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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 12:44 GMT
#1021
On September 25 2014 21:31 cecek wrote:
Probably next week.

Its going to be a long week of theory crafting and terrible screen shots of graphs. I am not sure my body is ready.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
September 25 2014 13:14 GMT
#1022
Is the new Bane Aghs effect a nerf or a buff?
N1mrod
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany64 Posts
September 25 2014 13:16 GMT
#1023
8/10 players just disconnected from my game and it said something about network issues. I immediately assumed it had to be the patch
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
September 25 2014 13:18 GMT
#1024
On September 25 2014 22:14 Buckyman wrote:
Is the new Bane Aghs effect a nerf or a buff?


Are you serious?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1025


That's... really clever, actually.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 13:28:37
September 25 2014 13:25 GMT
#1026
On September 25 2014 22:18 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 22:14 Buckyman wrote:
Is the new Bane Aghs effect a nerf or a buff?


Are you serious?


I know giving every enemy within right-click range a free Phase Shift ability seems terrible, and we're going to see a ton of teamfights lost because the Bane's teammates keep taking nightmares off the guy trying to right-click Bane. But the upside of not being right-clickable except by spell immune attackers may outweigh that at sufficiently high skill.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
September 25 2014 13:28 GMT
#1027
On September 25 2014 22:25 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 22:18 SkelA wrote:
On September 25 2014 22:14 Buckyman wrote:
Is the new Bane Aghs effect a nerf or a buff?


Are you serious?


I know giving every enemy within right-click range a free Phase Shift ability seems terrible, and we're going to see a ton of teamfights lost because the Bane's teammates keep taking nightmares off the guy trying to right-click Bane. But the upsides may outweigh that at sufficiently high skill.

I've never seen a bane with agha in a progame, there are much better items to get on him.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 13:29 GMT
#1028
On September 25 2014 22:25 Buckyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 22:18 SkelA wrote:
On September 25 2014 22:14 Buckyman wrote:
Is the new Bane Aghs effect a nerf or a buff?


Are you serious?


I know giving every enemy within right-click range a free Phase Shift ability seems terrible, and we're going to see a ton of teamfights lost because the Bane's teammates keep taking nightmares off the guy trying to right-click Bane. But the upsides may outweigh that at sufficiently high skill.

Ok, so bane is never going to get this because he farms like crap, but its awesome. If you have a BKB with this time, you basically press R to remove hero from dota(assuming the other side does just BKB and then punch you). Yes, your team mates could get nightmared if they are idiots and attack someone who is attacking you, but that just stalls things out. And more likely than not, your team mates are going to focus the guy you gripped.

But thats never going to happen because there are like 35 other items that are way better on bane(force, ghost, blink, urn).
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 25 2014 13:49 GMT
#1029
Wow Bruno is genius
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 25 2014 14:03 GMT
#1030
On September 25 2014 22:25 Daralii wrote:
https://twitter.com/StatsmanBruno/status/515128811835621376

That's... really clever, actually.


I'd rather keep on myself to take last hits. You get %25 bonus damage for nothing.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
September 25 2014 14:05 GMT
#1031
Bruno's idea doesn't seem to work. It's not entirely clear, but from the description it sounds like Bloodrage can only target heroes.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
September 25 2014 14:11 GMT
#1032
If it does work on non-heroes, the obvious target is Roshan.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
September 25 2014 14:19 GMT
#1033
does work on creeps
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 25 2014 14:19 GMT
#1034
On September 25 2014 23:11 Buckyman wrote:
If it does work on non-heroes, the obvious target is Roshan.

Many spells don't work on Roshan for inexplicable reasons, such as Impale.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 14:34:39
September 25 2014 14:25 GMT
#1035
On September 25 2014 23:19 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 23:11 Buckyman wrote:
If it does work on non-heroes, the obvious target is Roshan.

Many spells don't work on Roshan for inexplicable reasons, such as Impale.

I mean thats because roshan can't be thrown into the air, which impale does. It's not inexplicable its just that you don't know why.

Same reason you can telekinesis rosh but he insta-drops.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 14:31 GMT
#1036
Man, Merlini continues to be the guy to listen to when it come to patch notes and level headed impressions. His break down was really on point and I like how he didn’t go through each change. His analysis of the map changes were really interesting, especially about the Radiant offlane being easier to gank(I didn’t even think of that). I also like how he just moved over stuff that he couldn’t really assess without seeing it in game, like the XP and Gold changes with only a comment “the comeback is real”.

I wish more people would do it like he did, rather than rush to put something up on youtube without even thinking about the changes.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 25 2014 14:42 GMT
#1037
Merlini believes that dire hard lane is easier while I think it'll be the opposite. The paths are so open to abuse of the supports imo.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 14:47:57
September 25 2014 14:47 GMT
#1038
On September 25 2014 23:42 Laserist wrote:
Merlini believes that dire hard lane is easier while I think it'll be the opposite. The paths are so open to abuse of the supports imo.

It does make it easier for supports to wrap around but compare that to the new radiant offlane, which in comparison is easier to gank from behind since it's a shorter walk (don't have to go around a huge rosh pit + ancient camp).
:)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 25 2014 14:50 GMT
#1039
Lanes are like bottles
the more holes there are the harder it is to catch people in them
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2014 14:52 GMT
#1040
Plus Radiant warding normally overs the bottom rune to protect the safe lane, so it could be easier for the mid to ninja up there and get their gank on. Its not a very far distance for a quick mid hero one with a initiation ability like puck.
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