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emperorchampion
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PassiveAce
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If it were any other game I don't think I would care at all but there's something deeply ironic about putting skins in a game like disco Elysium. Iv been thinking about a character in the original game that talks about how even art which is designed to be critical of capitalism can not avoid being subsumed by it. kim kitsuragi Fortnite skin inc | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 04 2022 04:44 PassiveAce wrote: If it were any other game I don't think I would care at all but there's something deeply ironic about putting skins in a game like disco Elysium. Oh yes that is sweet irony, although I imagine real experience guided a lot of the philosophy of the game and the developers have much experience dealing with asshole investors. But yeah what a mess. I know that Valve had a lot of troubles with publishers in the pre-steam era with law suits to get control of their early IPs from publishers. To indie studios today, like Wube (Factorio), who basically just got lucky with kickstarter'ing their game so they were able to keep control since the start but I'm sure they were staring down the barrel of several months of instant ramen noodles. Getting the capital to make a game and keeping publishers at bay is surely no easy task even with all the tools and platforms available these days. | ||
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Erasme
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 04 2022 19:45 Erasme wrote: Being ramen soluble is already a big win . . Yeah indie game dev seems very risky but at least they payout is big if you're truly independent since you keep 70% of profits with steam. Like the stardew valley creator must be set for life now. It's quite sad that the leads on a huge hit like disco elysium probably didn't get the payout they deserved :/ | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chess-cheating-hans-niemann-report-magnus-carlsen-11664911524 | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 05 2022 04:50 PassiveAce wrote: The article is paywalled but the wall street journal says that chess.com is about to release a report that Hans has cheated in over 100 online games. https://www.wsj.com/articles/chess-cheating-hans-niemann-report-magnus-carlsen-11664911524 For me, it mostly depends when. If he was a stupid 15 year old cheating online that’s a lot different than it being in the last year or two. | ||
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PassiveAce
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Slomo
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 05 2022 16:34 Slomo wrote: But does is matter for the offline tournaments? I think chess.com said that there were suspicions that he may have cheated in some offline events, but that it wasn't their position to investigate these. Also I think there is some FIDE investigation currently underway. | ||
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Fleetfeet
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PassiveAce
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emperorchampion
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On October 06 2022 02:16 PassiveAce wrote: One thing that kind of surprised me in the report was that chess.com had data indicating that Hans' played much better moves after "toggling" to another browser window. The presumption is that he had an engine open on the other screen, which makes sense. What confused me was how chess.com was able to gather that data? Are websites privy to data that tells them when a user has a browser activated? I would have thought you would need separate software installed to track that kind of user data? Maybe someone with more technical expertise can explain? I understood that it was something simpler: he was streaming during these events and you could just see him look at another screen  | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On October 06 2022 02:15 Fleetfeet wrote: What happens if they do discover he was cheating? Do they go so far as to scour the rating changes from his matches? No idea! | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On October 06 2022 02:15 Fleetfeet wrote: What happens if they do discover he was cheating? Do they go so far as to scour the rating changes from his matches? I would bet that if they found hard evidence of cheating in live chess then they would do something similar to a "no-contest" in combat sports where they nullify the results of the match. I'm sure FIDE already has a rule for this eventuality but I have no idea what it is. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On October 06 2022 02:16 PassiveAce wrote: One thing that kind of surprised me in the report was that chess.com had data indicating that Hans' played much better moves after "toggling" to another browser window. The presumption is that he had an engine open on the other screen, which makes sense. What confused me was how chess.com was able to gather that data? Are websites privy to data that tells them when a user has a separate browser or screen activated? I would have thought you would need separate software installed to track that kind of user data? Maybe someone with more technical expertise can explain? afaik it's pretty easy to know whether a given tab in the browser is in the foreground or not. This is partially necessary because browsers treat tabs differently if they're not the active tab (roughly - they give the tabs fewer resources, which is part of how you can stay performant while having many tabs open) and so a website may want to behave very differently *because* they have fewer resources. But also sites need to be able to determine this so that, for example, a game can pause automatically if you tab to a different screen or whatever. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On October 06 2022 03:41 eieio wrote: afaik it's pretty easy to know whether a given tab in the browser is in the foreground or not. This is partially necessary because browsers treat tabs differently if they're not the active tab (roughly - they give the tabs fewer resources, which is part of how you can stay performant while having many tabs open) and so a website may want to behave very differently *because* they have fewer resources. But also sites need to be able to determine this so that, for example, a game can pause automatically if you tab to a different screen or whatever. Ahhh yeah that makes sense. Thank you! | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2807 Posts
On October 06 2022 02:40 PassiveAce wrote: I would bet that if they found hard evidence of cheating in live chess then they would do something similar to a "no-contest" in combat sports where they nullify the results of the match. I'm sure FIDE already has a rule for this eventuality but I have no idea what it is. This is kinda what I figure, I'm mostly curious how many permutations they carry it down b/c everyone's elo is connected to everyone they played. I don't imagine the ripples would be massive, I'm just curious how far it would go. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On October 06 2022 05:28 Fleetfeet wrote: This is kinda what I figure, I'm mostly curious how many permutations they carry it down b/c everyone's elo is connected to everyone they played. I don't imagine the ripples would be massive, I'm just curious how far it would go. That's a good question?? I imagine the ripple effect on other players elo would be too negligible/pervasive to try and manually fix but idk | ||
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