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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 19 2017 11:50 GMT
#301
Please no...

I think NP are favourites but they could easily fail.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44108 Posts
June 19 2017 13:01 GMT
#302
NP and Odd has the highest chance to make it through the qualifiers but i'd say they could easily flop out as well. Gotta remember that it's a qualifier where they're playing against teams they play alot against(possibly common scrim partners as well) so anything can happen
this is a quote
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
June 21 2017 17:43 GMT
#303
np + odd would be perfect.
I would love to see misery get to a valve event again.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44108 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-04 20:20:06
July 04 2017 20:19 GMT
#304


now we have Freedom's captain as couch too .. not only bone7
this is a quote
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 04 2017 20:21 GMT
#305
I guess they had to announce that before envy revealed that they had a coach in his blog complaining that valve will only pay for 6 people per team to attend TI when NP have coach + manager + 5 players
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-04 20:30:05
July 04 2017 20:24 GMT
#306
On July 05 2017 05:19 goody153 wrote:
https://twitter.com/NPDotA/status/882332336238600192

now we have Freedom's captain as couch too .. not only bone7


I don't think B7 has coached since DAC
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2017 18:45 GMT
#307
Stan King's a solid player, I look forward to seeing him coach our boys in blue to a TI victory!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 16 2017 22:30 GMT
#308
Any reason Envy has been playing Bat recently?

Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
AbareKiller
Profile Joined May 2014
456 Posts
July 17 2017 03:31 GMT
#309
LC as well. I'm guessing they want to increase their pick flexibility. It let them first phase Bat/LC without locking MSS hero's in, like how they were playing that weird support bat in Manila.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44108 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-17 06:03:19
July 17 2017 06:00 GMT
#310
On July 17 2017 07:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any reason Envy has been playing Bat recently?

Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it.

Envy can play the space create dude just not as good as his standard splitpush/farm/timing

but yeah it's more for draft flexibility possibly

for example envy has been playing LC which gives them a team specific first pick material since it could go offlane or safelane

like abarekiller said it's even better with bat assuming he gets it right since bat can be played on 4/1/3

they already have razor as a 1/2 pos draft or their puck(2/3) and bb(1/2/3)
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-17 09:34:25
July 17 2017 09:32 GMT
#311
LC/Bat switch to the safelane might be for Brood strats. NP has never really picked it so it doesn't get banned against them from what I recall, and if they show LC/Bat early teams are likely to just assume it is for MSS. Also there's probably some cases where you could run LC safelane as a part of some pretty fast paced push strat where your mid is the carry. Situations where the Bat switch would happen seem pretty rare to me, in most cases it'll be played by MSS/Aui
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#312
Yeah, makes sense. Something like jungle Ench for lane disruption and non-carry damage, two strong solo laners (maybe LC, Tide, Brood, Bat, Bristle?) who ate ok without support, and dual lane mid (maybe MK, Sky, Ogre, ES with SF, Storm, Huskar, Sniper?) to get carry mid a good start into strong snowball could work.

I still think that you want a Meepo trump card if at all possible so hopefully they are working on that too. You only need about 15 games to win TI and an unexpected Meepo against a good draft can be practically a freebie and leads to draft advantage every game afterwards as people have to stress about it.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
July 17 2017 12:05 GMT
#313
On July 17 2017 15:00 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 07:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any reason Envy has been playing Bat recently?

Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it.

Envy can play the space create dude just not as good as his standard splitpush/farm/timing

but yeah it's more for draft flexibility possibly

for example envy has been playing LC which gives them a team specific first pick material since it could go offlane or safelane

like abarekiller said it's even better with bat assuming he gets it right since bat can be played on 4/1/3

they already have razor as a 1/2 pos draft or their puck(2/3) and bb(1/2/3)

Pos 1 bat here would be mid? Mid is so important that some people consider it pos. 1 and others don't so sometimes it's confusing.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44108 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-17 14:12:48
July 17 2017 14:05 GMT
#314
On July 17 2017 21:05 Pontual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2017 15:00 goody153 wrote:
On July 17 2017 07:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Any reason Envy has been playing Bat recently?

Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it.

Envy can play the space create dude just not as good as his standard splitpush/farm/timing

but yeah it's more for draft flexibility possibly

for example envy has been playing LC which gives them a team specific first pick material since it could go offlane or safelane

like abarekiller said it's even better with bat assuming he gets it right since bat can be played on 4/1/3

they already have razor as a 1/2 pos draft or their puck(2/3) and bb(1/2/3)

Pos 1 bat here would be mid? Mid is so important that some people consider it pos. 1 and others don't so sometimes it's confusing.

It's really just a laneswitch if bat ends up mid and fata still plays the DPS/midgame hero no problem just starts in the safelane. Or the bat is played safelane.

It's not impossible if the draft ends up with a LC + farming mid though EE is probably playing the LC and MSS the bat but it's a nice option.

On July 17 2017 20:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Yeah, makes sense. Something like jungle Ench for lane disruption and non-carry damage, two strong solo laners (maybe LC, Tide, Brood, Bat, Bristle?) who ate ok without support, and dual lane mid (maybe MK, Sky, Ogre, ES with SF, Storm, Huskar, Sniper?) to get carry mid a good start into strong snowball could work.

I still think that you want a Meepo trump card if at all possible so hopefully they are working on that too. You only need about 15 games to win TI and an unexpected Meepo against a good draft can be practically a freebie and leads to draft advantage every game afterwards as people have to stress about it.


Meepo is no longer that surprising anymore, it's weird power spike doesn't get people dumbfounded how to respond anymore. I'd say a huskar memepush would work just as well.
this is a quote
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-17 16:43:48
July 17 2017 16:43 GMT
#315
There are definitely still times when a Meepo 5th pick is close to an auto-win.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44108 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 06:27:02
July 18 2017 06:26 GMT
#316
On July 18 2017 01:43 FuzzyJAM wrote:
There are definitely still times when a Meepo 5th pick is close to an auto-win.

i honestly rather wish NP had a storm player(neither envy and fata are great storm players OR just storm players)

the hero is such an easy 5th pick outdraft
this is a quote
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 18 2017 10:11 GMT
#317
That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
July 18 2017 17:40 GMT
#318
On July 18 2017 19:11 FuzzyJAM wrote:
That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though.


EE has the problem on storm of going full hero mode. He will jump into 5 thinking he can get out and make big plays... and then it throws the game.

Storm is a weird hero where you can do so many cool things, but you can fuck up bad so easily
Something witty
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
July 18 2017 17:45 GMT
#319
On July 18 2017 19:11 FuzzyJAM wrote:
That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though.


Can't be worse than Bone7 storm?
Envy fan since NTH.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
July 18 2017 18:52 GMT
#320
EE's Storm wasn't very effective with the previous NP iteration. Can't recall how the games were exactly and whether the drafts made sense around it, but anyway the results weren't great. They've picked Fata Storm once and it went well. Though it isn't a common hero for Fata by any means but I think they are willing to pick it if needed, such as in that game against Tinker.
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