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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
November 18 2016 14:32 GMT
#3121
it's clear to me that miracle is in a slump, though he's a better overall player than the majority as he is right now.

i think once liquid gets to a stable level of play it'll be a lot clearer what the team is lacking.
i'd actually be really interested in looking at the games where they pick the same heroes and comparing the performance between those games, but even those picks (and who plays on which hero) is sporadic.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
November 21 2016 11:57 GMT
#3122
This week will be good for team liquid. 25th and 26 it's dreamhack, if liquid win it they will start this new roster with the right foot, GH just got 9k as well so we have 3 9ks, hope they start to play well together, have more synergy and better games. I still want too see matumba and miracle get along.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 21 2016 12:46 GMT
#3123
Is GH really with the team?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
November 21 2016 13:16 GMT
#3124
On November 21 2016 21:46 LemOn wrote:
Is GH really with the team?

Matumba said on stream that he is. He said it really serious, so i'm considering he was saying the truth.
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
November 21 2016 13:31 GMT
#3125
Yeah, Matu said it will "most likely be Liquid.GH"
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
November 21 2016 16:53 GMT
#3126
27 k mmr team holy shit! Well in all seriousnes, i hope they do better from now on, depends if they were able to fully remove the bulba curse.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
November 21 2016 17:11 GMT
#3127
On November 18 2016 23:32 nanaoei wrote:
it's clear to me that miracle is in a slump, though he's a better overall player than the majority as he is right now.

i think once liquid gets to a stable level of play it'll be a lot clearer what the team is lacking.
i'd actually be really interested in looking at the games where they pick the same heroes and comparing the performance between those games, but even those picks (and who plays on which hero) is sporadic.


I don't think he's slumping at all. He's continuously staying at 9k (while playing games daily), just like Matumba. It's obviously a team issue.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 21 2016 17:50 GMT
#3128
On November 22 2016 02:11 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2016 23:32 nanaoei wrote:
it's clear to me that miracle is in a slump, though he's a better overall player than the majority as he is right now.

i think once liquid gets to a stable level of play it'll be a lot clearer what the team is lacking.
i'd actually be really interested in looking at the games where they pick the same heroes and comparing the performance between those games, but even those picks (and who plays on which hero) is sporadic.


I don't think he's slumping at all. He's continuously staying at 9k (while playing games daily), just like Matumba. It's obviously a team issue.

Yeah he did just fine on his heroes
And you can't really blame him much for bat/nyx/mag play as he doesn't exactly have loads of competitive experience on those
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 18:38:48
November 21 2016 18:02 GMT
#3129
On November 22 2016 02:50 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 02:11 nothingmuch wrote:
On November 18 2016 23:32 nanaoei wrote:
it's clear to me that miracle is in a slump, though he's a better overall player than the majority as he is right now.

i think once liquid gets to a stable level of play it'll be a lot clearer what the team is lacking.
i'd actually be really interested in looking at the games where they pick the same heroes and comparing the performance between those games, but even those picks (and who plays on which hero) is sporadic.


I don't think he's slumping at all. He's continuously staying at 9k (while playing games daily), just like Matumba. It's obviously a team issue.

Yeah he did just fine on his heroes
And you can't really blame him much for bat/nyx/mag play as he doesn't exactly have loads of competitive experience on those

Yeah people tend to forget that. Only because he played a shit ton of heroes in og doesnt mean he is god tier on everyone of those. Thats just not possible. Also heroes like magnus or bat only work when the teamwork is good, and they obviously had problems with that.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
November 21 2016 22:00 GMT
#3130
Its almost like mmr is not a great measure of skill at the pro level.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
November 21 2016 23:44 GMT
#3131
Werent you one of those hardcore bulba defenders? Liquid bulba is done, please move one. He is a coach now, which is obviously better for him
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
November 21 2016 23:57 GMT
#3132
I'm not saying anything about bulba, I'm just saying that I don't think throwing more mmr at the problem will fix it. (Even more so since the problem is Kuro Miracle and MC anyways)
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
November 22 2016 06:59 GMT
#3133
You said the exact same thing in this thread after bulba left the team so i thought you were still going at it.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
November 22 2016 07:54 GMT
#3134
On November 22 2016 08:57 Jaaaaasper wrote:
I'm not saying anything about bulba, I'm just saying that I don't think throwing more mmr at the problem will fix it. (Even more so since the problem is Kuro Miracle and MC anyways)

THey looked way better with GH already. Now that VP are no longer in DH, Liquid is obligated to win. They are allowed to have some nailbiters, but they have to win. After all this is the only LAN left to play in.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-22 09:31:37
November 22 2016 09:19 GMT
#3135
On November 22 2016 16:54 NInoff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2016 08:57 Jaaaaasper wrote:
I'm not saying anything about bulba, I'm just saying that I don't think throwing more mmr at the problem will fix it. (Even more so since the problem is Kuro Miracle and MC anyways)

THey looked way better with GH already. Now that VP are no longer in DH, Liquid is obligated to win. They are allowed to have some nailbiters, but they have to win. After all this is the only LAN left to play in.

No not really. Especially with GH's first time on high level team the boys really should be treated like a work in progress project, much like Alliance. So if they win it'd be a nice bonus, but there's no such thing as obligation - with Bulba gone the team's pretty inexperienced with tons of potential if you think about it besides Kuro. Miracle and Matu have tons to learn about adapting their role with another greedy 1/2 and expand their hero pools ,GH how to balance his aggression, MC still find his way without Jerax and the whole team how to play together really. Last season they were dominant with one dimensional style (that got figured out by the time TI rolled over) as long as they are working hard and Improving I'm happy and so should Liquid fans. Results are not very important until next Major.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
November 22 2016 09:41 GMT
#3136
Their big problem are still the farm patterns of Matu & Miracle. Like i always remeber this one game where matu is farming ancients and suddendly miracle pings him like mad, because he wants to farm it.

If these two can work together i think liquid can be of the top teams again.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
November 22 2016 21:37 GMT
#3137
We will see them play again in 3 days, finally some games. Hard time to be a fan for sure. Hope the boys have fixed some of their problems. I dont want to see them lose in the few tournament games we get from them. Because after this they dont play in anything right?
Aceinth
Profile Joined November 2016
Singapore3 Posts
November 23 2016 08:08 GMT
#3138
Cant wait for them to start playing games again. This past few days after summit with not much going on is boring...
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
November 23 2016 08:57 GMT
#3139
On November 23 2016 06:37 hunter_x wrote:
We will see them play again in 3 days, finally some games. Hard time to be a fan for sure. Hope the boys have fixed some of their problems. I dont want to see them lose in the few tournament games we get from them. Because after this they dont play in anything right?


Yes, after DH No more games until after the Major when the new cycle will begin.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
November 23 2016 11:37 GMT
#3140
On November 22 2016 07:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Its almost like mmr is not a great measure of skill at the pro level.


You should let the people at EG, OG, Liquid, IG etc. in on your little secret. They seem clueless.
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