EPT6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 33
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:58 Asymmetric wrote: Won't there be even more illusions now? They might not last long, but they appear much quicker as soon as PL target anyone. I mean, with the hugely increased procs rates, manta reduction, and his doppelganger generating more. Escaping from PL looks nigh impossible now with his new passive and lance. Also one of the illusions generated by doppelganger takes 100% damage, rather than 200% or 300%(but it does zero). Which means you can't figure out who is the real one just by hitting them all with an AOE. Its an ability you need to see in action to really get a handle on. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:48 Nymzee wrote: if you got a bottle sub 2 mins and got a bounty rune at every possible chance until a game end (say, 37 minutes) you would earn around 1200~ gold, maybe it's not worth it then. Why do you need a bottle to pick up the bounty rune? If you're including the bottle the value is in all the regen it provides. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:58 Asymmetric wrote: Won't there be even more illusions now. The might not last long, but they appear much quicker. I mean, with the hugely increased procs rates, manta reduction, and his doppelganger generating more. yeah but with the short duration every time there are illusions, there will also be the real PL among them. so the enemy wont let his guard down and thinking "oh well, guess those were only illusions". | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
Double runes encourage to leave the lane which was a trade of between staying in the lane or taking advantage of a potential rune. Rune areas will be crowded especially in the first 10 to 15 minutes. Also I hated the xp/gold rune, such a cheap idea. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:54 Bloodash wrote: for heroes wanting to get crimson guard, what order are you going to purchase the different items generally? an early buckler can be nice, but I'd imaging ring of regen first is prio? so then going back to buckler would be a waste and rather save up for vanguard... what do you think? My first idea would be to get vanguard first on melee (you buy stout from starting gold anyway on many heroes) and buckler first on ranged (better buildup as you dont want casual stout shield and leaves you the option to still get mek). edit: This is assuming it's the first item you go for, I believe it will be rarely be worth its money otherwise. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:11 Narw wrote: Go away with that gold change, i want to play Dota 2 instead of "oh shit i better not do anything risky now" couse that brown boots Distruptor gets Aghanim. Going to be interesting watching a team really far behind hitting something like RP/Black Hole/Epicentre and then getting like a billion gold from a teamwipe of the opposition. | ||
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Why do you need a bottle to pick up the bounty rune? If you're including the bottle the value is in all the regen it provides. that's true, but i dont think teams would want people picking up runes without a bottle. with no bottle crowing (or severely nerfed crowing) the bottle charges matter a lot more. does that 50 dmg block from crimson guard affect spells and multiple instances of damage? if it blocks 50 dmg from every hit for 9 seconds doesn't it make DP's ult worthless? doesn't it significantly nerf slark's dark pact, etc? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:09 -Celestial- wrote: Going to be interesting watching a team really far behind hitting something like RP/Black Hole/Epicentre and then getting like a billion gold from a teamwipe of the opposition. I doubt it is going to be that huge unless some low level supports get the drop of an fat naga. Even when the gold graph is in one team's favor, its never by massive amounts if the other team has any chance of winning a team fight. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:09 -Celestial- wrote: Going to be interesting watching a team really far behind hitting something like RP/Black Hole/Epicentre and then getting like a billion gold from a teamwipe of the opposition. or teams will be too scared to fight since they might throw and wait 20 extra minutes to get the perfect engage. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: or teams will be too scared to fight since they might throw and wait 20 extra minutes to get the perfect engage. But the other team will want to fight if they are that far behind because its all wins for them. Or get a smoke pick off on a core. There is as much reward for the other side as there is risk. | ||
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Lotsa_Spaghetti
Germany50 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote: But the other team will want to fight if they are that far behind because its all wins for them. Or get a smoke pick off on a core. There is as much reward for the other side as there is risk. Wanting to engage and being able to win that engagement are very different things. Typically when you're behind you need an advantage like high ground defending to actually win a fight. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:58 Asymmetric wrote: Won't there be even more illusions now? They might not last long, but they appear much quicker as soon as PL target anyone. I mean, with the hugely increased procs rates, manta reduction, and his doppelganger generating more. Escaping from PL looks nigh impossible now with his new passive and lance. Yeah IF is clearly pushing a different playstyle for PL where he just rapidly swarms people with illusions and overpowers them in skirmishes rather than trying to skip out with invis. I wonder if he's actually got too much redundancy in his kit now, though. He already had a ranged slow and would pick up a Diffusal no matter what for an additional slow (and he's even more likely to pick that up with a priority on early fighting, not to mention that it's an even more efficient damage item now with weaker, but more easily generated, illusions). On top of that, he now has two gap-closers (well, Doppelganger is apparently intended as an escape, but I'm not totally sold on how effective it'll be for that). He's almost redundantly good at chasing now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:18 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Wanting to engage and being able to win that engagement are very different things. No shit, really? The point is that while one side might be playing safe because they are ahead, there is a big reward for the other side to try to make something happen. Both sides are not rewarded for being passive. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:18 Laserist wrote: So pickoffs and aggressiveness may work for the behind team and safe plays works for the stronger. 70 min farm naga strong now? That's pretty much my only worry. If a team gets far enough ahead they're going to potentially end up playing very safely until the point where they're unassailable. If that becomes the norm... -_- | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:18 Laserist wrote: So pickoffs and aggressiveness may work for the behind team and safe plays works for the stronger. 70 min farm naga strong now? Naga will still be naga and smoother the enemy team. That play style will always be that way. The patch did not change that. But teams won't be rewarded for farming up other heroes like LD or OD, since there is a risk they could get picked off and dump a big fat pile of gold on the enemy team. I am sure some teams will play super passive while ahead. But other teams might want to press the advantage they have because they don't want to risk a huge comeback. Its really going to depend on style. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:46 Manit0u wrote: If they gave him Prophet's trees it would be HoN Treant  Overall the patch is nice. I like how they addressed the "Lycan Problem" and all the other changes are also welcome. I especially like the idea of tying BKB duration/cooldown to the player rather than an item. I only wonder if this will make buying new BKB a useless feature now... Jugg spinning inside of chrono or black hole might upset some people. A Jugg tossed spinning midair before crashing in the middle of the enemy team, on the other hand, would make me laugh so hard. | ||
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