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rabidch
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the bear jew
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On August 07 2015 08:37 rabidch wrote: by the way that was a sick interview by G Disappointed G isn't feeling like a tiger. | ||
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Elyvilon
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To the surprise of nobody, VP is getting invited to ESL. I hope they do well! | ||
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Vertical
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On September 02 2015 22:48 wxyLkz wrote: hope he doesn't end up the same way like xiao8 and wife what happened to them ? | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
they divorced because his wife felt they weren't spending enough time together due to all the training I think | ||
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Daigoro
Germany251 Posts
I'd suggest make virtus pro.int with secret and let puppey do a little shopping next transfer period.... | ||
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rabidch
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cuckoo
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 with better lanes in game 3 and it would be quite an easy game, since there's no way OG could stop their push | ||
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rabidch
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SatsuinoHado
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http://imgur.com/a/iOLP1 | ||
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Souldivnr
Cuba127 Posts
This thread hasn't seen much action lately. | ||
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yookstah
Australia655 Posts
lmao wat Where's the source for these? EDIT: found http://milliganvick.deviantart.com/ | ||
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VvvV1251
Algeria142 Posts
Too bad their draft was pretty good, but they didn't execute it well. | ||
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
In terms of drafting,they never fully committed to a strat,be it a push strat or a greed draft,they always drafted in the middle,not fully committing for anything and leaving themselves with ambiguous win conditions.In terms of play,again it was mediocre.Nobody was playing particularly badly,nor anyone particularly well.People were putting lots of blame on Silent in many games,but aside from the Gyro game I didn't see him as the weak link,infact in one or two games e.g. vs Og he was the only one playing above par I would say.In short,nobody on the Vp squad was taking chances or making plays and it cost them. Out of every non-Chinese team at the event,they were the team who most lacked an identity when it came to the meta,and that cost them.We know they had the least amount of games on the patch out of all the teams,maybe that was part of the issue,but if they want to do better in upcoming tourneys,they need to find their own style.Once you've found a comfortable playstyle in a meta,then you can adapt from it and play different styles on top of that.Vp at Shanghai just looked like a team with absolutely no direction. Just my few thoughts on the team.I'm not Dota expert,but I do watch alot of games and I can understand the problems Vp had at Shanghai and why it cost them,hopefully people understand where I'm coming from.Also unless there are internal issues between the players,I don't think a roster change is necessary,even if for the simple reason that there's no significant upgrade avaliable from the current Cis player pool. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
This is sick!! Gotta love eastern europe <3 Dat Lunas ass tho ;-) | ||
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StarVe
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Barkley
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Racket
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On March 14 2016 21:27 Barkley wrote: XBOCT is not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Sure, not the best carry, but seeing the state of the CIS region, he can easily be considered top 5 at least. It's not like VP is playing that great anyway, this isn't going to make much difference unless fng was preparing hard for a online tournament. XBOCT and fng meet again... will XBOCT kick him out of VP too? | ||
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
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Faruko
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Super_Style
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1. Alohadance 2. God 3. Yoky 4. Nofear 5. Fng Id assume those are the position roles as it makes the most sense. I like yoky and aloha, i think they are an upgrade, but as NS said: "Trade-up NoFear for Lil is like two times worse than Bulba for Universe" which i can agree. Lil has got to be the best support in the CIS region for more then a year by far. I am hopeful for the new roster but i think the main problem still remains, and that is Fng, as much as it pains me to say it, its his utterly abysmal play and very questionable drafts that made VP from a top 5 team in previous patch drop to what they are now, probably the worst team on 6.86 that has 4-12 win loss ratio if im correct. | ||
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goody153
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
I have enjoyed this team since it started out as NVMI with Goblak drafts, and it was great to have a good CIS team with weird drafts and the aggressive CIS manfight style while Navi was in the dumpster. Since TI they seem to have been just puttering along at the baseline, so I kind of understand, but I think I would not call it one of my favorite teams anymore. | ||
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Barkley
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goody153
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the bear jew
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goody153
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fng vlog about the roster shuffle i can't read/write/understand russian so feel free to not trust my source but this is the overall "translation" according to the reddit thread I apologize to Lil and Phobos for kicking them 2 days before the roster lock. We had internal issues since Frankfurt Major. After the discussion I and G had, we decided that we can not continue with this roster, as the team won't be able to progress. Mostly I initiated the roster change, not my friend G, as many may have thought. All we wanted with G is an improvement of the team. I don't like ungrounded hate to my teammates. A similar situation happened in NaVi, players didn't like my picks, and I didn't want to prove them wrong and get satisfaction from it. | ||
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StarVe
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After learning about the position changes and seeing the first couple of games, I gotta say, all I'm doing is hoping they fall flat on their faces with this and get humiliated as often as possible. Maybe if they have to choke on their own egos enough times in a short while there might be enough time to shuffle around roles and still be ready for the Manila Major qualifiers. I can't see anything but 1. Alohadance 2. G 3. yoky 4. nofear 5. fng be competitive enough to achieve anything near success and considering their current results and play, I think qualifying could be considered enough of a success, sadly. If I'm proven wrong, I'll be happy. The CIS scene has been really bad ever since TI5 at the latest and it seems very likely to me that the next 4-5 months will be even worse, possibly catastrophic. The Shanghai Major was seen as terrible for the Chinese scene because of no teams in the top 8, but at least they had five teams in the tournament. The CIS scene runs a very real risk of not having any teams in the next major and subsequently TI6 if nothing changes drastically. | ||
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Barkley
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evanthebouncy!
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Barkley
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
1. Alohadance 2. G 3. yoky 4. fng 5. nofear Fng played bounty hunter, likely to play the farming support. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 17 2016 21:46 maze. wrote: They finally swapped roles in starladder qualifier against PR. 1. Alohadance 2. G 3. yoky 4. fng 5. nofear Fng played bounty hunter, likely to play the farming support. About time. | ||
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Racket
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On May 17 2016 21:46 maze. wrote: They finally swapped roles in starladder qualifier against PR. 1. Alohadance 2. G 3. yoky 4. fng 5. nofear Fng played bounty hunter, likely to play the farming support. Finally! Hope to see them get better. | ||
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DucK-
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/s | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
coulda been at Manila | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
 Seriously though, how stubborn was that kid, world class support forcing the futile offlane dream | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On May 30 2016 05:40 LemOn wrote: Ill miss FNGs offlane heroes with consistently 5 pos. Farm Seriously though, how stubborn was that kid, world class support forcing the futile offlane dream Wait FNG was the one who pushed for the weird position setup? I thought it was Yoky refusing to play offlane that caused it. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On May 30 2016 05:40 LemOn wrote: Ill miss FNGs offlane heroes with consistently 5 pos. Farm Seriously though, how stubborn was that kid, world class support forcing the futile offlane dream Yoky's stubborn refusal to play anything but carry was the reason for VP roles. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 12 2016 02:39 evanthebouncy! wrote: god this team is the best puck / drow I've ever seen... their puck play is fucking insanity winning fights that you absolutely expect they'd lose but the control they can get out of the puck pick is higher than anyone I've seen I feel like G is playing like 200% better than the other players on this team, but I'm only paying half an eye of attention to the games, so maybe I miss something. | ||
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Savatage
Italy182 Posts
On May 30 2016 16:16 a_flayer wrote: [ I feel like G is playing like 200% better than the other players on this team, but I'm only paying half an eye of attention to the games, so maybe I miss something. This is no news, G has always been by far the best player of all the VP bunch from the time he joined. | ||
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DucK-
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StarVe
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StarVe
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On May 30 2016 19:23 Savatage wrote: you're right, he's not playing his best but he's still play way better than his teammates arguable, maybe before they switched roles but imo certainly not after they did | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4lmlg1/vp_had_noone_playing_for_them_in_game_4_under/ Link: VP had Noone play on Aloha's acct "as Aloha" in official match for the summit | ||
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DucK-
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On May 30 2016 21:55 Atoissen wrote: This not good for VP if its true, and it looks like it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4lmlg1/vp_had_noone_playing_for_them_in_game_4_under/ Link: VP had Noone play on Aloha's acct "as Aloha" in official match for the summit I would disqualify VP for that. Looks like strong enough evidence. More probable then not it isn't aloha playing. Now having a standin is not prohibited. Even if we ignore noone being an invalid standin, I feel vp's lack of honesty should be punished. I'm sure adfinem wouldn't be that opposed to VP using noone under that circumstance should VP had been upfront about it. | ||
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Atoissen
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On May 30 2016 22:10 DucK- wrote: I would disqualify VP for that. Looks like strong enough evidence. More probable then not it isn't aloha playing. Now having a standin is not prohibited. Even if we ignore noone being an invalid standin, I feel vp's lack of honesty should be punished. I'm sure adfinem wouldn't be that opposed to VP using noone under that circumstance should VP had been upfront about it. I 100% agree, one thing is not following the official rules, another thing is not being honest about it. | ||
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Racket
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GOHF
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On June 01 2016 05:27 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Well, at least they can start to redeem their honor now that they're going to Starladder. And they played against Vega Squadron so they couldn't have No[o]ne that time. So I wonder who is going to Starladder now. Best of luck to the players moving forward. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On July 01 2016 06:26 the bear jew wrote: So I wonder who is going to Starladder now. Best of luck to the players moving forward. Well apparently, they're still going. They're on an unsponsored stack but have replaced fng with AlwaysWannaFly. Also, this is an older tweet, but what is a StudAnal? | ||
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Barkley
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DucK-
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Excited to see this team go against strong opponents. Hope they don't self destruct like all CIS do | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On October 27 2016 09:04 DucK- wrote: VP looks really really strong. Still have zero clue why fng and lil split. They became from 1 competent team to 2 thrash ones. Couldn't even live up to their fame of virtus throw when they get outplayed right from the start. Excited to see this team go against strong opponents. Hope they don't self destruct like all CIS do Lil is by far the more mechanically skilled one, but when the two were together their hero pool was more interchangeable. Solo seems alright playing the more throwaway support heroes, whereas CemaTheSlayer can only play throwaway supports. Since the current meta allows for some space for 4 position heroes, I don't think Fng has really adapted to that role quite yet. I've been a fan of Lil for a while now. His Visage play back in the day was awe inspiring. Nowadays, he's been doing cool things on support Slardar. Now, he's also been running Chen, Enchantress, Kunkka, Io.... I believe he also plays Arc Warden in pubs. | ||
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Barkley
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Pontual
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On October 29 2016 01:04 Barkley wrote: The effects of the VP org wanting to be serious is showing up. I believe they are even on a bootcamp, one game had them all disconecting at the same time. Hopefully they can keep up the momentum. Makes sense, didn't even remembered the CEO rage kick everyone. Nice move. | ||
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nojok
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WakaDoDo
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Gaudi
Russian Federation8 Posts
On October 31 2016 08:06 WakaDoDo wrote: Team is back :D Yeaaaa  we have been waiting for this for a long time (All CIS community) | ||
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Barkley
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GOHF
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Sheepshaman
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Go VP | ||
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LemOn
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GOHF
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the bear jew
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Pontual
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GOHF
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Lil was hoping for a payback match against EG. Didn't turn out that way though. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On November 21 2016 09:35 M.S.Bismarck wrote: (last year) https://twitter.com/FearDotA/status/676224055582724096 https://twitter.com/LilJke/status/800234702565056512 Lil was hoping for a payback match against EG. Didn't turn out that way though. They crushed it, VP looking super awesome. I guess I'll root for my love of aggressive CIS dota and root VP for them in Boston. | ||
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DucK-
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GOHF
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Racket
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Also, can someone edit the players? | ||
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
 Jokes aside, damn, they really showed up. Beautiful play! | ||
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GOHF
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Barkley
Brazil103 Posts
Also, about time the players are updated in this page no? | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
So Visage has been seeing competitive play and hopefully this will mean we'll get to see the return of the best Visage player. | ||
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DucK-
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GOHF
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So let's bring up Lil again. On TI5 VP, he was rather quiet, but now he's the most outspoken person on the team. His player profile does have quite a few lines that are typical of him, "I became who I am because of the people who didn't believe in me.", but that in turn makes it one of the more motivational profiles I've seen. | ||
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spudde123
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I think they are so capable as players that they could benefit from taking some of this attitude to even TI. Their "serious" picks have felt a bit too predictable to some extent. But of course they play them well and it's not easy to beat them even if you approximately know what they are picking, but it can also be good to change your openings completely every once in a while. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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GOHF
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nojok
France15845 Posts
They would make great TI winners if they can keep their style and the huge hero pool. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Even if there was no (major) competition in here, trashing T2 teams like that absolutely shows they're going to be a great contender at TI. They obviously won't be able to do the same thing there, but this is a tournament win to remember imo. | ||
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LemOn
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Anamorph
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VP showed their class at the summit, way ahead of the rest. | ||
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GOHF
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I lol'd. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On July 15 2017 11:24 Barkley wrote: Gotta love how VP handles their own image, you don't see other orgs doing this except maybe EG? I loved Hotbid's Liquid stuff, but he doesn't seem to be doing it anymore. | ||
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Pontual
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On August 09 2017 08:32 M.S.Bismarck wrote: I'm definitely looking forward to the revenge match against LFY. C9 fans like anime comebacks, but Lil's attitude makes me think more of a brutal reprisal: something like beating them with a hammer before executing them by emptying an AK-47's magazine into them. It is the Russian way. | ||
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Mouriner
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On September 19 2017 06:00 Mouriner wrote: Why they arent in the qualify for StarLadder i-League? Declined invite. | ||
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Racket
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Barkley
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GOHF
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Barkley
Brazil103 Posts
On a side note, I hope VP gets more direct invites, this way it helps the CIS region to grow like NA did when EG was getting invited every tournament. | ||
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TomatoBisque
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KoolyO
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Well deserved! | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Can't wait for more VP vs Liquid matches, next time it should be in a proper Bo5 Finals. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Post-victory interview, pretty fun, Solo is still completely shaken. English subs. | ||
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GOHF
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midou
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Zea!
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 , VP looks scarier than ever atm | ||
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Racket
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Congrats guys! | ||
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Julmust
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On March 11 2018 02:01 267 wrote: Think prior to the player exchange, VP was arguably the best team in the world. Then they got better. Suspect they will be back to back major champions, ggwp Stark contrast to their csgo roster that needed change a year ago and is now the laughing stock of competitive counterstrike. VP were one of the best teams this season but they knew they could be even better if they added Rodjer to the lineup. | ||
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
After checking their DPC points I'm kinda confused why they seem to only have got 112 points from their Summit victory though, maybe I'm missing something? | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On March 11 2018 09:00 BigO wrote: Gratz to them on the secured TI invite. They are really on point with their play/drafts right now. After checking their DPC points I'm kinda confused why they seem to only have got 112 points from their Summit victory though, maybe I'm missing something? Maybe it has something to do with Artstyle standing in? | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
After all it's still the most important thing by far even if they've won all that money and all those cars now. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 12 2018 07:33 StarVe wrote: Really happy about the recent form and performances. Having a team you like be dominating is pretty nice for once. Just hope they can either carry that high on forever and into TI or at least take a bit of a breather and start crushing face at TI again. After all it's still the most important thing by far even if they've won all that money and all those cars now. They'll probably take a rest for the rest of the month and experiment/scrim in the meanwhile. The team have nothing until DAC and nothing after that until EPICENTER - I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped one of the three Majors at the end of the circuit year. It's all about the glory at this point. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On March 12 2018 07:51 CosmicSpiral wrote: They'll probably take a rest for the rest of the month and experiment/scrim in the meanwhile. The team have nothing until DAC and nothing after that until EPICENTER - I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped one of the three Majors at the end of the circuit year. It's all about the glory at this point. They're going to WESG next. Well, everyone except Noone and Artstyle. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On March 12 2018 07:15 nothingmuch wrote: They're clearly ahead of everyone else at the moment. Congratulations. They are without question one of the best teams at the moment. Not quite sure they are ahead of 'everyone' Especially that last game against liquid could have gone either way... and would have been even harder for vp to win without the huskar pick. Although I don't want to take away anything from that sick highground defense bottom... that was so well played. But I feel like anyone from the bottom half of the bracket would have made for a more entertaining finals than vgj. | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On October 30 2017 16:33 midou wrote: For me personally, VP is the highest skill team in the world and has been ever since this roster was created. They have problems putting that skill to practice sometimes because of style, impatience, rage etc. When they do, though, the games look like pros vs amateurs. With hard practice, especially for late game scenarios they are unstoppable. This has always been my opinion on VP. Now they are even better with Rodjer. | ||
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nothingmuch
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On March 12 2018 18:19 sCuMBaG wrote: They are without question one of the best teams at the moment. Not quite sure they are ahead of 'everyone' Especially that last game against liquid could have gone either way... So could TLs elimination game against OG. VP looked stronger than TL for pretty much the entire tournament. Doesn't mean Liquid can't win against them but it sure means they're "ahead" for the moment. | ||
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Racket
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On March 13 2018 04:39 midou wrote: This has always been my opinion on VP. Now they are even better with Rodjer. To be honest I don't think Noone is anything out of the ordinary. He is good and that is it. I dare even say he isn't more skilled than G. His teammates.. that is another story. | ||
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Racket
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On March 14 2018 00:16 midou wrote: Well you are wrong. Maybe I am! Who knows. | ||
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Racket
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On March 14 2018 04:09 Xafnia wrote: Noone's crazy good. Him and Ramzes mesh with each other so well. That doesn't mean he is mechanically on par with Miracle or RTZ. He is good, yes, he is not extraordinary. | ||
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Racket
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On March 14 2018 09:45 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Well, the team minus NoOne is playing WESG next. I know this tournament doesn't matter in the long run; maybe we'll see them try out some goofball stuff with their standin iLTW. But it is saying something about the competition when the most threatening thing in their group is Peru. I agree, not even Team Ukraine is playing. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
On March 14 2018 05:50 Racket wrote: That doesn't mean he is mechanically on par with Miracle or RTZ. He is good, yes, he is not extraordinary. ?? noone is feared to be one of the mechanically strongest players. there are rumors floating around that miracle dodges mid when playing against VP just because of how crazy Noone is in lane. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On May 08 2018 04:53 arghyad1 wrote: After dominating most of the season they are faltering as TI comes closer. Losses to Na'vi and FlyToMoon has definitely destroyed their invincible aura. Maybe taking an off for Changsha major will freshen them up, and will give them time to try out new heroes and strategies in the new meta. The hype also probably got to them. I think their main problems post-Frankfurt have been falling back on their old hero pool and teams deliberately targeting Ramzes in the midgame. It could be remedied by giving Pasha more dominant 1v1/2v2 offlaners (Beastmaster and Veno spring to mind) to punish aggro lanes, or occasionally shifting the carry responsibilities to No[O]ne while Ramzes play utility safelane carries. | ||
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cold_flame
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arghyad1
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BigO
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cc1691
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GOHF
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cc1691
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LGD's form has been better than VP's, Not really sure why you're dismissing them? | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
For me when VP plays to there best they look like the best team in the world, can't say i get same feeling watching LGD. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On June 03 2018 10:04 cc1691 wrote: Doesn't LGD have a superior head to head over VP in the last 5 months? Yes, but those games are hardly proof of LGD being a superior team. They won the first series off the most YOLO Dark Rift imaginable, then took the second by abusing Slark's reemergence. They have largely looked even thanks to LGD's impeccable lane pressure canceling out VP's primary strength. | ||
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cc1691
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On June 03 2018 13:16 CosmicSpiral wrote: Yes, but those games are hardly proof of LGD being a superior team. They won the first series off the most YOLO Dark Rift imaginable, then took the second by abusing Slark's reemergence. They have largely looked even thanks to LGD's impeccable lane pressure canceling out VP's primary strength. I never said LGD was vastly superior. I was just arguing against this - Feels like at this point, VP's biggest enemy is themselves (it has probably been like that for a while). If they play at their best, no team can beat them. I feel like people here don't give Chinese teams the credit they deserve just because they're Chinese. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 04 2018 00:15 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: VP are amazing at stomping lesser teams I grant you. They are probably the best team in the world as well, but LGD, liquid and possibly Secret can still easily beat them in a series I think. Agreed VG for me is the best at topform, but all these teams have shown that they can win if they figured out meta and are topform, would also throw in Minesky, possible VG and Newbie. Regarding that Chinese teams are not so high regraded is that they have EARNED an reputation of being boring with there play style for years. Also they have been really up and down this year and non of them have looked good for longer period of time. But guess that is true of most teams. | ||
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cc1691
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On June 01 2018 11:33 BigO wrote: Feels like at this point, VP's biggest enemy is themselves (it has probably been like that for a while). If they play at their best, no team can beat them. 2-0 vs lgd lmao | ||
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GOHF
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cc1691
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On June 10 2018 14:25 M.S.Bismarck wrote: See? LGD are beatable. Of course they're beatable, who claimed they're not? | ||
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GOHF
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DucK-
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Plainisgoode
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On August 19 2018 03:10 Plainisgoode wrote: What is happening with the boys? They look somehow scared. They always lose their draft, Noone is outplayed almost every game, and their teamfight is disastrous. Their team fight is still top-tier. This is especially apparent in their wonkier drafts, where they can eek out triumphs despite lacking stuns and AoE damage. The biggest issue seems to be they haven't figured out which cores their supports should prioritize assisting in the early game and how to construct their drafts outside of winning lanes. Ramzes is playing so loose and reckless in the laning stage he often feeds with overly aggressive dives. No[O]ne is all but abandoned in mid; the supports are oscillating between playing greedy and harassing enemy carries, so rotations are non-existent. Pasha being put on these pseudo-initiators/DPS heroes that aren't true semi-carries and can't front-line for the other two carries. | ||
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Plainisgoode
Serbia20 Posts
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Those drafts will bite you in the main event so please take it seriously, i really want VP vs Liquid finals. The fans deserve the show. | ||
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Plainisgoode
Serbia20 Posts
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Plainisgoode
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Powlean
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On August 21 2018 10:07 Powlean wrote: Trash, really, i don't know. They can play better, but i am crying, it was my favourite team. Why the past tense? They still exist. I took the day off of work tomorrow so I can stay up watching bo1s tonight. Plus now I can watch them butcher Mineski tomorrow. | ||
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Plainisgoode
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PandaRed
France58 Posts
They can still do it. | ||
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Plainisgoode
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Plainisgoode
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
Just sorta like this song: | ||
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gulati
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Caladbolg
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On August 24 2018 12:02 Caladbolg wrote: Man, the VP at TI prophecy is still real. No it isn't. There's no such things as prophecies or curses. Those are what we would call superstitions. Solo even said when LGD beat them that they weren't comfortable with the TI meta. A lot of the big heroes they picked over the season like Beastmaster or Sand King aren't very good right now. They were able to fight the good fight and force their way back to top 6, but it didn't look completely pretty. It's already been announced that the team is sticking around for the next season though. Looking forward to seeing them back again. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
VP was THE favorite before TI (maybe alongside Liquid). If they couldn't adapt to the TI meta as fast as the other teams could, then as sad as it sounds for a VP fan, they failed expectations. Top 6 is an amazing feat for most teams, but VP was built to win TI, and for most of the year they proved they could. Is that a choke? It depends on how you view things, but from the perspective of competition, they played below their game-dominating standard. The final major tournament before TI saw them at the grand finals, so they weren't on a downswing. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
I still think the meta/patch should be stable for a season, these huge (typical) changes before TI can make or break teams, even some like VP See Wings, they never played that much before and after TI, but they understood the meta and destroyed everyone in their path to TI6, ezpz. | ||
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Pontual
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Caladbolg
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On August 24 2018 21:01 Pontual wrote: Eh, i actually like seeing a meta evolving during TI, and it creates the feeling that everyone can beat each other when the meta isn't completely figured out. I see your point though, just don't find it fun to watch/play at all. Agreed. A stale meta would mean that it's all about execution and getting the OP heroes before the other team. I like the chaos of a new meta right before TI. It rewards adaptability to the old meta, or just extremely skilled execution of an obsolete meta. Either is highly entertaining. And it's also makes those amazing stories of underdog runs, or zany cheese strats that much more probable. | ||
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Plainisgoode
Serbia20 Posts
Still, they will stick together, and hopefully be stronger than ever, This just wasn't their year. Stay strong VP, you will get it next year. | ||
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Plainisgoode
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Powlean
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On August 21 2018 12:24 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Why the past tense? They still exist. I took the day off of work tomorrow so I can stay up watching bo1s tonight. Plus now I can watch them butcher Mineski tomorrow. I am really sad about CIS dota, for what VP need first place in DPC, if they can't reach even top 3 at the international? Why 5 month old stack Winstrike can reach top 9, but professional team VP that dominated all season reach only top 6? | ||
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nuketurnal2
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Faruko
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Rojer and Zayac from Navi play a lot of Techies as well, Techies was first ban vs Navi in the TI quals. Also why is there no post in this thread for 1 year, lol?? | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 24 2019 04:11 midou wrote: Also why is there no post in this thread for 1 year, lol?? teams that aren't Liquid/EG don't have much of a fanbase on LD And the forum has been slower in general the past few years it feels | ||
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Julmust
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CosmicSpiral
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Plainisgoode
Serbia20 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
In many ways it's worse, because liquid was consistently not getting the results then wanted, but VP had a decent season other than at TI, so they have more to lose. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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Sapaio
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spacecoke
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
I heard prodigy beat main team before this tournament, so they decided to let them play. | ||
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Rufus Dupres
Germany1071 Posts
VP goes inactive! | ||
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