mask before your mana pool runs out either way) before you suacide. Drawback is 12 seconds of wait time and the fact that your respawn takes a bit longer. Also don't forget you have a quelling blade in time for a possible pull through if your radiant, if you get the right creeps that don't die instantly and require babysitting for lasthitting it's pretty easy. Edit: Why do mudgolems seem to be total dicks when it comes to retargeting? | ||
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Liebig
France738 Posts
On January 01 2014 16:02 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: KwarK have you considered pulling the small camp the second time you kill it (pull at 2:12) instead of summoning new wolves? Isn't the second time you kill it just after the respawn at 1 minute ? And pulling messes up the lane control unless you double pull, the support already hates you for taking the easy camp, why be more of a dick ? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2609 Posts
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energeticx
25 Posts
On January 01 2014 11:22 kuruptt wrote: Why not just play furion if you want to play by yourself? hero is 100X better then this hero in almost every way. I think the summons, relative tankiness and the maneuverability of lycan mean that it's much easier to split push than NP who gets quite outdone by sentries if he's relying on shadow blade. But both are great. | ||
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Scalepad
Sweden366 Posts
On January 01 2014 11:22 kuruptt wrote: Why not just play furion if you want to play by yourself? hero is 100X better then this hero in almost every way. Can Furion turn into a wolf? No, he cannot. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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KwarK
United States42654 Posts
On January 02 2014 01:44 rei wrote: i can't kill the small camp before 1:00 respawn. focus fire and move dogs back when they get low doesn't do the trick. give me a video show me how you do it. You have a basilius? | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
ya strictly following your builds. It's very good, i feel the power of big bad wolf every game i play even when my team was down 1-13 at one point i bought them back from the certain defeat. check replay http://dotabuff.com/matches/450078753 | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 02 2014 01:44 rei wrote: i can't kill the small camp before 1:00 respawn. focus fire and move dogs back when they get low doesn't do the trick. give me a video show me how you do it. Don't move the dogs to redirect aggro. A-click Lycan to redirect aggro the same way you de-aggro creeps in lane. Moving the dogs wastes time and loses damage. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:56 TheYango wrote: Don't move the dogs to redirect aggro. A-click Lycan to redirect aggro the same way you de-aggro creeps in lane. Moving the dogs wastes time and loses damage. oh shit, didn't realize i can do that, thanks! ganna be A clicking the lycan with dogs to max the dps | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2609 Posts
There are 3 scenarios (There could be 4 I have not done this with dire pulling the hard camp). A) The "classic". The benefits are that this is the fastest method. I find it's much easier to screw up, particularly if you get a hard second camp (god damn ogre maulers) or consecutive hard camps. Typically I finished respawning around 3.00 with boots and 1 extra gg branch which was how I measured success. B) The single pull. You pull at approx 1.12. The benefits is that the single pull is a lot more fool proof than the classic version. It's much easier to simply last hit the creeps as they die to your wave, you don't have any wolves to micro and you have fresh wolves and almost full hp when you go to the medium camp and if they happen to die you soon have your second resummon. The negative aspect is that it takes quite a bit longer, you respawn at around 3.30-3.40. It will also fuck lane equilibrium. I finished with an average of boots and 4 gg branches with extremly poor michael skillz. C) The double pull (radiant). You pull at approx 1.12 and then cut a tree to pull the medium camp and pull that as the final creep is about to die. The benefits are similar that you don't need to summon wolves for the small camp. If it's an easy medium camp you don't have to summon wolves here either (which us huge since it gives you 2 lvl 2 wolf summons) but even if you have to summon 1 set of wolves you come out of it with almost full HP, fresh wolves and another resummon. This allows you to fairly easily kill a easier large stack (satyrs, wildkin) or at the very least another medium camp and an easy camp. The negative aspects are that you will on average lose 1 small creep gold bounty because you can't get to it in time while doing the pull. I didn't do this many times but I finished with average boots and 6 gg branches (this is a RoH or your sages mask. Respawned at about 3.45 so it's not that much slower than the single pull either. Edit: I should also say that this guide is perfectly optimized so it's not particularly game changing if you can get that extra item or not. While playing it out to rosh even good runs only gives you a minute of better time or so. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
Particularly on dire, starting with the mediums just seems safer and less dickish. It is slower - you often need to spend about 150-250g on regen that this build doesn't - but to me it's worth it. Really, the delay should translate into less than 30 seconds on your rosh, and I'd take that gladly if it meant the enemy offlaner could be zoned and underlevelled, and your mid/offlane did better because they got their items delivered on time. | ||
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winterymint
United States36 Posts
1) medium camp 2) check if they warded, if not. Pull small and make sure you chain it. 3) check rune, ask if mid wants it or not otherwise take it. 4) several more mediums until you are lvl 5. Push mid. | ||
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KwarK
United States42654 Posts
On January 02 2014 11:32 winterymint wrote: The ideal all around jungle strategy: 1) medium camp 2) check if they warded, if not. Pull small and make sure you chain it. 3) check rune, ask if mid wants it or not otherwise take it. 4) several more mediums until you are lvl 5. Push mid. Push mid on low hp with low hp wolves and no ability to resummon them, or indeed survive vs something like a Puck, QoP, SF, Storm, Kunkka, Pudge or pretty much any other common mid hero? Good plan sir. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
That is what i do when im lycan on radiant side | ||
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