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teddyoojo
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Since the video was posted, top players have made their own videos examining the most controversial games and providing their opinion. + Show Spoiler + It looks like a lot of the worlds top players are pretty suspicious. if Magnus won't play Hans going forward, it doesn't even matter if they can prove it or not. If tournament organizers have to choose between Magnus or Hans, they're going with Magnus every time. So Hans' career is kind of screwed no matter what. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
My best guess/random speculation is that Magnus signed an NDA with one of the online chess platforms to view private anti-cheating data related to Hans account, and he would need Hans' sign-off to publicize it. Whatever it is, I think it's super weird to make a public statement where you essentially ask someone for permission to bury them. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 28 2022 04:56 PassiveAce wrote: The part of Magnus' statement where he puts the onus on Hans to give him permission to provide more information is weird as hell. My best guess/random speculation is that Magnus signed an NDA with one of the online chess platforms to view private anti-cheating data related to Hans account, and he would need Hans' sign-off to publicize it. Whatever it is, I think it's super weird to make a public statement where you essentially ask someone for permission to bury them. Hmm it seems weird to me that a platform would provide anyone with private data (edit: perhaps Hans provided some info to Magnus directly himself?). Could it be a legal defamation reason or something related to Magnus' membership in some association that prevents their members from making stronger statements? I suppose that regardless of whether there was cheating in this instance, this is a good case for why you don't cheat online because now there's a ton of suspicion and many people don't really trust this guy. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 28 2022 05:53 emperorchampion wrote: Hmm it seems weird to me that a platform would provide anyone with private data. Could it be a legal defamation reason or something related to Magnus' membership in some association that prevents their members from making stronger statements? The statement makes it sound like he's asking Hans for permission to release info, so I don't think its related to libel law. Although I'm sure that lawyers proof read the statement for any defamation issues before it went public. One of Magnus' companies has an ownership interest in chess.com so its not inconceivable to me that he would have access to inside info but would be unable to release it without the players permission. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 28 2022 05:57 PassiveAce wrote: The statement makes it sound like he's asking Hans for permission to release info, so I don't think its related to libel law. Although I'm sure that lawyers proof read the statement for any defamation issues before it went public. One of Magnus' companies has an ownership interest in chess.com so its not inconceivable to me that he would have access to inside info but would be unable to release it without the players permission. Yeah idk, seems problematic in other ways if Carlsen has access to private data lol - but as I edited, perhaps Hans provided it to him upon request with some stipulations. Strange situation anyways. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 28 2022 06:00 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah idk, seems problematic in other ways if Carlsen has access to private data lol - but as I edited, perhaps Hans provided it to him upon request with some stipulations. Strange situation anyways. Yeah, could be. I think that he must have *something* but it will probably be ages before it becomes public. He's never going to get Hans' permission to publicize it, whatever it is. I think it kind of makes sense for chess.com to release information/evidence about titled players who get flagged by their anti-cheat tbh. If someone's cheating in money matches then I don't think its unreasonable for the results of the proprietary anti-cheating software to be released to some people, if not made public entirely. I mean hell, I can see all my opponents VAC bans :p | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
 I wonder if that holds true across most video games? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/khi5Zd9.png) | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 28 2022 06:24 PassiveAce wrote: Cheating statistics from top players on chess.com indicates yhat over 95% of cheaters are male lmao I wonder if that holds true across most video games? + Show Spoiler + Are they normalized by gender numbers (unfortunate reality of gaming as a male dominated space  , although hopefully decreasingly so)? | ||
Firebolt145
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
also have any of you cheated in online chess i definitely cheated on some chess site when i was like 14. | ||
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Faruko
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god damn | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 29 2022 10:03 eieio wrote: This is spicy! I had read a little bit about this but not very much. I'm very interested in whatever the ~secret evidence~ is. I'm also not sure whose side I believe! whose side are we on here folks. also have any of you cheated in online chess i definitely cheated on some chess site when i was like 14. On one hand, cheating it self seems quite unlikely, on the other hand, Magnus probably has a better idea than anyone else in the world how people act when they play. Innocent till proven guilty I suppose?  | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On September 29 2022 10:03 eieio wrote: This is spicy! I had read a little bit about this but not very much. I'm very interested in whatever the ~secret evidence~ is. I'm also not sure whose side I believe! whose side are we on here folks. also have any of you cheated in online chess i definitely cheated on some chess site when i was like 14. no im not a cheater | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 29 2022 10:03 eieio wrote: This is spicy! I had read a little bit about this but not very much. I'm very interested in whatever the ~secret evidence~ is. I'm also not sure whose side I believe! whose side are we on here folks. also have any of you cheated in online chess i definitely cheated on some chess site when i was like 14. I dunno... there doesn't seem to be hard evidence but i don't think there's ever been a time where most of the top 10 players in the world are super suspicious of one of their colleagues. For me it's like, how much can we trust the intuition of top players and this proprietary analysis tool? I'm inclined to trust the players but I would feel super bad if this 19y/o kid is actually just getting railroaded. Iv never looked at an engine during a game but when I first started playing chess online I remember a couple games where I opened a youtube opening tutorial when I couldn't remember a move. I stopped doing it pretty quick because I started getting better at memorizing theory, and using outside help really kind of spoils the win. It feels way better to do it all on your own, ya know? | ||
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Firebolt145
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
ecking sad | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On September 30 2022 00:31 Firebolt145 wrote: Sounds to me like you were cheating! yep :ppp | ||
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Zulu1
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