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On October 12 2015 18:51 Gevna wrote:
I hope they now split and are forced out of their comfort zone in new teams. It's just impossible to lead them whoever might be the captain, The decision making displayed in Navi for 2 years now is beyond awful, and this is not the captain's fault (even tho PSM did not show anything very good). The 3 cores are just too established as Navi stars while their game understanding seems to be very far behind the new top players. They might become tier 1 player again in new teams, where their voices wont matter as much as in Navi.
Thats my opinion, I have no doubt that Dendi and Hvost are still mecanically tier 1 player (I have a fair share of doubts about Funnik, even tho he played decent in this qualifier), but they are lacking way too much in other departments (the actual important things in Dota). And it doesn't feel they will fix this by staying together in Navi, where the captain role is already creepled before whoever takes it.
I always though Funnik is an excellent individual player with a great potential. Probably any EU team would grab him skillwise. He needs a team with clear goals and skill to be motivated again. Unless he thinks Navi as a retirement plan.
Dendi & XBOX are "mechanically behind" of what T1 teams currently have. New surge of players and pubstars show immense mechanical prowess, I believe cannot be matched by those guys.
I can safely say, T1 mid players(S4-God, Sumail etc..) would crush Dendi both in 1v1 and beyond(game impact). Probably I can say similar even worse things for him. Dota evolved too much since they dominate the scene (till TI3 maybe) and they still play dota like they played years ago.
I see no hope and ambition from those guys and probably fall out of the scene in time since they don't provide that much to the brand and sponsors as they did previously.
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On October 12 2015 20:55 Sardinemn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 20:25 Alcor wrote:
Navi wont change till Dendi and Xboct part into different ways. the problem is not the mechanics, but the fact that the 2 core players are together from a lot of time, and their tactics are unchanged:
xboct picks a hard carry: he'll disappear till min 30 afk farming. meanwhile dendy will carry the team. so shut down Dendi to win midgame
xboct picks a semi-carry: na'vi wants to fight and win midgame. so gank xboct as much as possible and ignore dendi, win midgame-lategame
oh and there's another problem. Xboct aggressive tactics are so well known that teams lately are
baiting A LOT na'vi into ez ganks, knowing that xboct in particular can dive a tower for a kill without much thinking, and dendy WILL follow him to help.
if i can see this with my poor game knoweledge, imagine what pros can see in a duo that is unchanged from years U have some points the main is HVOST should be more flexible. TRUE. But the main problem Navi has is Dendi is too strongheaded like a mule, he wont accept a captain, he wont listen to him he will question PSM's calls he questioned Art Style too. And thats deadly.
And that is coming from the guy who is present every game NaVi plays, hearing what they say and knowing what they feel, right? How do you even state such things?
IIRC Dendi was the only one, or one of the few, who wanted ArtStyle to stay after TI5, so I don't know where do you get your info, please link the source so we can all easily agree on that.
On October 12 2015 21:15 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 18:51 Gevna wrote:
I hope they now split and are forced out of their comfort zone in new teams. It's just impossible to lead them whoever might be the captain, The decision making displayed in Navi for 2 years now is beyond awful, and this is not the captain's fault (even tho PSM did not show anything very good). The 3 cores are just too established as Navi stars while their game understanding seems to be very far behind the new top players. They might become tier 1 player again in new teams, where their voices wont matter as much as in Navi.
Thats my opinion, I have no doubt that Dendi and Hvost are still mecanically tier 1 player (I have a fair share of doubts about Funnik, even tho he played decent in this qualifier), but they are lacking way too much in other departments (the actual important things in Dota). And it doesn't feel they will fix this by staying together in Navi, where the captain role is already creepled before whoever takes it. I always though Funnik is an excellent individual player with a great potential. Probably any EU team would grab him skillwise. He needs a team with clear goals and skill to be motivated again. Unless he thinks Navi as a retirement plan. Dendi & XBOX are "mechanically behind" of what T1 teams currently have. New surge of players and pubstars show immense mechanical prowess, I believe cannot be matched by those guys. I can safely say, T1 mid players(S4-God, Sumail etc..) would crush Dendi both in 1v1 and beyond(game impact). Probably I can say similar even worse things for him. Dota evolved too much since they dominate the scene (till TI3 maybe) and they still play dota like they played years ago. I see no hope and ambition from those guys and probably fall out of the scene in time since they don't provide that much to the brand and sponsors as they did previously.
Pointless comparisons, s4 was deemed crap after Secret crashed and burned and now he is T1 and on par with Sumail, wth?
When a team is doing good most of its players look good, some more, some less, depending on the impact they have. On the contrary, when a team plays crap everyone make the safe call and point fingers at the so supposed star of the team.
You can see that with Messi in Argentine, he is always to blame even when there are ten more players, then you put him on a functioning team like Barcelona and oh all of a sudden he is the best when the only thing that didn't change was Messi.
I am pretty sure you can move any of these 3 cores to another "functioning" team and they will start showing they are on par with any player.
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On October 12 2015 20:55 Sardinemn wrote:
U have some points the main is HVOST should be more flexible. TRUE.
But the main problem Navi has is Dendi is too strongheaded like a mule, he wont accept a captain, he wont listen to him he will question PSM's calls he questioned Art Style too. And thats deadly.
i'm not blaming Xboct, i'm blaming a relationship between 2 skilled players that has lasted too long and gives no sign of some change (that is clearly needed).
they are both faulty in this, and i think this is the true problem; not the capt, not the mechanics, not the hunger for wins. navu has 2 cores foxilized into a game tactic of mutual assist that is too old and well known, and therefore is too much exploitable
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On October 12 2015 17:02 RubickPicker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 16:44 BillGates wrote:
Guys, Artstyle won't come back. Why would he? He got kicked, why would he come back to the team that kicked him? Artstyle is already back as Navi's sub player, at least until the transaction window opens again.
Kinda funny, but even though they announced him as a sub, they didn't actually add him to the valve-official sub list.
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On October 12 2015 15:39 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 15:33 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 15:21 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 04:13 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 03:11 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 00:54 Bisu-Fan wrote:
This last draft epitomizes Na'Vi's struggles. Last draft was: "everyone, what do you wanna play?" -> "pudge, clock, beastmaster, ww, whatever" They new they had no chance and they gave no f*cks about the other teams. Or do you really believe they were executing some planned strat? Didn't you see how they teamfighted everytime anywhere, 3v5, 4v5, etc? Umm. He was referring to the Silencer Razor Axe Tusk Undying draft. Well.. last draft means last draft, I cannot know that unless the post was made before that game and I cared looking at that. If so, all good, nothing to say about that draft. On October 12 2015 05:29 caiovigg wrote:
Dendi is not a good mid on this meta. That's a fact. He can win the CS battle, but he always ends roaming around the map looking for flashy plays instead of farming. I think he would be more successful playing offlane or even support I don't know how people state such a thing when the whole team has no direction. If we blame Dendi we can also blame Funnik and PSM because none of those excelled this last 16 games. Some had bad games (even Sonneiko), some had acceptable games, but with a team which has no direction at all, questionable drafts and undecipherable strategy, how can someone say X player doesn't fit the meta? How do you know Dendi is playing the way he does on his own instead of out of a captain command? I will ask again, how many mid champions currently strong in this meta is Dendi not able to play? Haha yea he made that post prior to the pudge game. Again like xboct, I don't quite blame dendi because he doesn't get supported well enough, or is given hard match ups, or simply expected to do too much. I blame psm the most because his drafts have been crap, and navi has been clueless in his leadership. Food for thought: seeing how many captains have been recruited and kicked, is it really a captaining problem??? Just sayin...
I can't even believe people legitimately think the problem is the captain. If they had only some tier 5 captains OK, maybe the problem is the captain, but they had THE 2 BEST CAPTAINS OF THE ENTIRE EU SCENE. Puppey couldn't make the team work in the end, he left, they got FNG who couldn't make the team work and got kicked. Puppey made the best EU team in the scene and FNG managed to make a team with some CIS rejects be the best team in the CIS scene, and after the fusion with VP the best EU team in TI.
But obviously the problem is the captain, every captain drafting like shit in Navi is obviously because the captain is shit, not because the hero pool of the players is not that good lol
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On October 13 2015 03:41 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 15:39 Furikawari wrote:On October 12 2015 15:33 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 15:21 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 04:13 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 03:11 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 00:54 Bisu-Fan wrote:
This last draft epitomizes Na'Vi's struggles. Last draft was: "everyone, what do you wanna play?" -> "pudge, clock, beastmaster, ww, whatever" They new they had no chance and they gave no f*cks about the other teams. Or do you really believe they were executing some planned strat? Didn't you see how they teamfighted everytime anywhere, 3v5, 4v5, etc? Umm. He was referring to the Silencer Razor Axe Tusk Undying draft. Well.. last draft means last draft, I cannot know that unless the post was made before that game and I cared looking at that. If so, all good, nothing to say about that draft. On October 12 2015 05:29 caiovigg wrote:
Dendi is not a good mid on this meta. That's a fact. He can win the CS battle, but he always ends roaming around the map looking for flashy plays instead of farming. I think he would be more successful playing offlane or even support I don't know how people state such a thing when the whole team has no direction. If we blame Dendi we can also blame Funnik and PSM because none of those excelled this last 16 games. Some had bad games (even Sonneiko), some had acceptable games, but with a team which has no direction at all, questionable drafts and undecipherable strategy, how can someone say X player doesn't fit the meta? How do you know Dendi is playing the way he does on his own instead of out of a captain command? I will ask again, how many mid champions currently strong in this meta is Dendi not able to play? Haha yea he made that post prior to the pudge game. Again like xboct, I don't quite blame dendi because he doesn't get supported well enough, or is given hard match ups, or simply expected to do too much. I blame psm the most because his drafts have been crap, and navi has been clueless in his leadership. Food for thought: seeing how many captains have been recruited and kicked, is it really a captaining problem??? Just sayin... I can't even believe people legitimately think the problem is the captain. If they had only some tier 5 captains OK, maybe the problem is the captain, but they had THE 2 BEST CAPTAINS OF THE ENTIRE EU SCENE. Puppey couldn't make the team work in the end, he left, they got FNG who couldn't make the team work and got kicked. Puppey made the best EU team in the scene and FNG managed to make a team with some CIS rejects be the best team in the CIS scene, and after the fusion with VP the best EU team in TI. But obviously the problem is the captain, every captain drafting like shit in Navi is obviously because the captain is shit, not because the hero pool of the players is not that good lol
I don't think that the captain is the problem. But you can definitely argue that Puppey doesn't count since the team was just broken at TI4 (and still reached top 8). Then they welcomed FNG with a really bad mindset. They were just expecting to still be the number 1 team in the world and got disappointed. Later they expressed regrets about their behaviour toward FNG.
Anyway it doesn't matter since they also showed glimpse of good dota with Goblak and Artstyle, but kept behaving with their 2011-2013 mindset, which desperatly led to awful choke, tilt, disrespecting their leadership, and ruining any possibilty of performance (TI5 groupstage was mostly them coming way to overconfident and then choking harder game after game, they could have done better).
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The problem isn't the captain in the sense of draft, the problem is the captain in the sense of team cohesion.
Look at a team like CDEC: their drafter only became captain a few months after Maybe left, both Q and Aggressif/Xiaohong had been on the team from the very beginning and a lot of time was spent in the junk tier with Maybe trying to carry the other four. It's not that Maybe was holding the team down, or that Q was secretly a genius captain the whole time. They simply had a different person calling the shots and played better for it.
That's why a lot of people want to see Sonneiko be captain. What's the worst that can happen? It fails, and he leaves. But if things don't improve, he leaves anyway. But NaVi would have to get over the egos that drove FNG out of the team, and recognize that other old TI1 captains like Fear have trusted in newer players and turned their career around from it.
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I mean at this point I don't even think it's a debate, there's no way the captain/supports are the problem.
If Na'VI wants to become a relevant competitive team the core has to be blown up.
If the organization wants to continue cashing in off the never ending popularity of Dendi and co that's fine, but they won't ever be a top team again. Switching captains endlessly has done nothing, and will do nothing. Even Puppey magically coming back to captain wouldn't turn this team into a t1 team.
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On October 13 2015 03:41 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2015 15:39 Furikawari wrote:On October 12 2015 15:33 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 15:21 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 04:13 DucK- wrote:On October 12 2015 03:11 Racket wrote:On October 12 2015 00:54 Bisu-Fan wrote:
This last draft epitomizes Na'Vi's struggles. Last draft was: "everyone, what do you wanna play?" -> "pudge, clock, beastmaster, ww, whatever" They new they had no chance and they gave no f*cks about the other teams. Or do you really believe they were executing some planned strat? Didn't you see how they teamfighted everytime anywhere, 3v5, 4v5, etc? Umm. He was referring to the Silencer Razor Axe Tusk Undying draft. Well.. last draft means last draft, I cannot know that unless the post was made before that game and I cared looking at that. If so, all good, nothing to say about that draft. On October 12 2015 05:29 caiovigg wrote:
Dendi is not a good mid on this meta. That's a fact. He can win the CS battle, but he always ends roaming around the map looking for flashy plays instead of farming. I think he would be more successful playing offlane or even support I don't know how people state such a thing when the whole team has no direction. If we blame Dendi we can also blame Funnik and PSM because none of those excelled this last 16 games. Some had bad games (even Sonneiko), some had acceptable games, but with a team which has no direction at all, questionable drafts and undecipherable strategy, how can someone say X player doesn't fit the meta? How do you know Dendi is playing the way he does on his own instead of out of a captain command? I will ask again, how many mid champions currently strong in this meta is Dendi not able to play? Haha yea he made that post prior to the pudge game. Again like xboct, I don't quite blame dendi because he doesn't get supported well enough, or is given hard match ups, or simply expected to do too much. I blame psm the most because his drafts have been crap, and navi has been clueless in his leadership. Food for thought: seeing how many captains have been recruited and kicked, is it really a captaining problem??? Just sayin... I can't even believe people legitimately think the problem is the captain. If they had only some tier 5 captains OK, maybe the problem is the captain, but they had THE 2 BEST CAPTAINS OF THE ENTIRE EU SCENE. Puppey couldn't make the team work in the end, he left, they got FNG who couldn't make the team work and got kicked. Puppey made the best EU team in the scene and FNG managed to make a team with some CIS rejects be the best team in the CIS scene, and after the fusion with VP the best EU team in TI. But obviously the problem is the captain, every captain drafting like shit in Navi is obviously because the captain is shit, not because the hero pool of the players is not that good lol
The captain is not the problem, what was said in the last pages was that PSM is not working as expected, one assumption is that even though he is strict, as pointed out by people who have contact with him, he seems to be missing something ArtStyle had, could just be trust from their teammates...
The problem is people overextends due to being fed up or their hate towards Dendi or Xboct and begin to spout nonsense about mechanical-skills and so on. Which could be true but can't be assessed with the performance the team is showing, and that turns into a battle of which one person is the problem.
People can say one person is dragging the team down when the team does well and he is always showing crap like Goblak did with so many misplays, or s4 was picked on every time he had a hard time on Secret. But when the whole team is just something awful that no one would even touch with a long stick... saying this one is bad and must retire, is pure hate and zero analysis.
TL;DR: One or two cores must go. PSM can stay, as changing him will not solve the problem. We have many examples to back that sentence.
On October 13 2015 09:55 blobrus wrote:
I mean at this point I don't even think it's a debate, there's no way the captain/supports are the problem.
If Na'VI wants to become a relevant competitive team the core has to be blown up.
If the organization wants to continue cashing in off the never ending popularity of Dendi and co that's fine, but they won't ever be a top team again. Switching captains endlessly has done nothing, and will do nothing. Even Puppey magically coming back to captain wouldn't turn this team into a t1 team.
If ZG comes out of his fantasy world and check reality for just a little while, he will see that Dendi is turning into a nobody. You know who Dendi is, I know, people who is around since some time know, those few who care to see how the past was may learn who he is.
Right now people know Sumail and RTZ, EE-sama and ppd, Dendi and Xboct are disappearing and in no time the majority will say "I don't wanna see Dendi in a pudge costume, give me Sumail's storm!"
ZG is missing every shot he has, he better steps up and do his job.
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It would be nice to see a deceptively complex question answered before jumping to demands that the core be blown up. Specifically: why is Na'Vi losing?
And I'll immediately note that anyone whining about the mechanical skill of the players is fairly ridiculous. Watch the games. Dendi isn't getting solo-killed mid in lane or giving up cs. Xboct isn't any less efficient farming when he's able to do so, and when he has farm they usually win that stage of the game. Etc. If the mechanical issues that are so readily apparent to some people were there, we'd expect to see that. We don't.
I'll also note that the most apparent theme that I saw at TI in their losses was similar to Secrets: they fell apart at big moments, usually when it was time to break high ground. This frequently happened even when they had a big lead. On some level I suspect that this was a failure in strategy rather than play or tactics, just because it was a problem that Secret had as well in their games, along with a few other teams [C9 comes to mind].
This new roster, Na'Vi is having problems way earlier in the game. The pattern I see with Na'Vi is that they typically win the first 4 minutes, and then the moment there's any sort of large engagement - 3v4, 5v5, whatever - they get completely fucked. This leads me to believe that either the gameplan that they lay out is too readily apparent to their opponents and is effectively drafted/played against, or that they just don't have a coherent plan to start with [that's the more likely one to my mind.] That may not be all on the captain per se, but that points to the changes Na'Vi can make to actually change their results.
Finally, I'd say that it's been an extremely long time since I can recall Funn1k having any impact on the game whatsoever. Granted offlane is hard these days. But I wonder if his mind is truly in it right now. Having gotten married not terribly long ago, it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't. To be clear though, that's as much an argument for keeping him on the team and waiting for him to get back into it.
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On October 14 2015 00:55 Coolsnow7 wrote:
It would be nice to see a deceptively complex question answered before jumping to demands that the core be blown up. Specifically: why is Na'Vi losing?
And I'll immediately note that anyone whining about the mechanical skill of the players is fairly ridiculous. Watch the games. Dendi isn't getting solo-killed mid in lane or giving up cs. Xboct isn't any less efficient farming when he's able to do so, and when he has farm they usually win that stage of the game. Etc. If the mechanical issues that are so readily apparent to some people were there, we'd expect to see that. We don't.
I'll also note that the most apparent theme that I saw at TI in their losses was similar to Secrets: they fell apart at big moments, usually when it was time to break high ground. This frequently happened even when they had a big lead. On some level I suspect that this was a failure in strategy rather than play or tactics, just because it was a problem that Secret had as well in their games, along with a few other teams [C9 comes to mind].
This new roster, Na'Vi is having problems way earlier in the game. The pattern I see with Na'Vi is that they typically win the first 4 minutes, and then the moment there's any sort of large engagement - 3v4, 5v5, whatever - they get completely fucked. This leads me to believe that either the gameplan that they lay out is too readily apparent to their opponents and is effectively drafted/played against, or that they just don't have a coherent plan to start with [that's the more likely one to my mind.] That may not be all on the captain per se, but that points to the changes Na'Vi can make to actually change their results.
Finally, I'd say that it's been an extremely long time since I can recall Funn1k having any impact on the game whatsoever. Granted offlane is hard these days. But I wonder if his mind is truly in it right now. Having gotten married not terribly long ago, it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't. To be clear though, that's as much an argument for keeping him on the team and waiting for him to get back into it.
Well posted. I guessed most of those who criticize cores mechanical skills are those who think EG won TI thanks solely to Sumail, or those who think they carry the team and the other four are just luggage.
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Or they look at the games and see Xbocts horrible movement, positioning and last hitting. I'd argue any 6k player is at an equal level mechanically. You can't lose a game within the 4 min mark, or win one either. Kick xboct win ti6.
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On October 14 2015 02:13 Hoenicker wrote:
Or they look at the games and see Xbocts horrible movement, positioning and last hitting. I'd argue any 6k player is at an equal level mechanically. You can't lose a game within the 4 min mark, or win one either. Kick xboct win ti6.
idn buddy maybe we're watching different games or something.
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On October 14 2015 02:05 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 00:55 Coolsnow7 wrote:
It would be nice to see a deceptively complex question answered before jumping to demands that the core be blown up. Specifically: why is Na'Vi losing?
And I'll immediately note that anyone whining about the mechanical skill of the players is fairly ridiculous. Watch the games. Dendi isn't getting solo-killed mid in lane or giving up cs. Xboct isn't any less efficient farming when he's able to do so, and when he has farm they usually win that stage of the game. Etc. If the mechanical issues that are so readily apparent to some people were there, we'd expect to see that. We don't.
I'll also note that the most apparent theme that I saw at TI in their losses was similar to Secrets: they fell apart at big moments, usually when it was time to break high ground. This frequently happened even when they had a big lead. On some level I suspect that this was a failure in strategy rather than play or tactics, just because it was a problem that Secret had as well in their games, along with a few other teams [C9 comes to mind].
This new roster, Na'Vi is having problems way earlier in the game. The pattern I see with Na'Vi is that they typically win the first 4 minutes, and then the moment there's any sort of large engagement - 3v4, 5v5, whatever - they get completely fucked. This leads me to believe that either the gameplan that they lay out is too readily apparent to their opponents and is effectively drafted/played against, or that they just don't have a coherent plan to start with [that's the more likely one to my mind.] That may not be all on the captain per se, but that points to the changes Na'Vi can make to actually change their results.
Finally, I'd say that it's been an extremely long time since I can recall Funn1k having any impact on the game whatsoever. Granted offlane is hard these days. But I wonder if his mind is truly in it right now. Having gotten married not terribly long ago, it wouldn't surprise me if it isn't. To be clear though, that's as much an argument for keeping him on the team and waiting for him to get back into it. Well posted. I guessed most of those who criticize cores mechanical skills are those who think EG won TI thanks solely to Sumail, or those who think they carry the team and the other four are just luggage.
Thanks. And I agree.
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On October 14 2015 02:13 Hoenicker wrote:
Or they look at the games and see Xbocts horrible movement, positioning and last hitting. I'd argue any 6k player is at an equal level mechanically. You can't lose a game within the 4 min mark, or win one either. Kick xboct win ti6.
I think he said after minute 4 things start going bad for NaVi, not that they lose at minute 4.
The game is a bit harder to observe, but I guess you are pretty much used to watch streams where you see both sides at the same time. Try for once to open the client, select player perspective and pick Xboct, then turn off the vision of the opponent and maybe then, can you say something about Xboct positioning, last hitting and movements.
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On October 14 2015 03:17 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Hoenicker wrote:
Or they look at the games and see Xbocts horrible movement, positioning and last hitting. I'd argue any 6k player is at an equal level mechanically. You can't lose a game within the 4 min mark, or win one either. Kick xboct win ti6. I think he said after minute 4 things start going bad for NaVi, not that they lose at minute 4. The game is a bit harder to observe, but I guess you are pretty much used to watch streams where you see both sides at the same time. Try for once to open the client, select player perspective and pick Xboct, then turn off the vision of the opponent and maybe then, can you say something about Xboct positioning, last hitting and movements.
I dont care that much, but having said that, I honestly thought we'd never see Alliance again, the way they were performing last year and look at them now. The same might happen for Na'Vi, but for some reason I don't see it happening.
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It's hard to tell whether Alliance adapted, or whether the meta swung around to favor them yet again. It's a little of both, at least Bulldog has got Brood down enough that he no longer disappears with a Furion ban.
The funny thing about Xboct hate is that the people saying he needs to go aren't wrong, but they have all the wrong reasons. They don't like him because he's often too greedy, but greed is often rewarded in this game. What isn't rewarded ever is tilting, and he isn't really a big tilter. The reason Xboct has to go is because he's just too much drama. He hasn't been quite the same since his friend Ars-Art was kicked to bring in Puppey's friend Kuro. He suggested the team blow up after TI3 because he was so angry at his teammates. He doesn't listen to captains.
He probably could still be a good player somewhere else. But he prevents NaVi from being able to rebuild properly because like that Russian translation noted, nobody wants to be the latest casualty of the Dendi & Xboct gong show.
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If you guys think Funnik is doing worse because he got married you got it the other way around..... when you have a GF you can get distracted by drama / going out / relationship , but once you get married and you think about kids and family and providing for them you dont start to slack at your work , the other way around actually.... you start taking it MORE seriously because its not only your life on the line here , its the family , so to you young kids out there Funnik motivation is not the question why he is doing worse(unless for some reason his wife is against gaming as a carrer and then its a big problem).
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CIS with the heartbreaking jokes:
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On October 15 2015 02:00 RubickPicker wrote:
It's hard to tell whether Alliance adapted, or whether the meta swung around to favor them yet again. It's a little of both, at least Bulldog has got Brood down enough that he no longer disappears with a Furion ban.
The funny thing about Xboct hate is that the people saying he needs to go aren't wrong, but they have all the wrong reasons. They don't like him because he's often too greedy, but greed is often rewarded in this game. What isn't rewarded ever is tilting, and he isn't really a big tilter. The reason Xboct has to go is because he's just too much drama. He hasn't been quite the same since his friend Ars-Art was kicked to bring in Puppey's friend Kuro. He suggested the team blow up after TI3 because he was so angry at his teammates. He doesn't listen to captains.
He probably could still be a good player somewhere else. But he prevents NaVi from being able to rebuild properly because like that Russian translation noted, nobody wants to be the latest casualty of the Dendi & Xboct gong show.
Alliance never adapted. They're still the same. Except they have s4 now instead of pajkatt, both players can win their lane, but only one of them can translate it into space creation. Except bulldog now has a space creator by concept in brood, and a easy farming delete 1 hero in doom.
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