EPTI think I'm somewhat relieved that the grand final streak is over. It was bound to happen one day and every tournament will be easier right now. I cannot imagine what kind of pressure our lovely guys might have felt those last weeks.
Love you navi!
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
I think I'm somewhat relieved that the grand final streak is over. It was bound to happen one day and every tournament will be easier right now. I cannot imagine what kind of pressure our lovely guys might have felt those last weeks. Love you navi! | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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nilminus
Greece4 Posts
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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drusalnik
Bulgaria133 Posts
They need to adjust and start playing a lot more heroes, saying they didn't get heroes in their comfort zone is a bad excuse you play in the biggest tournament in pro-gaming you should not have "WEAK HEROES/HEROES OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE". There will be some sort of change in Na'Vi. Also did you guys watched the presentation of the team? Saying they play and practice while in interviews before the BTS wich was 1month before Ti4 Kuroky said that navi do not practice and hasn't had a practiced schedule since almost last Ti-3. As much as i like the team they have only them self's to blame with these results. Same goes for the Alliance if you think i'm been 2 harsh on them take a look a round and i also have a feeling DK gonna follow the same path as well even tough DK-personal skill is what keeps them in the game not their drafts and huge practice hours. It is quite obvious when you see the impact of newbee for example even when they lose fights/towers they still find openings in other lanes and push a head or at least keep toe to toe with their foes. You do not see anything like that in today's navi squad .Oh well at least the pressure is of them now and they can maybe think properly what they are going to do for the upcoming year. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
I 100% expected it given there performance. It just doesn't seem there year. They have been GOD awful this patch, can anyone of us have expected anything this year? I do not believe they have internal issues. (Only dumbasses with no way to prove it say it) They just.. seem bored with this patch. It's a miracle already that they made to top 8 (which is the reason why I'm happy because I thought Alliance and Na'Vi would switch positions.) Newbee said it yesterday, to play your own game. I'm have been having a hard time this patch understanding why Puppey just doesn't DO that instead of keep trying to force the meta on Na'Vi when it's clearly not there style of play. I don't know, I think change is coming for them sooner or later because just isn't acceptable for me. I'm not upset, I'm just more confused on what they are trying to do. | ||
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Vankuga
Panama2005 Posts
I wish they stay together and practice and improve but i see also big chance of 1 or 2 leaving the team. This is a big wake up call for the members of Na'Vi that weren't giving their 100% to practice and the game as a team. The thing is tho, who replace those that leave. Hope to see Na'Vi in good shape at TI5 | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On July 20 2014 05:25 Kishin2 wrote: Man, not sure why Puppey never picked Slardar for XBOCT. It's a hero that should fit him perfectly. This is one of the only issues with Puppey. He is the end of all when it comes to picks. He does it, maybe he gets some insight or what not from the others but he at the end chooses regardless. But enough of that. Lets just see what will happen with them after TI4. It should be noted Na'Vi has gone into every TI until TI4 with a different line-up. They didn't do it this year... so that's something... | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
If the meta shows some heroes as the best they must practice them and crack them, for their own sake. I want the enemy team to fear them. How come Xboct performed like that with Brew? he seemed lost, completely lost. How come Funn1k's Doom inspire no fear at all like he does with Batrider. In short, their are feared for two or maybe three heroes each, and this patch half those heroes are quite in the shadows. In terms of draft they seemed to had the lowerhand most times, always playing catch up, struggling or trying to execute strategies they can't, like split push. Man they lost TI3 to split push and still they can't execute it. I hope this turns into an argument that leads them to improve their hero pool, their strategy pool and a sustained performance over the whole year instead of some flashes here and there until TI5 comes and we again are rooting for some nightmare that many see coming and avoid it by just staying awake. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Their continually uninspiring support rotations are the most frustrating bit for me. | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:52 Racket wrote: How come Funn1k's Doom inspire no fear at all like he does with Batrider. ok let's make something perfectly clear, after TI3, I don't remember what finals that was, only thing I can remember was online finals Funnik rofl stomped I think over Alliance with DOOM going I don't know what ridiculous numbers in that game, so certainly this example is not fitting what we have on our hands here, DOOM is still considered top pick so it's got squat to do with the new meta some other examples, HVOST, I haven't seen him on heroes like lifestealer, weaver etc like forever, Newbee makes it work why not Na'Vi, why not Puppey eh is the real question here ? | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
 I'm still proud to support the team | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On July 20 2014 09:27 Nikto wrote: ok let's make something perfectly clear, after TI3, I don't remember what finals that was, only thing I can remember was online finals Funnik rofl stomped I think over Alliance with DOOM going I don't know what ridiculous numbers in that game, so certainly this example is not fitting what we have on our hands here, DOOM is still considered top pick so it's got squat to do with the new meta some other examples, HVOST, I haven't seen him on heroes like lifestealer, weaver etc like forever, Newbee makes it work why not Na'Vi, why not Puppey eh is the real question here ? Ok, maybe I am not clear enough. Wehn Puppey picks Batrider we all know "ohh f*ck, here comes Funn1k", when he picks Doom you may think different but in the last month I only could think "mmm ok, lets give it a try". This is just because when you see how others perform with Doom compared to Funn1k, their regularity is far better than his. Man, they zoned out Doom the last match and EE found his way around, when Funn1k got zoned out he just had no impact at all. I am not against any of the members, maybe it would be nice if Puppey didn't sound so jerk in every interview, throwing jokes that feel like insults. But I don't think that has anything to do with the game itself, its just his personality. My feelings tell me that they can do, on top of what they do in their particular way, all what the other players can do. And that for me means that they can be the best as long as they want to and dedicate themselves. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
And that's maybe the problem. The skill level in DotA2 rose so much since TI3! The "normal meta" is so high! That's why the Chinese are that good: They are good at getting their "basics" to near perfection. And that's why NaVi was always a force to reckon with! They were/are the "gods of surprises" and could force other teams out of their comfort zone what they are good at (so we are back to: "Play your OWN game and don't let the other team push you to playing THEIR game"!). And I think NaVi are trying to get "normal" play also a lot higher. And they are not succeeding! That's not, because they are bad. I don't think any team right now could be "perfect" in their basic meta game and totally unpredictable at the same time! And maybe there never will, because it's near impossible! And so NaVi are a little between the tables: They try to compete on "boring" and basic meta game, but the Chinese (and also a few teams outside CH) are plain better at that! But because of the high skill level also their unpredictable play must be on point! And they can't do it every time! In SC:BW you had the skill levels in letters. I think the Chinese are A+ in basics and maybe B in surprising strategies. And NaVi is "just" A in both. And the difference between A and A+ can make the difference! | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On July 20 2014 07:33 HaXxorIzed wrote: Their continually uninspiring support rotations are the most frustrating bit for me. NaVi has supports? Hmm, maybe kky is kind of a support, but ppy was less that a creep the whole tournament imo. | ||
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Archeon
3266 Posts
On July 20 2014 07:33 HaXxorIzed wrote: Navi were apparently winning scrims with XBOCT Brewmaster at the event. I don't think the issue is as much "can x player play x hero" as "Can the team as a whole play around these heroes well". The complete lack of practice as a team this year really showed through their lack of confidence in executing many heroes/strategies that are strong this patch on top of their own "style". Their continually uninspiring support rotations are the most frustrating bit for me. I totally agree. Whoever makes the calls has to get a lot better. They lost game 3 against c9 because c9's rotations were so much better. I feel that most of their losses are because they loose the early game hard. I dont even think that the patch is that bad to navi as the one in which alliance won ti3. I mean sure, Dendi's hero pool doesnt really work this patch, but China is drafting a lot of push strats which navi is traditionally good at and c9 ganked them to death, which is something navi is traditionally good at as well. It's rat dota they are bad at, which is really bad this patch. On July 20 2014 20:26 FreakyDroid wrote: NaVi has supports? Hmm, maybe kky is kind of a support, but ppy was less that a creep the whole tournament imo. To be fair, Puppey played amazingly well in the second game against c9 and won the mid-lane in the first game. That being said their rotations are still underwhelming. | ||
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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