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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
September 24 2014 16:01 GMT
#701
After thrying him vs bots, I believe the new PL can be a fun hero. I'll just pretend it's a completely new one and try to forget they removed one of my favorite carries.
LukeCard
Profile Joined September 2014
5 Posts
September 24 2014 16:03 GMT
#702
On September 25 2014 00:57 FinestHour wrote:
o shit does urn take off all charges of refrac with one use rofl


Yes, it also procs Cold Snap (and old dota 1 interaction that prompted the change to HP removal) and Sticky Napalm.

The item's dumb as it stands.
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 24 2014 16:04 GMT
#703
On September 25 2014 00:59 LukeCard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 00:56 Plansix wrote:
Blink is being used on almost every hero in Dota right now. Making it have some sort of flaw or drawback isn't the worst thing. Plus fuck tinker.


I don't really want to get into an argument about this, but you need to keep in mind that Urn is a really cheap item that goes in almost any hero. I sincerely doubt this is intentional.

Also Tinker already got nerfed enough already, and he's very far from being the only hero hit by this.

Its also an item that requires charges to be used and still is better defensively than offensive.

They will probably change the cold snap and sticky napalm ones (maybe refraction as well) but I'd bet that blink is going to stay as is. Blink needed a nerf and making a charge based item 'counter' it seems okay to me.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 24 2014 16:05 GMT
#704
wat noob will buy urn when u can get CRIMSON GUARD
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 16:07:46
September 24 2014 16:07 GMT
#705
Heaven forbid someone consider buying a shadowblade or forcestaff, both which are very good and give no fucks about urn.

On September 25 2014 01:05 FinestHour wrote:
wat noob will buy urn when u can get CRIMSON GUARD


I am going to buy that thing on BB because it will be hilarious. Literally immortal to right clicks while running away.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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juff
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore4659 Posts
September 24 2014 16:08 GMT
#706
Here's an example of the gold change. In the current game of Empire vs AlbumSheet, the net worth looks like this
[image loading]
pardon the poor resolution (even if he's the highest net worth, haha)

Centaur, Puck & Lina manage to catch the Prophet, and Lina kill secures with Laguna blade.
Lina earns 415 for ending a 3-kill streak on a lvl 10 hero
Centaur & Puck get 140 each for assisting.
Assuming the Prophet lost the max possible gold (300), that is a net worth swing of 995


With the new system:
Enemy team net worth: 22235
Ally team net worth: 14989
Prophet net worth: 7236
3 Hero assist gold: 20 + 5 × (Killed Hero's Level) + 0.25 x NWF = 422

Lina now gets 812
Centaur & Puck get 422
Net worth swing = 1956
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
September 24 2014 16:09 GMT
#707
urn spectre is a thing atm, but after patch hits it's a better thing.

my body is ready for the urn spectre
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 24 2014 16:12 GMT
#708
Game will swing like mad in pubs because people tend to die a lot more there.
It is even harder to maintain the superiority and easier to comeback. Tactical feed will be real.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
September 24 2014 16:15 GMT
#709
i could totally see C9 doing drow/visage strat where aui gets aghs then feeds a bunch of kills intentionally so that the gold swing when C9 take fights is in their favour.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 24 2014 16:15 GMT
#710
holy shit the patch is massssssssssive, also that SF arcana looks amazing
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 24 2014 16:16 GMT
#711
I'm sad the arcana is not the actual look for SF. That's what he should look like.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 24 2014 16:16 GMT
#712
On September 25 2014 01:15 Nymzee wrote:
i could totally see C9 doing drow/visage strat where aui gets aghs then feeds a bunch of kills intentionally so that the gold swing when C9 take fights is in their favour.

No cuz feeding doesn't help, you actually have to be behind in networth which isn't actually worth it to do intentionally.
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Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 16:18:14
September 24 2014 16:17 GMT
#713
On September 25 2014 01:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 01:15 Nymzee wrote:
i could totally see C9 doing drow/visage strat where aui gets aghs then feeds a bunch of kills intentionally so that the gold swing when C9 take fights is in their favour.

No cuz feeding doesn't help, you actually have to be behind in networth which isn't actually worth it to do intentionally.

when do c9 ever comfortably win a game?

c'mon, you have the c9 flair - isnt every game like experience a heart attack? :D

i love c9 though, they do such try-hard stuff they deserve to win big tournaments for it imo
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 16:19:37
September 24 2014 16:19 GMT
#714
I can't point it out exactly when it happens, but all those games when you are "ahead" but game is still insanely hard to advance/finish.

Usually when the enemy has a timebomb hero but they're still holding out in fights even though they're down like 20 kills. Those games are gonna be a nightmare now I think.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-24 16:20:53
September 24 2014 16:20 GMT
#715
On September 25 2014 01:19 Andre wrote:
I can't point it out exactly when it happens, but all those games when you are "ahead" but game is still insanely hard to advance/finish.

Usually when the enemy has a timebomb hero but they're still holding out in fights even though they're down like 20 kills. Those games are gonna be a nightmare now I think.

games where you're ahead vs tinker/naga but cant do anything because they push all lanes?
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 24 2014 16:20 GMT
#716
does anyone know what the cd of earht spirit aghs stoning a hero is
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 24 2014 16:20 GMT
#717
Urn preventing blink should stay. The interaction with refraction/cold snap/napalm should be removed.

I actually overall dislike how heroes and items were balanced in this patch. I welcome the map changes though.
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
September 24 2014 16:21 GMT
#718
On September 25 2014 01:20 FinestHour wrote:
does anyone know what the cd of earht spirit aghs stoning a hero is

45 sec.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 24 2014 16:21 GMT
#719
On September 25 2014 01:19 Andre wrote:
I can't point it out exactly when it happens, but all those games when you are "ahead" but game is still insanely hard to advance/finish.

Usually when the enemy has a timebomb hero but they're still holding out in fights even though they're down like 20 kills. Those games are gonna be a nightmare now I think.

It gives you an ability to throw like no other, that is for sure. But the gold is spread out between everyone who gets the kill, so even like 1500 gold would only amount to like 500 each. No kill is going to dump 20K on a team.

And remember, every time it happens, the amount the team gets is less because the graph evens out. Like the PL change, it something we will need to see in action.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 24 2014 16:22 GMT
#720
literally earth bender
the last earth spirit legend of kaolin book 1
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