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On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves.
Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok.
That was done by banana if anyone is curious.
EDIT: ok he didn't specifically name a person when he did that. He was very vague about who his statement was aimed at.
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On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves. Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok. That was done by banana if anyone is curious.
even with that counter-example, i think it was in retaliation to chuan offending banana's friend, zhou, by publicly calling him a burden (plus a lot more happened behind the scenes that we're not privy to). sure he could have chosen different insults, but it wasn't something random or unprovoked.
and while yes, rumours are rumours, the impression i get is that it's fairly widely known and not denied, and a drug ring is certainly of more concern than nationalism or xenophobia
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On July 11 2014 19:33 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves. Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok. That was done by banana if anyone is curious. even with that counter-example, i think it was in retaliation to chuan offending banana's friend, zhou, by calling him a burden. sure he could have chosen different insults, but it wasn't something random or unprovoked. and while yes, rumours are rumours, the impression i get is that it's fairly widely known and not denied, and a drug ring is certainly of more concern than nationalism or xenophobia
Two wrongs do not make a right. Considering the attitude of communist countries towards drugs either these rumours are not true or the owner of DK is ridiculously connected. Honestly it doesn't really matter because I support the DK players who are nice to fans. Newbie could be the most organisations on earth but thier players are just racist assholes and they don't even try to hide it. I am aware that other players use to be assholes as well but the difference is that they matured so people got over it, I would do the same for Newbie only when that happens.
And yes I'm well aware that players from other teams like Chuan, is hated for good reason but thats just a strawman argument.
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On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves. Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok. That was done by banana if anyone is curious. EDIT: ok he didn't specifically name a person when he did that. He was very vague about who his statement was aimed at.
There were dozens of worse tweets by western players, with your logic most of western scene shouldn't be tolerated too.
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eh if those attitudes are a concern for you, you probably should hate 95% of chinese teams, fans, personalities and players (at least the ones in mainland china) because i assure you many share the same sentiments. nationalism, xenophobia, racism, whatever you call it. just go onto any chinese forum and you'll see netizens flaming everyone for everything, and that most anti-nationalism flamers aren't mainland chinese but rather foreign chinese speakers.
newbee's case is just the most well-publicised to the western world, in part because hao is one of the most outspoken chinese players. i myself am south east asian (vietnamese) and am well aware of such attitudes, but it's just part of their upbringing and culture, while western countries are more politically correct. and even then, it's not exactly uncommon for western players/personalities/fans to portray similar attitudes too.
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Let's not beat on a dead horse - the xenophobia issues are passe, the non scrim issues were disproven... But now what the heck is this i hear about internal (physical) fighting? Any info on who's involved? Reddit claimed it was between hao and xiao8. Do they have any history of bad blood? This will either wake them up (and lead to a top 3 finish) or break them imo.
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i dno, i don't think much is/was known, especially from overhearing valve staff talk casually about it. i hope they clear their issues, they start off today with two relatively easier games so hopefully things get fixed there.
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well there is alot of pressure on all the teams and im pretty sure many people thought that newbee would do alot better than this
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Two wrongs do not make a right. Considering the attitude of communist countries towards drugs either these rumours are not true or the owner of DK is ridiculously connected...
Hypocrite as Hell.
I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy Tweeted: Slay the Chinese
This remark itself is 100 times more Racist and Deserve Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community
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Ya, why I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy Tweeted Slayed the Chinese
This remark itself is 100 times more Racist, and Deserved Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community
Is it Ok in the future...
If another Racist player Tweet: Slay the Whites, or Kill the Jews??
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On July 11 2014 22:44 Les Lau wrote:Show nested quote +
Two wrongs do not make a right. Considering the attitude of communist countries towards drugs either these rumours are not true or the owner of DK is ridiculously connected...
Ya, why I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy tweeted Slayed the Chinese This remark itself is 100 times more Racist, and Deserved Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community!
lol so racist 
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ok you guys are right beating a dead horse so I win't reply after this.
On July 11 2014 19:49 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:31 TrainSamurai wrote:On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. eh it's just the most publicised, you might be surprised at the general attitude of most chinese teams, players and fans, this nationalism is prevalent in all of east/south-east asia. there's a lot of dirt on almost everyone, this is just the one that's the most well known. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable. it's also a bit rich when the SEA fans who are the most offended by the controversy half a year ago are also part of very nationalistic countries and tendencies themselves. Rumours are rumours. Newbie has done some retarded shit. e.g Going on weibo and publicly calling people malaysian dogs should not be tolerated. Just because someone else has done worse doesn't make it ok. That was done by banana if anyone is curious. EDIT: ok he didn't specifically name a person when he did that. He was very vague about who his statement was aimed at. There were dozens of worse tweets by western players, with your logic most of western scene shouldn't be tolerated too.
Yea they shouldn't....
On July 11 2014 20:40 Caladbolg wrote:
Let's not beat on a dead horse - the xenophobia issues are passe, the non scrim issues were disproven... But now what the heck is this i hear about internal (physical) fighting? Any info on who's involved? Reddit claimed it was between hao and xiao8. Do they have any history of bad blood? This will either wake them up (and lead to a top 3 finish) or break them imo.
DK came to US early to get more scrim partners. Them apologising was just to diffuse the situation at the time. Watch recent interviews, even Arteezy confirmed.
On July 11 2014 22:51 Les Lau wrote:Show nested quote +
Ya, why I don't see as many ppl complain when Arteezy Tweeted Slayed the Chinese
This remark itself is 100 times more Racist, and Deserved Serious Respond from Valve & Dota Community
Is it Ok in the future... If another Racist player Tweet: Slay the Whites, or Kill the Jews??
Are you kidding me? This is the best you could come up with.?
On July 11 2014 19:51 opterown wrote:
eh if those attitudes are a concern for you, you probably should hate 95% of chinese teams, fans, personalities and players (at least the ones in mainland china) because i assure you many share the same sentiments. nationalism, xenophobia, racism, whatever you call it. just go onto any chinese forum and you'll see netizens flaming everyone for everything, and that most anti-nationalism flamers aren't mainland chinese but rather foreign chinese speakers.
newbee's case is just the most well-publicised to the western world, in part because hao is one of the most outspoken chinese players. i myself am south east asian (vietnamese) and am well aware of such attitudes, but it's just part of their upbringing and culture, while western countries are more politically correct. and even then, it's not exactly uncommon for western players/personalities/fans to portray similar attitudes too.
Yea I know I've been following scene for a long time and even remember way back to when there was a rumour that Chuan wanted burning's girlfriend. These attitudes are usually prevalent in the more uneducated populations, hell mainland chinese people hate each other.
I won't reply anymore since I realise it seems like im flaming team in thier thread.
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yeah and EG refused DK scrims as well i heard rofl
and in terms of dead horses this entire argument is done over all the time, we don't get anything that changes anyone's opinions if you're already set on believing what you already do
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On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl
have u seen how luo played vs NaviNA. walks into chronosphere throws game. if that was actually an important elim match how could you not get mad at that and his play during the iG drama days were much much worse.
and how chuan called zhou a burden. zhou knew he was the burden, theres a reason hes retired now and only casting cuz he knows his days are over. speaking ones mind is very different from just flaming/actual fighting.
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On July 11 2014 19:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:On July 11 2014 16:57 opterown wrote:On July 11 2014 14:52 HighTimeDotA wrote:
too much ego, these kids need to grow up. stop making the chinese look bad kkthx. hey, so speaks the iG fan, whose team is much more known for infighting and egos rofl Hey at least iG don't have the worst jingoists in their team. for example, DK is rumoured to be a front for a drug ring, which isn't exactly respectable.
I realize I'm ignoring the whole xenophobia thing which is the main point, because I'm already aware this is a thing in parts of China, but really? DK might be a front for a drug ring? That's kind of crazy.
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On July 12 2014 02:08 HighTimeDotA wrote:
and how chuan called zhou a burden. zhou knew he was the burden, theres a reason hes retired now and only casting cuz he knows his days are over. speaking ones mind is very different from just flaming/actual fighting.
Chuan and Zhou actually had a history of infighting far worse than any of the recent drama. At several points it got bad enough where Chuan refused to appear on stage with the rest of the team for the award ceremonies at certain tournaments (such as NGF 2012). It's actually quite conceivable that Chuan's comment was meant to be malicious given the background of the two players, and not just "speaking his mind".
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How did NB play against NaVi.us?
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On July 12 2014 06:09 yotis wrote:
How did NB play against NaVi.us?
they steamrolled them. mu played an excellent brewmaster
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On July 12 2014 01:23 opterown wrote:
yeah and EG refused DK scrims as well i heard rofl
and in terms of dead horses this entire argument is done over all the time, we don't get anything that changes anyone's opinions if you're already set on believing what you already do
EG went 4 - 1 against DK in scrims.
Dunno where u heard your stuff from.
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On July 12 2014 11:11 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:23 opterown wrote:
yeah and EG refused DK scrims as well i heard rofl
and in terms of dead horses this entire argument is done over all the time, we don't get anything that changes anyone's opinions if you're already set on believing what you already do EG went 4 - 1 against DK in scrims. Dunno where u heard your stuff from.
Chinese forums said 71 gave an interview and said EG stopped playing with DK.. but I haven't seen this "interview" itself. I think rumors are that liquid played a lot with dk
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