EPTShowed their genius in their last game winning teamfights even when stupidly far behind with great plays.
This team has always been volatile and always will be
let's hope this single elim. nonsense is over
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Showed their genius in their last game winning teamfights even when stupidly far behind with great plays. This team has always been volatile and always will be let's hope this single elim. nonsense is over | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Souldivnr
Cuba127 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On December 07 2016 13:14 haduken wrote: faith_bian's SK game vs WG was horrid, he either rpg'ed too much or got drunk. Yeah, faith_bian used to land all freaking impale with nyx and now miss some easy SK stuns, go figure. He's the one who dropped the most, from arguably the best player in the world to "just" a good offlaner. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
I think this is natural, as other teams study and advance non-stop while the TI champs just take a small mental vacation at the start of the following season. the silver lining is that they were indeed the fastest team to develop good ideas about 6.88 imo, and maybe even 6.86, so they can do it again with 6.89 especially if it's as game changing as people are saying. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
also I do think their map movements are being read too and also their warding patterns, they need to shake that off and be not so predictable, especially everyone hawking over their replays or what have you. Overall losing to EG is okay, EG looks pretty solid this tournament | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
being the first team is really hard in dota. every tourny have new meta, the top ones always gets studied and exploited. they still have phenomon team fights so the synergy is still there, they need to stick together and work out their lanes because they almost always lose lanes (prehaps due to the lack of individual ability compare to other top teams), but now they can't rely on team fight and map movements to overcome early game shortcomings they need to work out how they go forward. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
They evidently didn't practice as much here and were way less crisp. Not much to worry about since the post TI season generally has pretty poor quality of play across the board, as it was at Boston. It's only an issue if they don't start getting in form by late spring/early summer 2017. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
very worst top 3 is that enough when you are facing teams with the likes of sumail in mid? it's subjective obviously as you can argue how much individual brillance contribute to modern dota but it's evidenly clear that wings have trouble early game. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On December 10 2016 11:42 haduken wrote: i wasn't even surprised they lost, prehaps I was hoping they end up higher. being the first team is really hard in dota. every tourny have new meta, the top ones always gets studied and exploited. they still have phenomon team fights so the synergy is still there, they need to stick together and work out their lanes because they almost always lose lanes (prehaps due to the lack of individual ability compare to other top teams), but now they can't rely on team fight and map movements to overcome early game shortcomings they need to work out how they go forward. Lack of individual skill, come on, no other team in the history of dota came close to their level at TI. They setup a new level of play and if I can agree blink and iceice were "just" very good, the other 3 had many matches close to perfection. Concerning the early game, they often sack it for a strong midgame and if the scoreboard looked grim they were not that far behind in term of farm and XP with a stronger midgame fighting line up. They're jsut out of shape atm and their movements have been figured out. The question if they're willing to go back to hardcore training now that they're rich enough to not work. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
They were already working hard. They're just a volatile team losing one BO3 when it matters was always possible even at TI | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On December 10 2016 23:13 nojok wrote: Lack of individual skill, come on, no other team in the history of dota came close to their level at TI. They setup a new level of play and if I can agree blink and iceice were "just" very good, the other 3 had many matches close to perfection. Concerning the early game, they often sack it for a strong midgame and if the scoreboard looked grim they were not that far behind in term of farm and XP with a stronger midgame fighting line up. They're jsut out of shape atm and their movements have been figured out. The question if they're willing to go back to hardcore training now that they're rich enough to not work. only faith_bian was truly outstanding in his role @ TI imo but that's besides the point, Wing's versatility is what enables, their 5 man functions at a higher level than any other teams at TI but let's not kid ourselves to think they are above and beyond, their average group stage, the 0-2 vs Demon and friends. I don't disagree that everyone of Wings are world class it's evidently no longer the case where they won every mid game fights regardless how they do early game and teams have found ways to exploit them precisely because of it. | ||
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nanaoei
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
They are still losing with this new switch though. I really hope they are saving strats because from what I've seen they have been getting really poor results and its kinda sad to TI champions fall off so hard again. I wouldn't even consider them top 5 in China atm. Newbee, IG, IG.v, VG, VG.J, and LGD look stronger. Really hoping they prove me wrong at Kiev. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
On April 10 2017 12:11 shouldbeworking wrote: I noticed after watching DPL that it seems Shadow and Blink have switched roles. I wonder if the recent results have been pressuring them to make changes. Not the first time they made a switch though, since FaithBian played mid for bit way before their ESL win. They are still losing with this new switch though. I really hope they are saving strats because from what I've seen they have been getting really poor results and its kinda sad to TI champions fall off so hard again. I wouldn't even consider them top 5 in China atm. Newbee, IG, IG.v, VG, VG.J, and LGD look stronger. Really hoping they prove me wrong at Kiev. Apparently shadow isn't even playing for them rn and its a standin using his acc | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On April 10 2017 13:30 DucK- wrote: Of all wings players, I feel shadow is slumping the most. Never a good sign when a team does a role switch. Shadow has a baby, that definitely is going to affect him. I hope everything is well with him then if the rumors of him being subbed is true. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Think this thread is criminally underrating iceice though. He's fallen like the others, but at his best, the guy was an absolute monster even though he's not the typical Jerax 4. More like a Chinese Zai. | ||
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