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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
June 15 2015 20:29 GMT
#41
thought 1-4-4-1 was the standard zeus build. value point chain lightning for last hitting and residual dmg thx to lightning rod, and max bolt for that burst
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
June 15 2015 20:50 GMT
#42
i think i saw someone go 2-1-2-1 into max thunderbolt 2-4-2-1 on stream but i cant remember who. nor do i know the reasoning.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 15 2015 21:27 GMT
#43
These days u see a lot of extra points in chain lightning for farming purposes since people build bloodstone and use chain lightning to flash farm waves and the jungle
so you see either 1-4-1-1 or 2-4-0-1 (depending on if u need 2 levels in q to cs reliably) into 4-4-1-2 at 11
unless ur that retard pub on my team who went 4-1-4-2 but we'll just pretend that guy doesn't exist.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
June 16 2015 01:45 GMT
#44
I think 2 in chain 3 shots ranged creeps early on.
Stuck.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
June 16 2015 05:06 GMT
#45
im sure 4-4-1 is the best overall build
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
June 16 2015 05:10 GMT
#46
On June 16 2015 14:06 ChunderBoy wrote:
im sure 4-4-1 is the best overall build


trolling?
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
June 16 2015 05:19 GMT
#47
On June 16 2015 14:10 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 14:06 ChunderBoy wrote:
im sure 4-4-1 is the best overall build


trolling?


Unless he means 4-4-1-0 at 9 (he doesn't), I really don't see how he could be trolling.

4-4-1 lets you farm jungle stacks extremely quickly and efficiently. Something that 1-4-4 doesn't let you do.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 11:23:41
June 16 2015 10:04 GMT
#48
1-4-1-1 into 4-4-1-1
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
June 16 2015 10:37 GMT
#49
On June 16 2015 14:10 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 14:06 ChunderBoy wrote:
im sure 4-4-1 is the best overall build


trolling?

It has been for a long time.IIRC since they fixed the dota1 bug that didn't allow 2 chain lightnings to be up at the same time.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
June 16 2015 11:16 GMT
#50
i guess ultimately at early levels maxing static field for extra dmg taken from their current hp doesn't compare to the dmg from arc lightning and being able to farm with arc lightning

like sn0 said there are a lot of people getting bloodstone on the hero so its definitely the better farming build

(jisira and I prefer bloodstone -> blink -> octarine)
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
June 16 2015 14:56 GMT
#51
Definite max chain it's such a good farming spell. stack camps, pull camp to other camp, lightninglightninglighning

pretty sure it's the only viable build for mid. it's technically more dps than bolt if you get to use it off cd (not necessarily but it still means it's a lot of damage to leave on the table for a 144 build)
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
June 16 2015 18:04 GMT
#52
mana cost for a 4-4 build is insane, and also your bolt is technically weaker with less static field.

I play a lot of Zeus at around 4.5k MMR, so maybe I really should try the 4-4 build instead.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
June 16 2015 18:59 GMT
#53
Yeah that's why you need the bloodstone.
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
June 17 2015 09:28 GMT
#54
Yeah, the point really isn't to spam your spells on CD for kills, although you certainly can if you're at full mana (this is before bloodstone). It's more for the farming capability in jungle and big creep waves to get you to that bloodstone/first item.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
December 17 2015 19:16 GMT
#55
Hey guys!

New model and Arcana hype!

Aether Lens is really good on him, he relies on spamming Q and going in for a W in fights, and the additional range allows him to stay really safe.
You may say it's not needed, but don't forget those 8% bonus damage... another reason to pick it up
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gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
December 17 2015 23:58 GMT
#56
8% spell damage, hmmmm.

I cant really tell how impactful that is for the cost of the item, but if you factor in the extra range etc it might be worth the cost. Question is where the item fits in to the rest of the standard bloodstone blink euls etc. Its probably good.

Also I dont think it increases the damage of static field, maybe im wrong
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
December 18 2015 07:45 GMT
#57
Lens should be really good on Zeus especially, because he spams so many spells during a fight, so the extra mana is nice and the 8% dmg increase starts adding up over longer engagements, significantly increasing the damage output. The extra range, HP regen and +15% magic resistance are also very good on him for sure, he's so slow and squishy. I think in mid you could build something like bottle > arcane > soul ring > force staff/euls > aether lens instead of the traditional bloodstone rush.
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TyrionSC2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States411 Posts
December 18 2015 09:02 GMT
#58
I've done a few games going bloodstone - blink - bots aether lens - euls - refresher/octarine
It seems pretty good so far. Hopefully fata shows us how to use it soon,,
SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 12:39:42
December 18 2015 11:19 GMT
#59
Im starting with fast Veil, you miss the entire point if you thing any other item gives more power, this item is with the easiest build up and gives 18 Int + 25% dmg amp for 2300 gold!
People call me Jack, OMASJack
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
March 03 2016 18:55 GMT
#60
This hero seems pretty good right now because he can salvage lane match ups mid like invoker or od. You just both farm, and build Zeus for mid game snowballing and try to win from that.

I like 2-0-1 -> 2-4-1-1, then 4-4-1

I think you need to play him as a mid game monster, with item choices to maximize that. Soul ring, wand, arcanes, 1 mobility item (blink or force or euls occasionally) and veil. Lens upgrade in here somewhere. Then bloodstone. Then whatever.

If you get rolling with 4-4-1-1, and you get veil up quickly, you can't lose team fights mid game unless you are picked. Veil gives you enough int to throw shit around, and the other stats are good bonuses, especially armor.

I don't agree with the standard Zeus builds I see -- mostly bloodstone rushes, or weird octarine focused builds. Zeus is such a monster mid game that it's a waste building him any other way imo.

Late game you can do whatever, doesn't really matter
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