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Solo Threatens to Withdraw From Epicenter Over Ceb

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Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-26 17:48:05
May 24 2019 18:31 GMT
#1

Solo Threatens
Withdrawal from Epicenter




(Wiki)Solo is threatening to withdraw from Epicenter unless Valve issues a statement to the offensive statements OG's (Wiki)Ceb made in a pub yesterday concerning Russians.

Solo's statement :

I would like to share my personal opinion on the situation that happened with Ceb yesterday and his apology that followed up a bit later.

Russian whores who would sell their mothers for MMR. That’s not the kind of stuff you say even if you get frustrated. Schizophrenic animals from Russia. Third world dogs.

You simply can’t say these things no matter what caused them. I am proud to be Russian and your words leave me speechless. You’re not some young player who can do careless stuff because he might not understand the consequences. You’ve been in this game since the very start, you’ve earned a lot of respect and it makes the situation even worse.

If the best players in the world do those things, what do we expect from our community? Kuku made his mistake and was banned for a far less insulting stuff, so if we really want to get rid of this racist shit in our game, I think it’s time for Valve to act. I was on vacation when Mind Control pulled his Hitler shit last year and did not react properly, so now we have another example. I’ve done my mistakes in the past and took my punishment, but kept loyal to the game. I think I’ve earned the right to speak on behalf of our community and demand justice. Otherwise it’s all hypocrisy and double standards.

I won’t be participating at the upcoming Epicenter Major that will be played in my home country unless Valve openly speaks about this case and ensures consistency and transparency when it comes to treating racism in our game.



Ceb issued an apology shortly after screenshots of the original comments (they were in teamchat so no archive exists in a replay) blew up in a reddit thread :
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Some of his comments (full selection can be found in the threads at the bottom of this post) :
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The original reddit thread was closed by automod, then the reddit mods decided to leave it closed in favor of a less inflammatory thread that had already been opened.
The threads:
Discussion thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/bsahbl/ogcebs_first_reply_for_people_who_are_too_lazy_to/
First Thread (removed):
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/bs9ero/ogceb/

Some community reactions :




Edit 1 :
Updates.
Ceb has released a new apology and has agreed to do a QnA sitdown with RuHub

One day wiser
First and foremost, I would like to apologize to those who have been offended by my stupidity. This obviously includes the Russian community, and more broadly the entire DotA community.



This is not about defending myself or justifying what I have written. I take full responsibility for that. I just want to apologize and say how ashamed I am to have given in to my emotions in this way. I would like to acknowledge my mistake here so that this type of act does not happen again.



Now that I have been able to distance myself a little bit from what happened, here is my reading of things. DotA is a wonderful game, which teaches you to cooperate with people from all over the world. Different cultures, nationalities, ages, sexes, etc. This is what makes our game so beautiful but also sometimes so difficult.

But you must never forget, and that's what I did that time, the passion. Passion before competition. Now, I got caught up in a conflict. I hope that this mistake will allow me, and all of us, to remember that we all share the same passion that drives us and that it is imperative to go beyond this type of events.



I am ashamed of my behaviour for two reasons. First of all because in any case, letting anger and emotions take over is never the right way to manage things. I obviously already knew this very well, because this is probably the first lesson you learn from competitive losses, and I have had many.

Secondly, I have become, whether I like it or not, a public figure. That makes me a role model in many ways. This gives me a responsibility to anyone who can listen to or admire my work. I am aware of this, I have the opportunity to inspire others and set an example. But the other day, not only did I offend many people, but I also let down those who believed in me. I am deeply sorry.



I would now like to turn to the words I used. I had to read them over and over again. Each of these occasions triggers the same shame and pain, really. The truth is that today, the Russian community is probably disappointed and angry at me, and I don't blame them. They react with pride and firmness. I expected nothing less from them. I have always been, not only respectful, but above all admiring the Russian culture. I would like you to know that I have been close to the Russian DotA community throughout my entire career, and I am grateful of all the amazing things I have been able to learn and experience thanks to it.

I am one of the few Western players to have played in tier 1 teams with many different CIS players. My first foreign tournaments were held in the CIS region, and to date I have participated in many competitions in Russia. I have always been very enthusiastic about giving back to the Russian community through interviews or any content creation. Because all I've gotten out of it so far is love, and I've always tried to give them that love back. I have changed my nickname to Cyrillic (OG.Себ), I sometimes promote Russian culture on my streams for those who follow them etc. Russia is one of the largest DotA countries, and as the biggest DotA fan, it has always been a pleasure to compete with or against Russian talent.



What I'm trying to get is that if I had been accused of harming a community or a nationality, I would have been hurt. But this one in particular leaves me devastated. I'm sorry for "betraying" your trust and respect, in a way. I hope that one day or another, with time and effort, I will be able to redeem myself with you and earn your forgiveness.



To do this, the first step for me will be to participate in a question and answer session with the Russian community itself.



It will take place live on the 26th at 12 am CET on RuHub.

It will be distributed at the following address

https://twitch.tv/dota2ruhub


https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqt9j9

Update 2 :
Solo has posted an update : Ceb, Valve, and Solo have been having some discussions about what to do going forward.
Over the last 48 hours we’ve had detailed discussions with Seb and Valve about this whole situation. We’re working on a long-term solution together but it’ll obviously take some time. All I can say now is that I’m glad that everyone is on the same page about what we need to do, how we need to do it, and having support from Valve makes me optimistic about our ability to tackle racism. Right now we all need to calm down and focus on the new patch, upcoming tournaments and game we all love. We’ll update you when we finalize the solution for this.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 24 2019 17:29 GMT
#2
Im of the opinion that Valve should come with a statement that they wont be policing all the random shit people say in pubs and that they wont be taken hostage.
super gg
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 24 2019 17:31 GMT
#3
On May 25 2019 02:29 cecek wrote:
Im of the opinion that Valve should come with a statement that they wont be policing all the random shit people say in pubs and that they wont be taken hostage.


They should, but then what are they going to do with Kuku case?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Gamble28
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany107 Posts
May 24 2019 17:40 GMT
#4
They should stop crying man srsly... i cant even count how often i get insulted because i`m german...

If this guy would have been insulted by any other non pro player nobody would care about it... he just cry`s for attention here
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 24 2019 17:53 GMT
#5
On May 25 2019 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2019 02:29 cecek wrote:
Im of the opinion that Valve should come with a statement that they wont be policing all the random shit people say in pubs and that they wont be taken hostage.


They should, but then what are they going to do with Kuku case?


Correct me if Im wrong, but I think Valve officially said that the punishment is for the botched cover up attempt (that he was refering to his friends name or something) the organistion participated in. They can just stick to that.

In reality, Valve was likely pushed by the Chinese to do something, but nobodt can prove that, so Valve can stay relatively consistent.
super gg
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
May 24 2019 17:56 GMT
#6
this could get interesting.
wp mr 322
FTD
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 24 2019 18:33 GMT
#7
I've updated the OP with formatting and some extra information
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 24 2019 18:41 GMT
#8
i mean i feel like this sometimes as well.
but saying that as a french person is LUL
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Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-24 19:07:33
May 24 2019 19:00 GMT
#9
everything else aside, I'm happy that some players are willing to use their leverage against valve. God forbid they be proactive about anything whatsoever.

They can either actually start banning accounts for saying stuff like that, enforce pro players to be a better model for the community, or they can more or less say "we will let the community handle this as they choose." Toxicity in pubs has been a problem in dota for so long due to the nature of the game and there ought to be something from valve as a response to it.

I get people just screaming into their mics in unranked games, and it gets worse the further up the ladder I get. I have perfect behavior score, I mute them, I report them, I move on. And that's... normal? considered normal? I'm not a fan of blizzard's or riot's arbitrary "anti-toxicity" actions. Surely valve can come up with something better.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
May 24 2019 19:06 GMT
#10
Pro tipp for free.
NEVER write a country or a race will insulting someone or you will instantly become a racist xenophobe.
YES what he did, insulting some kid was wrong, NO he is not a racist he just snaped and wrote bullshit.

Calling something racism just to start drama and force something, normalised racism, because people start to give a shit about it.

And Solo is just throws oil into the fire just to look rightous and glorify himself, he would give a shit if someone else was the victim.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-24 19:50:48
May 24 2019 19:34 GMT
#11
Hard to really make up my mind on this tbh.
If the game was really 2 people raging and ruining the game I can see why he got mad but will agree he obviously went way overboard. But I'm sure we've all seen people in our games who don't get their way so they send cours into the enemy team or whatever else kind of "I want you to lose this game for doing X to me" behavior.

On the other hand I do agree with one of the comments in one of the tweets that Dota has an issue of going after certain people like that. It's always people throwing insults at a certain group of people à la "those russians" (I'm from EU so idk what the equivalent would be on other servers) etc so I can certainly see where Solo is comming from.
It's so common in pub games to see people yell and curse at a certain guy or guys for being a certain nationality that it gets normalized as well.
There ought to be something done about that.

I don't think Ceb should be banned or anything like that as from the screenshots it does not look like he's insulting russians in general but those 2 guys in his game specifically. But it's a shitty situation that might call for a fine imo?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
SimoN999
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland21 Posts
May 24 2019 19:50 GMT
#12
guy who sold official match for 332$ is threating lan organisators topkek XD
And ceb was kinda right, but ofc u can say that publicly these days...
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
May 24 2019 19:51 GMT
#13
OG should just quickly act on this like liquid did with Matu. Quick fine and with Ceb already apologising. He went overboard and made his mistake but hasn't tried to cover it up or anything of the sort and said he was wrong. I think a fine by OG should shut this case.
I said hiii
Dredre
Profile Joined May 2019
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-26 01:46:48
May 24 2019 19:58 GMT
#14
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uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
May 24 2019 20:07 GMT
#15
I honestly have no opinion on the matter personally.

However based on valve's previous statement, they're now basically just waiting on OG's official response. If OG and Ceb handle this well, I doubt there will be any kind of heavy punishment (ban etc).
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 24 2019 20:30 GMT
#16
I don't really think you can have a player threatening a lan
whats next ? Ppd will threaten to kill himself if his team doesnt first place ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
AiurOG
Profile Joined March 2011
United States98 Posts
May 24 2019 20:36 GMT
#17
On May 25 2019 02:29 cecek wrote:
Im of the opinion that Valve should come with a statement that they wont be policing all the random shit people say in pubs and that they wont be taken hostage.

Its fucked up the first reply in this thread is "actually valve should just ignore racism and let it fester in their community"
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 24 2019 20:53 GMT
#18
As a neutral, I don't think this is racist at all. He is not randomly using the term Russian whores. Russian is the nationality of the 2 toxic players, and whore is used as an insult. Basically he is just insulting these 2 players, who so happen to be Russians.

Mc wished for ill to all Russians. Kuku used a deragatory term that insults the Chinese. These are racist cases.

I think this pc culture is so stupid. If ceb is to be punished, it should only be because he as a 'public figure' should not be throwing insults of such nature.
dragonswarrior
Profile Joined August 2015
389 Posts
May 24 2019 21:00 GMT
#19
Honestly Ceb's apology is half assed. He's right his reaction was unacceptable, but there's no acknowledgement that the language he used was also really shitty. Singling out the two other players for being Russian just makes it offensive. You can insult someone plenty without dragging an entire country with millions of people into it.

I don't know what the hell Solo is playing at though, there's no way this stunt ends without him eating crow one way or another.

On May 25 2019 04:58 Dredre wrote:
These kind of insults "dog" "trird world country" "scum" are in almost half my games. It's a disease in the community and it's a very poor reflection on esports in general. That beeing said, the EU west servers have more russians then actual westerners on it now days and i'll be damned if they somehow should become the "victims" in all this. Because in my experience they give just as much if not more then they receive.



This is literally how racism works. "In my personal anecdotal experience this small minority of people who fit into this demographic are shitty, therefore everyone in this demographic is shitty and deserves to be punished."
“Words are pale shadows of forgotten names. As names have power, words have power. Words can light fires in the minds of men. Words can wring tears from the hardest hearts.”
dabounca
Profile Joined March 2010
Ireland7 Posts
May 24 2019 21:34 GMT
#20
He's publicly apologised for his actions, even though he didn't have to. He got angry at guys for ruining a game, wasting multiple peoples valuable time and for being among the many idiots who go out of their way to ruin other peoples enjoyment. 100% the guys ruining the game are getting some sick satisfaction from this debacle.

Solo mate, lets trawl your chat logs shall we? Nobody is perfect.

You shouldn't be calling for heads, you should be asking how this can be prevented from happening in the future.

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