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can't wait for flair | ||
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Kraznaya
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midgame has been very shaky considering the caliber of competition they're playing infamous tomorrow should be a decent series | ||
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We'll see if they are contested or behind if they can still pull off standard stuff. | ||
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fdl stepped it up in game 5 though | ||
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On October 02 2016 16:43 nVme wrote: no chance this team makes ti if they do i will buy a ticket to attend the next TI and cheer them till they get eliminated | ||
broodbucket
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Hopefully some time to practice has made them a bit more consistent, I still don't doubt their potential ![]() | ||
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broodbucket
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it's gonna be sad if NP are denied another LAN because they lose a finals to a team they should be way better than | ||
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Spirit of c9 lives on | ||
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I'm less concern about the talent and more so the LAN pressure. Aui/EE have won enough big LANs that it's no big deal for them but the other 3 really haven't had as much big stage experience | ||
the bear jew
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On October 20 2016 08:21 hariooo wrote: when's the last time MSS/SVG/1437 were at a lan? I'm less concern about the talent and more so the LAN pressure. Aui/EE have won enough big LANs that it's no big deal for them but the other 3 really haven't had as much big stage experience I don't think SVG was ever at a LAN. | ||
bagels21
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He was at the Frankfurt major Mss/1437/SVG were all on c9 | ||
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the bear jew
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On October 22 2016 06:40 common_cider wrote: They should be allowed to plan in Brazil Lan from home. This is BS What happened? | ||
spudde123
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But not sure if they even wanted to go after the major dates got announced. The quals are already next week and they wouldn't be playing with their own team at WESG if they were to play it. | ||
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Sabu113
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On October 22 2016 08:57 Laertes wrote: We honestly deserve it for spying on them the way we did. Just another casualty of the Snowden shitstorm(not that it was a bad thing). Relations should smooth in less than one hundred years. Edit: 3154 memes anyone? Meh. Usual south american it was the great evil Americans to distract from problems of local creation. | ||
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On October 25 2016 13:16 Sn0_Man wrote: Leave US politics in the US politics discussion thread. as if what's being talked about concerns only the United States its funny that the naga flair guy said that the problems are from local creation when it's official that the US helped install a multitude of dictatorships in South America User was warned for this post | ||
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LemOn
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Really happy for EE, he's at a major and Puppey isn't :O | ||
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On October 31 2016 08:10 LemOn wrote: TOP3 NA confirmed Really happy for EE, he's at a major and Puppey isn't :O Justice perhaps. They seem pretty strong throughout, let's see how they perform in the actual majors. | ||
FuzzyJAM
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On October 31 2016 15:57 TurboNash wrote: Oh wow they made it to Boston Major. I couldn't believe it. I thought EE+ friends gonna disappoint fans as usual. I mean it's the Americas qualifier... Doesn't mean anything when the only two really good teams in the region are directly invited. But because I'm a foolish optimist I think they might do pretty well at Boston. | ||
spudde123
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Also tfw goody is posting with an EG flair | ||
goody153
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Also tfw goody is posting with an EG flair dude i like rtz and there's no NP flair it's pretty ez decision xD On October 31 2016 15:57 TurboNash wrote: Oh wow they made it to Boston Major. I couldn't believe it. I thought EE+ friends gonna disappoint fans as usual. i wouldn't be surprised if they perform just averagely(honestly this is what i expect below or average performance but hey it's gonna be glorious if they exceed expectations ) though they look well-oiled as of the moment | ||
Piledriver
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On November 01 2016 00:41 goody153 wrote: dude i like rtz and there's no NP flair it's pretty ez decision xD i wouldn't be surprised if they perform just averagely to be honest though they look well-oiled as of the moment I wonder how valve is going to do the seeding. Single elim BO3 is an absolutely horrible format, and even a legit top 4 team can pretty much lose in the first round if they get an unfavorable seeding. For example if Team Faceless get seeded as 14 and EG is seeded as 3 due to their TI standing, then there is a very real chance that Faceless gets eliminated in the first round due to facing EG. Assuming NP gets seeded in the bottom 4 due to being NA qualifiers, there is a very real possibility that they could be eliminated in the first round by someone like Wings/EG. | ||
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On November 01 2016 00:51 Piledriver wrote: I wonder how valve is going to do the seeding. Single elim BO3 is an absolutely horrible format, and even a legit top 4 team can pretty much lose in the first round if they get an unfavorable seeding. For example if Team Faceless get seeded as 14 and EG is seeded as 3 due to their TI standing, then there is a very real chance that Faceless gets eliminated in the first round due to facing EG. Assuming NP gets seeded in the bottom 4 due to being NA qualifiers, there is a very real possibility that they could be eliminated in the first round by someone like Wings/EG. There will be a group stage. text from the official announcement: Seeding for the Main Event bracket will be determined by the results of Group Stage play on December 3 – 4. So it's not Valve choosing the seeds. | ||
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On November 01 2016 19:21 goody153 wrote: pretty sure NP's gonna get smashed by DC and EG lol ok maybe there's a chance against DC we don't know how good they are since the last game they played was TI6 but NP likely gonna get destroyed by either team NP is going to win 100%. Where is your faith? | ||
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On November 02 2016 06:54 FuzzyJAM wrote: NP is going to win 100%. Where is your faith? Goody pretends to be a pessimist so that he can always be pleasantly surprised. The worst days was the pre-TI5 c9. I hated rooting for them and they might have been harder to cheer for than secret 4.5 lol. | ||
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On November 02 2016 10:12 Laertes wrote: NP rolls over DC. I for one am pissed that they decided to add an N to Moo. Edit: They're just out of practice. Give them 2 months and they'll be competitive, I guarantee it. I think they're at a particularly low point now given they're out of practice but I also don't think they'll have another run as good as TI6. My guess is that they'll be around top 8 in the world and could potentially be outperformed by NP at some point. | ||
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On November 02 2016 06:54 FuzzyJAM wrote: NP is going to win 100%. Where is your faith? On November 02 2016 07:16 bagels21 wrote: Goody pretends to be a pessimist so that he can always be pleasantly surprised. The worst days was the pre-TI5 c9. I hated rooting for them and they might have been harder to cheer for than secret 4.5 lol. Nah dude i really don't have high faith in them right now it's like i expected them to win against random NA teams but not against the best ones or the best or EU/CN/SEA. Maybe later on after some more proven victories over tougher opponents. We'll see oh hey they won against DC just checked the results good stuff. i'd attribute it to NP being well-oiled by previous confidence boosting victories and scrimming/official while DC haven't played a single official and probably haven't practiced that much. | ||
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On November 08 2016 08:06 hunter_x wrote: They only played na teams so far, no need to commend them as of yet. I mean come on, everyone can beat col or fdl, or some peruvian team. When they also do well against eu, sea and china, that would be a diffrent story. We will see though. they are holding their own against EG, I think that's commendable... | ||
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On November 11 2016 06:39 Laertes wrote: Did they beat Ad Finem? Affirmative note how liquipedia has up-to-date results and the op of the tournament thread has a liquipedia embed | ||
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Also, we finally got our NP flairs :D | ||
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On November 11 2016 08:54 Laertes wrote: They're the best team in Europe. This is vastly inaccurate On November 11 2016 08:54 Laertes wrote: So I guess Europe is trash tier suddenly. this is less so | ||
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On November 11 2016 09:32 Sn0_Man wrote: This is vastly inaccurate this is less so Yeah OG or VP prolly ? | ||
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On November 11 2016 08:54 Laertes wrote: They're the best team in Europe. So I guess Europe is trash tier suddenly. best team in europe is virtus pro | ||
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On November 14 2016 01:16 goody153 wrote: i know they already did better than expected and i'm reasonably certain that wings is gonna dumpster them but just like MSS said "i hope that envy got some shit figured out" for the finals lol They're probably gonna lose but i wouldnt bet on them being dumpstered like they were in their first games against Wings | ||
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On November 14 2016 01:20 Alpino wrote: They're probably gonna lose but i wouldnt bet on them being dumpstered like they were in their first games against Wings yeah dumpster might be a too strong word maybe win a really tough game at least once then get stomped on the rest edit: alright lol | ||
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hunter_x
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Honestly wings is just too good, dont think anyone else would have beat them. | ||
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broodbucket
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NP for top 8 major woo | ||
goody153
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lol | ||
FuzzyJAM
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Envy - Roshan Aui - Ancients MSS - Cake | ||
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goody153
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there's a good chance that they will at least get to semi's then probably lose to newbee (or you know they completely flop out so we'll see) | ||
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On December 06 2016 00:32 goody153 wrote: NP got a good history against ehome (it would be a really shitty time to suddenly lose that streak against them) there's a good chance that they will at least get to semi's then probably lose to newbee (or you know they completely flop out so we'll see) honestly they got the best possible draw (they have a great record against DC too). have faith goody | ||
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Good chance against DC too I think. | ||
goody153
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ok so i guess there might be a chance they'll get to the grand finals | ||
Sabu113
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but it's a good bracket to go full c9. | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:03 Sabu113 wrote: So uh major disappointment ? idk what others thought, but most didn't expect NP to do that well. Top 8 is fine with me given how recently this team was formed. Really shitty way to go out, but DC is a quality team | ||
LemOn
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On December 10 2016 08:03 Sabu113 wrote: So uh major disappointment ? Huh? Top8 seems solid to me from the worst region, leaving great teams behind, Liquid wasn't even thwre- DC is on fire since they stopped being lazy fucks ![]() | ||
goody153
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DC is a good team so it;s w/e | ||
spudde123
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In general imo 5th-8th placing is a pretty good and realistic finish, higher than that would have required them to rise to the occasion. And if they got more unlucky with the bracket on round 1 they could have been in trouble. But I think the way they lost the series they did lose was a bit disappointing for them. | ||
broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
Really really really hoping they don't make roster changes. If NP.BuLba is a thing I'm finding a new team to support lol | ||
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Bone-chan Interview | ||
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On February 02 2017 15:30 uwahwah89 wrote: What happen if NP vs Col ended up 1-1 ? Tiebreaker between DC and NP cause they both will have the same score(also having the same position)and there's only one slot so NP has to 2-0 coL | ||
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On February 05 2017 06:28 The Binary Son wrote: QUESTION: Why did 1437 change his name to Rose? Is it a reference or something? Any help would be appreciated. I'm just curious what it means. prolly because of his new hair ? idk | ||
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On February 05 2017 06:28 The Binary Son wrote: QUESTION: Why did 1437 change his name to Rose? Is it a reference or something? Any help would be appreciated. I'm just curious what it means. They did a interview with him at some tournament, cant remember which one. I think he said he just liked how the name sounds. Edit: found it | ||
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On February 05 2017 10:49 hunter_x wrote: They did a interview with him at some tournament, cant remember which one. I think he said he just liked how the name sounds. Edit: found it https://youtu.be/1oeJ0YBSyYI cool - thanks! | ||
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On February 14 2017 23:48 FuzzyJAM wrote: How does everyone feel about the team right now? I feel they're fairly stable (surprisingly) but I don't know how much room there is for growth or shock results. They're a good team, I just don't see them ever winning a serious tournament. I think there is a hard ceiling because Envy's mid is not as good as his carry, and none of the players are actual superstar material like Arteezy, Zai or Miracle (though you can make a case for Aui as a TI winner, it was in a different role). Their drafting is what defines their games overall because they don't have the firepower to beat better teams when/if the drafting phase doesnt go well for them. I don't really think Envy is a PPD level drafter to be able to out draft tier 1 captains it in a consistent fashion. However they can definitely make a deep run in tournaments, especially if they get a few good drafts in the crucial matches. | ||
Sn0_Man
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I'm of the opinion that while their early game is a bit hit-or-miss (partially due to draft), their ability to play the mid and late game is very consistent and strong compared to the opposition they've seen in NA. How that holds up on the international stage isn't entirely clear but with the right drafts I see no reason for them not to make serious runs in tournaments. With the wrong drafts, they seem to get steamrolled early and/or play the game into an endgame they cannot win On February 15 2017 00:46 Piledriver wrote: I think there is a hard ceiling because [...] If AF can come second at a major i'm not worried | ||
spudde123
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The win against DC was a good start and maybe one could say that they looked a bit more convincing in their recent quals than they did in the past, but we'll see how it goes against different teams on LAN. Inb4 b7 follows the team to the stage at Kiev and NP picks LC Pugna Undying Bloodseeker | ||
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apparently bone7 still stuck in romania On February 15 2017 07:51 FuzzyJAM wrote: Support Tinker. Never forget. That was pie draft man | ||
Piledriver
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Hot tub interview. | ||
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SA qualifiers could indeed be super weird. | ||
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NP should be much better than the opposition but yesterday looked quite shaky vs Freedom and just some bad losses to coL | ||
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On March 18 2017 16:13 Sabu113 wrote: NP not going to Kiev? got rekt by coL and onyx at the playoffs bad timing for them to play not good enough as usual for NA quals | ||
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On March 18 2017 16:13 Sabu113 wrote: NP not going to Kiev? No Participation. + Show Spoiler + Not Playing. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Neglected Practise. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Scientists baffled. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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It's still incredibly disappointing that they couldn't even take a game off of newbee to finish top 2, which would have been the equivalent of AT LEAST winning 2 full series plus given them a cushion to lose one. | ||
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On March 30 2017 00:06 Sn0_Man wrote: No Bo1s actually. Every match in the LB is Bo3. It's still incredibly disappointing that they couldn't even take a game off of newbee to finish top 2, which would have been the equivalent of AT LEAST winning 2 full series plus given them a cushion to lose one. PGL guy on reddit said bo1. | ||
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On April 01 2017 22:16 the bear jew wrote: Damn, one game from being in Upper Bracket into last place finish. ![]() damn sccc ember, we held our heads high though we played good dota im proud | ||
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Rose+SVG kicked | ||
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jack_knife
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On April 07 2017 08:22 hunter_x wrote: Envy should kick himself, before he lets SVG go. That guy is the best player in the team (together with mss). What about this "im gonna have a team with good friends" bullshit? What a fraud... lmao, we got global shit talker here. Thought you only troll in Alliance's Thread. And i think even Envy does some random shit, he is still better than kky now. (as a player or as a captain) | ||
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I guess that crushing exit from DAC will be the interlude. | ||
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On April 07 2017 20:36 jack_knife wrote: lmao, we got global shit talker here. Thought you only troll in Alliance's Thread. And i think even Envy does some random shit, he is still better than kky now. (as a player or as a captain) sometimes its really hard, i have to remind myself to not feed the troll... i really think that svg is together with mss the best player of np. envy does so much stupid and random shit, it costs np games. Not always but often when it counts. envy better then kky as a player and captain? thats like saying loda is not bald, just because hes wearing his cap... | ||
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On April 07 2017 20:36 jack_knife wrote: lmao, we got global shit talker here. Thought you only troll in Alliance's Thread. And i think even Envy does some random shit, he is still better than kky now. (as a player or as a captain) lol | ||
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Not many teams left that survive on the power of friendship. | ||
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On April 08 2017 07:21 hunter_x wrote: sometimes its really hard, i have to remind myself to not feed the troll... i really think that svg is together with mss the best player of np. envy does so much stupid and random shit, it costs np games. Not always but often when it counts. envy better then kky as a player and captain? thats like saying loda is not bald, just because hes wearing his cap... because am not big fan of loda, so u can say whatever you want about his hair. EE indeed do some random shit, but he still has that level, he still won a major without a 9k stack team, he still qualified dac over col and dc with a tier2 team. kky won 2 premier events after he killed team secret. hit and miss (play and ban/pick) in every tournament. his prime time was a about ages ago. you can keep saying kky is the best player, dreaming about this 9k stack team winning a major. but i bet there will be another role change after kiev or before TI. i don't think when miracle can play like this(60% of his best) in every tournament. | ||
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On April 09 2017 03:05 jack_knife wrote: because am not big fan of loda, so u can say whatever you want about his hair. EE indeed do some random shit, but he still has that level, he still won a major without a 9k stack team, he still qualified dac over col and dc with a tier2 team. kky won 2 premier events after he killed team secret. hit and miss (play and ban/pick) in every tournament. his prime time was a about ages ago. you can keep saying kky is the best player, dreaming about this 9k stack team winning a major. but i bet there will be another role change after kiev or before TI. i don't think when miracle can play like this(60% of his best) in every tournament. lol, i need to stop replying to you. You really have some mental issues... | ||
jack_knife
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On April 09 2017 03:21 hunter_x wrote: lol, i need to stop replying to you. You really have some mental issues... so , you are mad again xD, mad cuz i said the truth. i thought every shit talker has strong mentality. | ||
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I would think envy carry, mss mid, bone7 offlane would be pretty neat core. But who else to play support? | ||
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As for Aui, he can adjust I think. He's smart and hard working. | ||
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Aui is almost certainly going to have to be a totally different 4 to what he's shown in the past if NP are to do well. | ||
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On April 10 2017 02:31 Laertes wrote: Legitimately hate when people say what you just said. What's to stop AUI from completely changing the meta as it stands? His playstyle as #4 was all about efficiency and greed. That's what made him standout. I'm all for him proving me wrong, but I highly doubt so. | ||
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On April 10 2017 06:26 Laertes wrote: That seems to me a serious misconception about how things get discovered/get shifted. A lot of people espouse it and I am very confused about why they think that way. No one has done it yet because no one has done it yet, and just because something hasn't been done, doesn't mean it can't be done or won't be done. I honestly see no reason why it wouldn't work; this patch is so narrowly explored and I hope we get to see more and different styles soon. People have tried greedy 4, but it rarely works out, its hit and miss. The meta right now is very gank and fight heavy, so the roaming 4 is king. Its just more effective, because there is so much agression going on. It can work with the right draft, but its mostly not the best choice, since it can be punished hard. | ||
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On April 19 2017 06:09 M.S.Bismarck wrote: So by the way, Bears has collapsed. What are the chances of Fata coming into NP? Hard to say about the likelihood. Fata has played with all of EE, Aui and MSS before. But not sure how he views those times. I really liked the post-TI4 c9 with Fata and Aui in it (not so much the one after Aui and PLD had been booted). Fata is probably one of those players that might get snagged by another team if some of the western teams going to Kiev happen to disband. But if all of them more or less stick together then him joining NP doesn't seem that unlikely. | ||
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Not hugely likely if we're honest though. | ||
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C9 IS BACK ASDZXCFSDF Current Dota 2 roster: Jacky ‘EternaLEnVy’ Mao Adrian ‘FATA-’ Trinks Arif ‘MSS’ Anwar Kurtis ‘Aui_2000’ Ling Johan ‘pieliedie’ Åström | ||
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On April 24 2017 07:10 FuzzyJAM wrote: Let's hope Secret crash and burn so PLD can return to the fold. Post-TI4 C9 with MSS for Bone7 would actually be pretty good I think. Not hugely likely if we're honest though. WE DID IT FAM | ||
goody153
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rekt too bad we are probably only seeing them play like one tournament before the TI qualifiers or whatever | ||
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On May 04 2017 23:04 goody153 wrote: https://twitter.com/MSSDota/status/860130647913967616 rekt too bad we are probably only seeing them play like one tournament before the TI qualifiers or whatever They are playing in Epicenter and Summit quals starting in a few days already. Dreamleague is also coming up later this month. So there will be a lot of games even if they fail in those. Manila Masters is the only LAN that is guaranteed for now though | ||
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On May 04 2017 23:14 Sn0_Man wrote: Man EE really refuses to pick up non-ex-c9 players huh who's also available and a better option? | ||
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Aww yeah boyyyyy. | ||
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On May 08 2017 12:55 juuto wrote: The true return of FATA is upon us im getting the feeling that FATA is gonna go beastmode | ||
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On May 08 2017 08:35 babysimba wrote: Fucking c9 is back. Roaming pos5 Pie, farming visage Aui, but for some reason offlane isn't feeding. hey bone-chan didn't feed in prior to c9 3.0 (jk there was some period where bone-chan was alright) | ||
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On May 08 2017 15:31 goody153 wrote: hey bone-chan didn't feed in prior to c9 3.0 (jk there was some period where bone-chan was alright) bone's lows were so low that ppl forget that he wasn't that bad. I mean ppl still think that moon is really good offlaner so I guess memory is a strange thing | ||
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On May 08 2017 22:02 Alpino wrote: bone's lows were so low that ppl forget that he wasn't that bad. I mean ppl still think that moon is really good offlaner so I guess memory is a strange thing Moon was good during some parts of playing with DC and also a good part playing with OG but yeah the rest of the teams he was pretty whatever Oh yeah bone's worst performance was just absolutely shit tier | ||
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all games stomps (ok maybe not completely game 1 against coL) though it's still not a great gauge since it's not against t1 teams but they looked really good for a new team .. they still need to work with team spellcasting coordination | ||
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Aui wants to play hyper greedy support again which is interesting. It obviously works against mediocre teams but whether top ones wouldn't just crush it idk. Of course, maybe they'd play differently against better teams. | ||
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5/6 games they dove t3's without t3/t2 dropping lol | ||
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But yea their picks have been pretty fun this far. Feels like their options are far more open in the draft with these players. Fata can play all sorts of mids, but especially they can now pick spellcasting mids better than they could with EE mid. And also Fata should be a bit stronger in lane so they may be able to snowball some games better through that. Fata being mid makes more aggressive support duos easier to pick too. They also have now a bigger threat of some unique picks like Visage, Ench, Chen with Aui on the support. And finally they have a lot of experience playing with Wisp on this team now. | ||
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Fata is definitely the better player than EE playing spellcaster mid though the good thing about this is that NP also has an option to put EE on farming mids. | ||
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But we'll have to see whether they can get through these quals first and then how it goes on LAN. It's looking promising so far but always hard to really say before they face better competition. | ||
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In the end it's all about figuring out shit and how strong they're mentally like that's what separates current OG over everybody. | ||
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Still doesn't say much - seems like server made a big difference. I guess NP looked stronger on their server than the reverse, and obviously PLD and Fata have a bigger disadvantage than anyone else. Still not sure how confident I should be with NP.C9 though. The Fata version started really strong last time as well. The mentality of the team is the real question, and I don't know how much that has improved. MSS is a strong player now, but he has a history as a choker. Please just win TI. | ||
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On May 10 2017 08:22 evanthebouncy! wrote: the return of clown9. the only thing I miss is bone7 and master singu ![]() but fata and whoever offlane they have is good enuf for me. friendship and anime (but who's drafting now?) Its only missing master singsing, Bone3+2+2 is their coach ![]() | ||
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On May 09 2017 07:14 FuzzyJAM wrote: Yeah, four dominant performances but the competition has been lacking. Aui wants to play hyper greedy support again which is interesting. It obviously works against mediocre teams but whether top ones wouldn't just crush it idk. Of course, maybe they'd play differently against better teams. Won TI5 right? | ||
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On May 10 2017 08:22 evanthebouncy! wrote: the return of clown9. the only thing I miss is bone7 and master singu ![]() but fata and whoever offlane they have is good enuf for me. friendship and anime (but who's drafting now?) same as most of the c9 roster run before it's EE and i hope it doesn't change (only pie was the closest as better and we got tinker support from that .. bonechan was a garbage drafter) good we don't have boner7 anymore .. god that dude is the biggest thrower in his worst performance | ||
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On May 12 2017 18:49 Xurr wrote: Let's see if DC is more of a challenge tonight. oh shit we lost .. first series loss of the roster | ||
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But the deciding games will happen today and tomorrow. They play against TBirds in the Epicenter finals later today and they should beat SG today to advance to play TBirds+DC in the Summit quals tomorrow. | ||
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Against TBirds they just got outplayed and outdrafted. On May 14 2017 17:44 Nymzee wrote: drafts are too predictable it feels like? the drafts like first 3 series looked really good and then we are back to first pick abaddon like they're relying on winning early game | ||
FuzzyJAM
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C9 always had draft cycles where they figured something out and then relied on it too much. | ||
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The Summit quals end tonight, hopefully they'll manage to change something to the right direction in the drafts. It's a bit surprising that they don't prioritize TB for example at all atm given how many other teams are running him. Getting to at least one of these two LANs would be good. | ||
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also seriously they should stop firstpicking abaddon that thing is situationally good (they kept doing that even before this roster) | ||
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On May 15 2017 08:09 Laertes wrote: If they hadn't lost the epicenter qualifiers they wouldn't be playing this well today. Fun fact: You learn way more subconsciously from losses than you do from wins. Okay but I wanted every former Epicenter champion present for the event though ![]() | ||
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On May 15 2017 14:01 spudde123 wrote: Nice that they qualified to Summit at least. Epicenter was the more competitive LAN with bigger prize pool but Summit has good teams too. Good to see them bouncing back from the loss yesterday and winning both deciding games today. summit is so hype and fun though | ||
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Still feels like the upside this lineup has is way higher than the previous one. Aui has also seemed to be performing pretty well already | ||
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we beat both NA teams that beat us yesterday .. good shit | ||
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If they find out about it they could swing it. | ||
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On May 20 2017 07:16 FuzzyJAM wrote: Chinese love NP, right? If they find out about it they could swing it. there's LGD so they're not getting the votes pretty sure navi is going | ||
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Even if they are going to other events, I'm sad NP didn't qualify. Production value at last year's event was completely bonkers. Outside of TI/Majors, it's the tournament I've been looking forward to the most. | ||
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On May 26 2017 15:52 its_a_me wrote: thank you NP for kicking secrets butt ![]() exposing puppey still is EE's specialty | ||
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On May 26 2017 17:16 spudde123 wrote: Aui's Tree picking people off is a pleasure to watch still waiting to see him farm aghs and spam trees in the map | ||
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Hope they make it to vs EG at least | ||
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On May 27 2017 02:46 Pontual wrote: China are anime killers, they don't give shit about the plot apparently Anime > Chinese Wixua novels | ||
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artour babaev vs jacky mao again | ||
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Hope for that coveted 2nd place boys | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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THE ONE AND ONLY BEAT EG AND CLAIM UR RIGHTFUL SILVER | ||
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Exactly as C9 of the old They can literally And tilt and throw like noone else can | ||
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But it was a pretty good showing nevertheless. The c9 spirit is back. In good news the field in Zotac became a bit better with Newbee and DC joining. I think there is still some hope for a TI invite if they manage to win/get 2nd at Zotac+Summit. Zotac starts already in a few days | ||
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So it's not like they need an invite anyways | ||
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On May 28 2017 19:33 LemOn wrote: They are still in NA though right? So it's not like they need an invite anyways NA quals aren't easy at all if there is again only one spot. TBirds and DC will likely both be in the quals. Also there's Freedom and coL who may be able to do something. If none of these teams are invited the spot will be more contested than CIS and EU ones. | ||
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On May 28 2017 19:33 LemOn wrote: They are still in NA though right? So it's not like they need an invite anyways NA quals aren't easy and just like always they always invite too many EU teams despite a really low success rate of EU teams on TI. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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On May 29 2017 03:38 Laertes wrote: Game 2 versus EG wasn't a throw. NP were on a timer and EG pulled some sick luck(I say luck because there's no other word to describe it, how do you get 3 straight Double Damage runes the moment you come ahead?). It's actually disgusting because other than MAYBE Sumail(he got really lucky too) I think NP played better that game. Double rune spawns. EG got control when the chances for DD runes doubled. I wasn't keeping track, but the number of DD runes, given the time EG had total control of the river, seemed to be the expected amount. | ||
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On May 29 2017 15:39 DucK- wrote: Fata is a beast. Think he is the best player after G that has not won much trophies. Well I think they have a good shot of winning some titles. The summit should be a good opportunity for them. At this point based on their play, I'd say they are the co-favorite with VP | ||
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The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. | ||
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On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. Well, I mean Liquid and TNC were suddenly best teams after SL... Kappa. EE is the aggressive player in NP. Fata balances him out. Also, being very good and stable won Fear a TI. | ||
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On May 30 2017 18:09 ChickenDieAlive wrote: Also, being very good and stable won Fear a TI. To be fair to his point Fear had Sumail mid and EE obviously isn't a similar sort of player. But I think categorizing Fata as somehow not aggressive, not flashy is a mistake. It depends on the team and in c9/NP he is the one who can take the role of a mobile hero who utilizes gank opportunities around the map or comes in to fights to clean up and take the glory. | ||
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On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. This "hyper aggressive" mid requirement isn't really true all the time. There's plenty of team who did well in TI or majors without them . You just have to ahead of the pack in meta and play with insane synergy. (sample of this CDEC TI5, Wings , TI4 VG, TL last year , VG post-TI4 era, EG post-TI4 with fear mid) And having a hyperaggressive high skilled doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically a good team (big example is Secret this year) | ||
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No idea what games you've been watching. | ||
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On May 30 2017 18:47 FuzzyJAM wrote: Lol @ Fata not shining. No idea what games you've been watching. I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc | ||
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On May 30 2017 19:49 goody153 wrote: I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc Fata is also regularly pos 1 for NP. I don't think the difference in playstyle is as drastic as some people claim. At some point in the past Fata has played more heroes like DK, DP, Razor or Viper (heroes that more or less stand there and ask to be initiated on rather than heroes that jump around and clean up) or utility heroes like Puck, Brew, Beastmaster where the narrative probably comes from. But that is by no means the only thing he has done and it isn't really what he has played on NP. | ||
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Yeah, he's played a bit of Bristle and Puck, but there's TA and Lina too. | ||
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On May 30 2017 19:49 goody153 wrote: I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc That is correct. The thing is i like & follow Fata since his Mousesports days in 2012-13. He was always an awesome guy very stable laner, with somewhat different hero pool. For example he was owning with puck on C9 couple of years back, while no one else was picking it, he also showed how fast Razor can farm when used properly etc. Then the tanky strat (razor, dk, dp, viper etc.)during his Liquid days owned for a couple of months. But when people figured them out - the success dissapeared. My point is - FATA is a type of guy that will never lose you the game. But he will never win it with individual plays. Miracle/ana/SCCC/Sumail are the other way around - they will win it most of the time, but sometimes they can lose it. Looking at the Lan results post TI for example shows us that flashy mid is the way to go. Maybe that will change - time will tell. | ||
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That's not even mentioning that if NP had won at Manilla, everyone would be gushing about how fucking incredible and unstoppable Fata is. There's just such a huge confirmation bias going on there, it's silly honestly. Reminds me of how everyone always said Miracle was the best player ever, carried OG and notail was shit. Of course now it's 'ana can't win mid' and OG wins because notail is the ultimate space-making carry that let's him recover. | ||
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On May 30 2017 22:23 NInoff wrote: That is correct. The thing is i like & follow Fata since his Mousesports days in 2012-13. He was always an awesome guy very stable laner, with somewhat different hero pool. For example he was owning with puck on C9 couple of years back, while no one else was picking it, he also showed how fast Razor can farm when used properly etc. Then the tanky strat (razor, dk, dp, viper etc.)during his Liquid days owned for a couple of months. But when people figured them out - the success dissapeared. My point is - FATA is a type of guy that will never lose you the game. But he will never win it with individual plays. Miracle/ana/SCCC/Sumail are the other way around - they will win it most of the time, but sometimes they can lose it. Looking at the Lan results post TI for example shows us that flashy mid is the way to go. Maybe that will change - time will tell. Disagree. Having watched fata since mouz, my opinion of him is a very good laner, farmer and playmaker, who has often been shackled by weak drafts/teammates. There's only so much you can do when you have clowns, pajkatt or synd in your team. | ||
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His only weakness is he has history of choking during high pressure tournament, unlike Sumail who is a coldblooded monster. But I'm pretty sure you are flaming his skills not mentality. | ||
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On May 31 2017 16:28 babysimba wrote: How is the best tempo mid beside Sumail getting flamed? Do you even dota? His only weakness is he has history of choking during high pressure tournament, unlike Sumail who is a coldblooded monster. But I'm pretty sure you are flaming his skills not mentality. No one is flaming fata, do you even read? | ||
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On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. How can you be sure it's just a spike? Have you already figured the patch out? This patch is very open and teams are playing different heroes. If you think DotA scene is that predictable you haven't been paying attention. | ||
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The NA quals are likely to be very competitive with NP, Planet Odd, DC, coL and Freedom battling for what is presumably 1 direct slot and 1 wildcard slot. Feels like NP had a better grasp on drafts compared to other teams at Manila and now they have to find their groove again a bit. Not sure if they've had a chance to practice much due to flying from lan to lan, and a bunch of stuff they used at Manila got nerfed a bit. | ||
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It's kinda difficult to get an invite with Odd, TNC being the competition despite having 2nd,3rd,4th place finishes. I guess team's going qualifiers then | ||
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On June 18 2017 18:29 HappyTuna wrote: You people are actualy delusional if beating Empire and Na'Vi makes you invite worthy. I'm not even sure they're locked for qualifiers with both ODD and DC looking much better on their recents LANS. Like they got completely shit stomped by VP playing meme drafts, at least DC was able to take it to a 3rd game. i see you conveniently don't count all the other events/tournaments and only count the summit LUL also come on your bias against NP is way too obvious for your opinion to actually have a value (check your own post history) User was warned for this post | ||
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And as far as LAN performance goes, NP's performance at Manila was good. They were really close to a finals spot at an event that was very competitive. NP didn't look great at the Summit against the better teams though. | ||
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On June 18 2017 20:19 goody153 wrote: Yep despite how well Odd and NP did since the major. It isn't good enough but due to how well NA teams are doing post-major might be the time to give NA more slots than EU considering VP,OG and TL are obviously getting an invite whoever remains doesn't have a better trackrecord than the rest of NA who isn't EG Aggreed. Excluding OG and TL, the only team in EU that is doing something is Secret. And the record of Secret isn't even that good. Most of SEA teams are really bad atm. TNC is OK. 6 invites 8 qualified teams: 1 CIS, 1 EU, 2 China, 1 SEA, 2 NA, 1 SA 2 wild cards | ||
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The situation would be simpler if Secret won the Summit and got a TI invite, and Planet Odd played in the EU quals (not sure they even have a teamhouse in NA these days, afaik they just flew over to BTS house to play the last NA quals). Then you could have 7 invites, 1 EU qual and 1 NA direct slot and 1 wildcard slot for each, and the regions would be more balanced imo. | ||
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Probably see one invite (EG), one qualifier and one wild card. NP could definitely lose out to Odd and DC for even getting a wild card slot, yet all three would be favourites for SA and CIS qualifiers and second favourites for EU and SEA. | ||
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On June 18 2017 20:27 ChickenDieAlive wrote: Aggreed. Excluding OG and TL, the only team in EU that is doing something is Secret. And the record of Secret isn't even that good. Most of SEA teams are really bad atm. TNC is OK. 6 invites 8 qualified teams: 1 CIS, 1 EU, 2 China, 1 SEA, 2 NA, 1 SA 2 wild cards Yep same thoughts. Though we could be wrong about SEA getting less spots again again considering what happened last year TI6 where 3 of them ended up top 8 and destroying the best EU teams. | ||
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More SEA teams mean OG having more chance to be eliminated early, kappa. | ||
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On June 19 2017 12:07 ChickenDieAlive wrote: Oh well, I guess the format is clear now. NP should have no problem going through. More SEA teams mean OG having more chance to be eliminated early, kappa. That's good. Hahaha At least Envy almost certain will go to international. Hope they will became nice black horse :p | ||
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I suppose if you intend to get a good TI placing then you should beat all of those teams. But I think DC, Odd and NP are all better than quite a few teams that will be at TI and one of them won't make it. | ||
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On July 05 2017 05:19 goody153 wrote: https://twitter.com/NPDotA/status/882332336238600192 now we have Freedom's captain as couch too .. not only bone7 I don't think B7 has coached since DAC | ||
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Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it. | ||
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On July 17 2017 07:30 FuzzyJAM wrote: Any reason Envy has been playing Bat recently? Please tell me there's not going to be an MSS/Envy role swap happening sometimes... only reason I could possibly think for that is if they want a Meepo strat and Envy doesn't want to play it. Envy can play the space create dude just not as good as his standard splitpush/farm/timing but yeah it's more for draft flexibility possibly for example envy has been playing LC which gives them a team specific first pick material since it could go offlane or safelane like abarekiller said it's even better with bat assuming he gets it right since bat can be played on 4/1/3 they already have razor as a 1/2 pos draft or their puck(2/3) and bb(1/2/3) | ||
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I still think that you want a Meepo trump card if at all possible so hopefully they are working on that too. You only need about 15 games to win TI and an unexpected Meepo against a good draft can be practically a freebie and leads to draft advantage every game afterwards as people have to stress about it. | ||
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On July 17 2017 15:00 goody153 wrote: Envy can play the space create dude just not as good as his standard splitpush/farm/timing but yeah it's more for draft flexibility possibly for example envy has been playing LC which gives them a team specific first pick material since it could go offlane or safelane like abarekiller said it's even better with bat assuming he gets it right since bat can be played on 4/1/3 they already have razor as a 1/2 pos draft or their puck(2/3) and bb(1/2/3) Pos 1 bat here would be mid? Mid is so important that some people consider it pos. 1 and others don't so sometimes it's confusing. | ||
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On July 17 2017 21:05 Pontual wrote: Pos 1 bat here would be mid? Mid is so important that some people consider it pos. 1 and others don't so sometimes it's confusing. It's really just a laneswitch if bat ends up mid and fata still plays the DPS/midgame hero no problem just starts in the safelane. Or the bat is played safelane. It's not impossible if the draft ends up with a LC + farming mid though EE is probably playing the LC and MSS the bat but it's a nice option. On July 17 2017 20:46 FuzzyJAM wrote: Yeah, makes sense. Something like jungle Ench for lane disruption and non-carry damage, two strong solo laners (maybe LC, Tide, Brood, Bat, Bristle?) who ate ok without support, and dual lane mid (maybe MK, Sky, Ogre, ES with SF, Storm, Huskar, Sniper?) to get carry mid a good start into strong snowball could work. I still think that you want a Meepo trump card if at all possible so hopefully they are working on that too. You only need about 15 games to win TI and an unexpected Meepo against a good draft can be practically a freebie and leads to draft advantage every game afterwards as people have to stress about it. Meepo is no longer that surprising anymore, it's weird power spike doesn't get people dumbfounded how to respond anymore. I'd say a huskar memepush would work just as well. | ||
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On July 18 2017 01:43 FuzzyJAM wrote: There are definitely still times when a Meepo 5th pick is close to an auto-win. i honestly rather wish NP had a storm player(neither envy and fata are great storm players OR just storm players) the hero is such an easy 5th pick outdraft | ||
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On July 18 2017 19:11 FuzzyJAM wrote: That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though. EE has the problem on storm of going full hero mode. He will jump into 5 thinking he can get out and make big plays... and then it throws the game. Storm is a weird hero where you can do so many cool things, but you can fuck up bad so easily | ||
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On July 18 2017 19:11 FuzzyJAM wrote: That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though. Can't be worse than Bone7 storm? | ||
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goody153
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On July 18 2017 19:11 FuzzyJAM wrote: That's true. Storm seems a very Envy hero, and he has played it on occasion. Don't know if he's been practising it recently though. It's an envy hero but last time i saw the dude play the hero it wasn't that great .. probably needs alot more practice like his ember fata isn't one of the mids who plays a great storm | ||
FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Edit: Game did not go well... I think Storm maybe requires a safer and more selfish playstyle than Envy is used to. | ||
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