On April 30 2017 22:09 evanthebouncy! wrote: orangunatang gaming
but nobody knows. you see when redeye announces the teams, ig, eg, og, it goes something like:
invictus gaming
evil genius
annnddd...
OG
so basicsally og stands for itself
Seeing how Notail was on the original Monkey Business, his penchant for names like BigDaddy and such I'd assume it stands for Original Gangstas or some such thing (which also ties in well to the slang meaning of monkey business, going from stupid pet project to full blown career).
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
They weren't that far behind, 6k networth if I remember correctly. It's pretty classic OG, they just use the map way better than pretty much any other team out there.
I also never felt that the lineup needed to snowball as much as others felt but the pressure VP put on OG made it super difficult. Once Timber and Troll got their items they were always going to be able to blow people up unless things got way, way out of hand in terms of net worth difference.
Managing to get to that point considering how well VP were playing and then executing in the fights was the impressive part for me.
-Edit- Thinking about what I wrote made me realize that I might just have described what people mean when they say "needed to snowball" in the first place. In that case, I just wrote a whole lot of nothing.
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
They weren't that far behind, 6k networth if I remember correctly. It's pretty classic OG, they just use the map way better than pretty much any other team out there.
I also never felt that the lineup needed to snowball as much as others felt but the pressure VP put on OG made it super difficult. Once Timber and Troll got their items they were always going to be able to blow people up unless things got way, way out of hand in terms of net worth difference.
Managing to get to that point considering how well VP were playing and then executing in the fights was the impressive part for me.
-Edit- Thinking about what I wrote made me realize that I might just have described what people mean when they say "needed to snowball" in the first place. In that case, I just wrote a whole lot of nothing.
It swung from 10k in VPs favor to 3k in OG after the fight at their ancients where they wiped them without losing anybody.
They were behind 55k vs 65k gold at around 40 minutes which isn't that big of a advantage at that point. Re-watched the fights in game 5 a few times and one thing I noticed was that the comeback fight was triggered by OD teleporting under a ward while his team was retreating. This gave OG the confidence to rush VP and catch alchemist. Pretty interesting how big impact one mistake like that can have. Even if VP didn't get caught out like that OG would've had a good chance taking fights because VPs draft was so one dimensional relying heavily on right clicks. This made it really easy for OG to counter them with itemization and they even had really good abilities like overgrowth and whirling axes that caused VP a lot of problems.
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
They weren't that far behind, 6k networth if I remember correctly. It's pretty classic OG, they just use the map way better than pretty much any other team out there.
I also never felt that the lineup needed to snowball as much as others felt but the pressure VP put on OG made it super difficult. Once Timber and Troll got their items they were always going to be able to blow people up unless things got way, way out of hand in terms of net worth difference.
Managing to get to that point considering how well VP were playing and then executing in the fights was the impressive part for me.
-Edit- Thinking about what I wrote made me realize that I might just have described what people mean when they say "needed to snowball" in the first place. In that case, I just wrote a whole lot of nothing.
It swung from 10k in VPs favor to 3k in OG after the fight at their ancients where they wiped them without losing anybody.
4 for 0, three streaks, a buyback, two towers, a shrine and a barrack will do that.
The fight itself totaled a 6k swing, but that's including the buyback.
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
They weren't that far behind, 6k networth if I remember correctly. It's pretty classic OG, they just use the map way better than pretty much any other team out there.
I also never felt that the lineup needed to snowball as much as others felt but the pressure VP put on OG made it super difficult. Once Timber and Troll got their items they were always going to be able to blow people up unless things got way, way out of hand in terms of net worth difference.
Managing to get to that point considering how well VP were playing and then executing in the fights was the impressive part for me.
-Edit- Thinking about what I wrote made me realize that I might just have described what people mean when they say "needed to snowball" in the first place. In that case, I just wrote a whole lot of nothing.
It swung from 10k in VPs favor to 3k in OG after the fight at their ancients where they wiped them without losing anybody.
Oh, guess I misremembered. Still, 10k at that point against an Alchemist isn't that much, really.
On May 01 2017 21:13 HeYmaney wrote: Am I the only one who thinks they were not so behind? I mean you can win it 22-5 yet if you don't dig a big hole in net worth there is still the possibility to reverse the score in 10 minutes right? I didn't see the XP curve though.
I think 99% of people including me just didn't understand the draft Being 10-2 and 14-3 down vs Alch/OD just sounds like an autoloss even with lategame drafts
But they had Safelane timbersaw that needs to snowball, dominate early, troll that's just meh hero right now . . . Seemed like they are right fucked after what looked like a lane-win oriented lineup (timber doesn't even care about troll's AS lol, and that's 2 main cores wtf :D)
But BAM timber just annihilated alch, same for OD later with troll, yeah VP miss-played but there was no Virtus Throw this time, just a great draft and clutch execution
They weren't that far behind, 6k networth if I remember correctly. It's pretty classic OG, they just use the map way better than pretty much any other team out there.
I also never felt that the lineup needed to snowball as much as others felt but the pressure VP put on OG made it super difficult. Once Timber and Troll got their items they were always going to be able to blow people up unless things got way, way out of hand in terms of net worth difference.
Managing to get to that point considering how well VP were playing and then executing in the fights was the impressive part for me.
-Edit- Thinking about what I wrote made me realize that I might just have described what people mean when they say "needed to snowball" in the first place. In that case, I just wrote a whole lot of nothing.
It swung from 10k in VPs favor to 3k in OG after the fight at their ancients where they wiped them without losing anybody.
4 for 0, three streaks, a buyback, two towers, a shrine and a barrack will do that.
The fight itself totaled a 6k swing, but that's including the buyback.
Which goes to show you that despite what Lil thinks about OG's lack of understanding before, that OG know how to play Alchemist best. So that also means they should understand how to counter the hero. A 10K lead with an Alchemist is nothing. The Alchemist himself should have 10k networth over the next hero when their team is ahead. Instead before that fight Alch was only at 26k and Troll at 20k. Alch manfighting troll is a joke unless he is way ahead by more than 2 items. With a score of 5-22 OD did not get as much farm and VP's draft did not have setup for OD to get any right clicks off. They relied on Alch to front line too much, but he just wasn't a real threat late game. The OG supporting cast was perfect and had so much utility in teamfights while VP had a rock, enchant, and a duel.
The fights for VP required duel to go off on Dazzle or Treant and a good rock+bonds combo to get anything done. From what we saw with OG they just ran at them with the back liners coming in to control the OD while Ana does work vs the rest of VP. Enchantress just kinda stood around to rickclick. Maybe that just wasn't the best pick for their aggressive lineup.
Its all hindsight, but if the draft was reversed, OG would probably dodge fights a bit more mid game allowing Alchemist to use his best str to get ahead. Whats the point of Alchemist if he doesnt get to farm right after radiance+travels and then just get ridiculous. Kind of defeats the purpose of the hero to go battle build when your other core isn't farming the map like when OG pick TB or Naga with Alch.
I think the fighting build was OK. It showed when VP exerted dominance in the early game.
The issue is od not being farmed enough, and alch not having basher. You can't man fight troll unless you have that item. But nope mkb satanic is more important lol.
Also I felt pasha should have dueled tree/dazzle first. He kept jumping on troll, but OG just counters with grave, while tree does his thing.
The game was very much winnable for VP. Enchant was getting big to pew pew heroes, and I think she would have been a great threat. VP loss control of the game with alch getting caught out of position...
Holy shit Ana can be such a whiny little tilting pussy :D But the whole team and the coach pull him right back up, no surprise they always pull right to the top even though they feel like eternal underdogs. (seriously, I always get surprised by them winning somehow)
It's no wonder they could make any pubstar mid a world class player.
Meanwhile CIS Win a game yet still start the cyka blead's at each other lol
How game5 even pros had no clue what's OG draft Where it actually wiped VP lategame even when 5-22 behind. And people after game sayign "oH OF COURSE, they WERENT EVEN THAT BEHIND yada yada"
Yeah this team's insane People used to say how S4 was the voice and drafter on Alliance that Jerax was very vocal on Liquid
But it's N0tail Fly all the way creating this positive atmosphere, asking for vote when they can bumping up Ana when he's down And still letting S4 and Jerax a say when they're needed, but they don't even have to. Notail and Fly feel like mature pros, and rtz etc. like kids compared to them Coach is a nice cheerleader there too.
Fucking sucks that the meta change doesn't seem to suit them right before TI. Or you know what? Maybe that's awesome As once more they are coming in as the eternal underdog who nobody would be shocked if they end up TOP6
This team's really insirational for any sport or game not just Dota
On June 01 2017 07:13 LemOn wrote: Yeah this team's insane People used to say how S4 was the voice and drafter on Alliance that Jerax was very vocal on Liquid
But it's N0tail Fly all the way creating this positive atmosphere, asking for vote when they can bumping up Ana when he's down And still letting S4 and Jerax a say when they're needed, but they don't even have to. Notail and Fly feel like mature pros, and rtz etc. like kids compared to them Coach is a nice cheerleader there too.
Fucking sucks that the meta change doesn't seem to suit them right before TI. Or you know what? Maybe that's awesome As once more they are coming in as the eternal underdog who nobody would be shocked if they end up TOP6
This team's really insirational for any sport or game not just Dota
s4's mic didn't work the entire True Sight. That's why you don't hear him talking. Would have been interesting to hear what he says
Holy shit Ana can be such a whiny little tilting pussy :D But the whole team and the coach pull him right back up, no surprise they always pull right to the top even though they feel like eternal underdogs. (seriously, I always get surprised by them winning somehow)
It's no wonder they could make any pubstar mid a world class player.
Meanwhile CIS Win a game yet still start the cyka blead's at each other lol
Wow this video really shows how important Fuckingmad is to the team. Same goes to Artstyle to VP. Coach really is a very important role. Also Ana is so emotionally fragile, wonder how Miracle is when he was in the team....
I love Liquid and will always root for them, but I always respected OG and loved Notail and Fly, after watching the True Sight man I hope its OG and Liquid in every final. They are just such a likable team.
EPT
