EPTTeam NP Discussion - Page 14
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 29 2017 15:39 DucK- wrote: Fata is a beast. Think he is the best player after G that has not won much trophies. Well I think they have a good shot of winning some titles. The summit should be a good opportunity for them. At this point based on their play, I'd say they are the co-favorite with VP | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
699 Posts
On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. Well, I mean Liquid and TNC were suddenly best teams after SL... Kappa. EE is the aggressive player in NP. Fata balances him out. Also, being very good and stable won Fear a TI. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On May 30 2017 18:09 ChickenDieAlive wrote: Also, being very good and stable won Fear a TI. To be fair to his point Fear had Sumail mid and EE obviously isn't a similar sort of player. But I think categorizing Fata as somehow not aggressive, not flashy is a mistake. It depends on the team and in c9/NP he is the one who can take the role of a mobile hero who utilizes gank opportunities around the map or comes in to fights to clean up and take the glory. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. This "hyper aggressive" mid requirement isn't really true all the time. There's plenty of team who did well in TI or majors without them . You just have to ahead of the pack in meta and play with insane synergy. (sample of this CDEC TI5, Wings , TI4 VG, TL last year , VG post-TI4 era, EG post-TI4 with fear mid) And having a hyperaggressive high skilled doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically a good team (big example is Secret this year) | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
No idea what games you've been watching. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
On May 30 2017 18:47 FuzzyJAM wrote: Lol @ Fata not shining. No idea what games you've been watching. I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On May 30 2017 19:49 goody153 wrote: I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc Fata is also regularly pos 1 for NP. I don't think the difference in playstyle is as drastic as some people claim. At some point in the past Fata has played more heroes like DK, DP, Razor or Viper (heroes that more or less stand there and ask to be initiated on rather than heroes that jump around and clean up) or utility heroes like Puck, Brew, Beastmaster where the narrative probably comes from. But that is by no means the only thing he has done and it isn't really what he has played on NP. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Yeah, he's played a bit of Bristle and Puck, but there's TA and Lina too. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On May 30 2017 19:49 goody153 wrote: I think he means the hyperfarming hyperagressive 1 position mid players like miracle/suma1l/Ana/sccc That is correct. The thing is i like & follow Fata since his Mousesports days in 2012-13. He was always an awesome guy very stable laner, with somewhat different hero pool. For example he was owning with puck on C9 couple of years back, while no one else was picking it, he also showed how fast Razor can farm when used properly etc. Then the tanky strat (razor, dk, dp, viper etc.)during his Liquid days owned for a couple of months. But when people figured them out - the success dissapeared. My point is - FATA is a type of guy that will never lose you the game. But he will never win it with individual plays. Miracle/ana/SCCC/Sumail are the other way around - they will win it most of the time, but sometimes they can lose it. Looking at the Lan results post TI for example shows us that flashy mid is the way to go. Maybe that will change - time will tell. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Xafnia
Canada874 Posts
That's not even mentioning that if NP had won at Manilla, everyone would be gushing about how fucking incredible and unstoppable Fata is. There's just such a huge confirmation bias going on there, it's silly honestly. Reminds me of how everyone always said Miracle was the best player ever, carried OG and notail was shit. Of course now it's 'ana can't win mid' and OG wins because notail is the ultimate space-making carry that let's him recover. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 30 2017 22:23 NInoff wrote: That is correct. The thing is i like & follow Fata since his Mousesports days in 2012-13. He was always an awesome guy very stable laner, with somewhat different hero pool. For example he was owning with puck on C9 couple of years back, while no one else was picking it, he also showed how fast Razor can farm when used properly etc. Then the tanky strat (razor, dk, dp, viper etc.)during his Liquid days owned for a couple of months. But when people figured them out - the success dissapeared. My point is - FATA is a type of guy that will never lose you the game. But he will never win it with individual plays. Miracle/ana/SCCC/Sumail are the other way around - they will win it most of the time, but sometimes they can lose it. Looking at the Lan results post TI for example shows us that flashy mid is the way to go. Maybe that will change - time will tell. Disagree. Having watched fata since mouz, my opinion of him is a very good laner, farmer and playmaker, who has often been shackled by weak drafts/teammates. There's only so much you can do when you have clowns, pajkatt or synd in your team. | ||
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AbareKiller
456 Posts
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zdarr
France375 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
His only weakness is he has history of choking during high pressure tournament, unlike Sumail who is a coldblooded monster. But I'm pretty sure you are flaming his skills not mentality. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
On May 31 2017 16:28 babysimba wrote: How is the best tempo mid beside Sumail getting flamed? Do you even dota? His only weakness is he has history of choking during high pressure tournament, unlike Sumail who is a coldblooded monster. But I'm pretty sure you are flaming his skills not mentality. No one is flaming fata, do you even read? | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 30 2017 17:19 NInoff wrote: Fata is very very stable mid. He will never get crushed. But he will never shine. His playstyle is different. Being very good and stable is not enough these days. You need a mircale or a sumail or a similar type of high skill aggressive player to be able to win a lot. I really like NPs lineup but i can't see them being favorites. Good performance on the last LAN, but that was just a spike and advantage against teams that havn't really figured out the patch yet. The summit will be different - people will get used to the changes and now the best teams will really shine. How can you be sure it's just a spike? Have you already figured the patch out? This patch is very open and teams are playing different heroes. If you think DotA scene is that predictable you haven't been paying attention. | ||
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