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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Aghs Chen was already pretty good for that 30s cooldown. And the big ancients have 2k+ hp after holy persuasion, are magic immune and can be healed to full hp every 30s by the chen, they will also be affected by auras you have, like the vlads, mek, later AC and other stuff. These will be way harder to deal with than a normal ancient camp, I'm not sure how you're getting rid of these guys hitting your tier 3 towers. I like the change a lot, Chen can farm very quickly in the jungle, so getting the aghs is not a gigantic problem. Also, people will be looking for heroes to build a mek on, because razor, viper, doom and other cores that used to build it really don't like the increased mana pools. And Chen is like the perfect problem to build a mek on.
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On September 24 2014 21:19 PuroYO wrote:
Guess I'll play something else, this game is being LoLified, can't believe DotA has become so casual now.
LoL, the bait is strong with this one. See you when the patch comes out.
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I fell asleep half way reading the patchnote because life is too hard so i am reading the rest of it during work because why not, so far the most significant changes that I have seen are:
1.Spirit Bear now has 300 mana. 2xmidas into 2xdagon5. if the fcking bear can use eblade i am pretty sure 2xeblade is realistic.
2.insane orge buff
3.Mag+Sven meta is back
4.PL looks like getting a giant buff on paper and becomes a true 'battle pl' in early game, will see how it works out in real game.
5.rofl what is this phoenix agha lollol
6.giant buff on puck, too bad dendi doesnt have puppey no more
7.that giant riki buff...as if trench tier pubs were not bad enough lol
editing, will add more when i get more time to finish reading the patch
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On September 24 2014 20:42 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:26 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:06 Targe wrote:
If you can position yourself perfectly and dodge every spell then no bkb gaming is the optimum
But that's often impossible or out of human reach if you're against opponents of equal skill Rofl this is one of the biggest misinterpretations of BKB I think I've ever seen You're saying if you have zero chance of taking magic damage you should still go bkb? If your a short ranged to melee carry like PA, Sven or Gyro and you need to actually get in close in order to maximize your damage, the amount of CC BKB avoids is as crucial of a factor as negating magic damage (even accounting the number of spells BKB goes through) your job is to deal as much possible damage you can over a small course of time and BKB is still the the best possible item at giving you the liberty to do just that. The point is that you're decision making etc is so good u can do what u just said without bkb -_- U guys aren't getting it
Thats because you are living in a world where the other team won't just wait for your ass to show up before throwing out all their stuns. Its so unrealistic that people can't even consider it.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:51 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:49 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
No my point is that even acknowledging the fact that BKB stat-wise is mediocre, you would be doing more damage anyway because of it's active.
Have you ever seen a game where someone that has a justifiable reason to purchase a divine rapier swap that shit with their BKB? Perfection is unobtainable, there won't be any example How the hell is this even an appropriate example of perfection? Are you fucking saying that a player closer to reaching a level of perfection is a player that is less likely to build a BKB? ROFL Show nested quote +Exactly, but its a fucking dumb idea cos most the time a human cannot pull it off Okay ask yourself this. If someone made a super powered BOT that has the perfect mechanics in last hitting, denying, evading spells and whatever. Would it still be ideal for this bot to have a BKB?
if it was truly perfect in that spells meant it could fight uninterrupted then yes
On September 24 2014 21:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:42 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:26 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:06 Targe wrote:
If you can position yourself perfectly and dodge every spell then no bkb gaming is the optimum
But that's often impossible or out of human reach if you're against opponents of equal skill Rofl this is one of the biggest misinterpretations of BKB I think I've ever seen You're saying if you have zero chance of taking magic damage you should still go bkb? If your a short ranged to melee carry like PA, Sven or Gyro and you need to actually get in close in order to maximize your damage, the amount of CC BKB avoids is as crucial of a factor as negating magic damage (even accounting the number of spells BKB goes through) your job is to deal as much possible damage you can over a small course of time and BKB is still the the best possible item at giving you the liberty to do just that. The point is that you're decision making etc is so good u can do what u just said without bkb -_- U guys aren't getting it Thats because you are living in a world where the other team won't just wait for your ass to show up before throwing out all their stuns. Its so unrealistic that people can't even consider it.
no i said this bot would have perfect decision making etc. so it would not put itself into a position where they could jump you
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Can't wait to try out the new fighting Phantom Lancer.
Power treads straight into diffusal and begin the fighting?
I think Naga's come out of this well. No nerfs and all the early pushers get slammed with nerfs. Cheaper Manta and Butterfly buffs.
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On September 24 2014 21:51 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:51 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:49 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
No my point is that even acknowledging the fact that BKB stat-wise is mediocre, you would be doing more damage anyway because of it's active.
Have you ever seen a game where someone that has a justifiable reason to purchase a divine rapier swap that shit with their BKB? Perfection is unobtainable, there won't be any example How the hell is this even an appropriate example of perfection? Are you fucking saying that a player closer to reaching a level of perfection is a player that is less likely to build a BKB? ROFL Exactly, but its a fucking dumb idea cos most the time a human cannot pull it off Okay ask yourself this. If someone made a super powered BOT that has the perfect mechanics in last hitting, denying, evading spells and whatever. Would it still be ideal for this bot to have a BKB? if it was truly perfect in that spells meant it could fight uninterrupted then yes Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 21:49 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2014 20:42 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:26 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:06 Targe wrote:
If you can position yourself perfectly and dodge every spell then no bkb gaming is the optimum
But that's often impossible or out of human reach if you're against opponents of equal skill Rofl this is one of the biggest misinterpretations of BKB I think I've ever seen You're saying if you have zero chance of taking magic damage you should still go bkb? If your a short ranged to melee carry like PA, Sven or Gyro and you need to actually get in close in order to maximize your damage, the amount of CC BKB avoids is as crucial of a factor as negating magic damage (even accounting the number of spells BKB goes through) your job is to deal as much possible damage you can over a small course of time and BKB is still the the best possible item at giving you the liberty to do just that. The point is that you're decision making etc is so good u can do what u just said without bkb -_- U guys aren't getting it Thats because you are living in a world where the other team won't just wait for your ass to show up before throwing out all their stuns. Its so unrealistic that people can't even consider it. no i said this bot would have perfect decision making etc. so it would not put itself into a position where they could jump you
Targe, if you play Sven, the only place you are going is right into the center of that team. Unless they are potatoes, you are going to need something to stop them from kiting you all day. I get your point, but with heroes like Tiny, PA, and Sven, you need to avoid being stunned.
But yes, in the unrealistic world where Sven could dodge a VS stun while attacking her team, sure, you don't need a BKB. But that is impossible, so the argument is stupid.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
also im not saying that no bkb dota is correct
moonmeander explained ur point about how bkb lets you deal more damage because you stay alive for longer on his stream a while ago koreeah and thats the logic i go by when i play dota
+ Show Spoiler +unless i deem enemy team retarded and unable to cast spells (which happens all too much and i end up just getting manta for the 1 silence or whatever they actually use on me)
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Helm of Dominator Clinkz seems totally legit, too. You can now lifesteal with searing arrows and it let's bring a creep with you into a fight and it now even increases the creep's hp, so you have more damage and hp when you eat it!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On September 24 2014 21:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 21:51 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:51 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:49 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
No my point is that even acknowledging the fact that BKB stat-wise is mediocre, you would be doing more damage anyway because of it's active.
Have you ever seen a game where someone that has a justifiable reason to purchase a divine rapier swap that shit with their BKB? Perfection is unobtainable, there won't be any example How the hell is this even an appropriate example of perfection? Are you fucking saying that a player closer to reaching a level of perfection is a player that is less likely to build a BKB? ROFL Exactly, but its a fucking dumb idea cos most the time a human cannot pull it off Okay ask yourself this. If someone made a super powered BOT that has the perfect mechanics in last hitting, denying, evading spells and whatever. Would it still be ideal for this bot to have a BKB? if it was truly perfect in that spells meant it could fight uninterrupted then yes On September 24 2014 21:49 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2014 20:42 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:39 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:26 Targe wrote:On September 24 2014 20:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On September 24 2014 20:06 Targe wrote:
If you can position yourself perfectly and dodge every spell then no bkb gaming is the optimum
But that's often impossible or out of human reach if you're against opponents of equal skill Rofl this is one of the biggest misinterpretations of BKB I think I've ever seen You're saying if you have zero chance of taking magic damage you should still go bkb? If your a short ranged to melee carry like PA, Sven or Gyro and you need to actually get in close in order to maximize your damage, the amount of CC BKB avoids is as crucial of a factor as negating magic damage (even accounting the number of spells BKB goes through) your job is to deal as much possible damage you can over a small course of time and BKB is still the the best possible item at giving you the liberty to do just that. The point is that you're decision making etc is so good u can do what u just said without bkb -_- U guys aren't getting it Thats because you are living in a world where the other team won't just wait for your ass to show up before throwing out all their stuns. Its so unrealistic that people can't even consider it. no i said this bot would have perfect decision making etc. so it would not put itself into a position where they could jump you Targe, if you play Sven, the only place you are going is right into the center of that team. Unless they are potatoes, you are going to need something to stop them from kiting you all day. I get your point, but with heroes like Tiny, PA, and Sven, you need to avoid being stunned. But yes, in the unrealistic world where Sven could dodge a VS stun while attacking her team, sure, you don't need a BKB. But that is impossible, so the argument is stupid.
the argument IS stupid yes
i said at the beginning that for all games where youre playing an opponent of equal skill you should get bkb in these situations
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what do you think of the PL remake? Juxtapose illusions takeing more damage and dealing less seems like a huge nerf to me
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On September 24 2014 21:58 iET wrote:
what do you think of the PL remake? Juxtapose illusions takeing more damage and dealing less seems like a huge nerf to me
He generates them more often by a lot and they all have charge with phase, so they will get more hits in. He is going to be a more active hero, but we will need to see him in action. Its impossible to tell with the changes being so fundamental.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I think PL is a mid hero now. Phantom Lance is a great harass skill and refilling bottle should be much easier this version. It seems like with a lot of levels in blink and lance, you can do a lot. Just blinking on a guy and lancing him does a ton of damage.
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The new defensive ability for PL is cool too, will make for some great play moment where people try to figure out which one is the real one. Plus it removes the need for dust to kill him.
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could bottle become a new "midas" for carries with the new bounty rune?
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On September 24 2014 19:42 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +Meepo clones' boot item slots now match whichever slot Meepo Prime has his boots in
R u 4 rela valve I changed my hotkey setup for this shit
Me too :D
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Treant YASSSSSS
Sb ...*cries*
Blood can't jungle
Rosh was evicted
Riki has only 2 more DMG than crystal
Composite damage gone
iCEFROG ARE YOU ON MEDS
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6.83 patchnote: Chen - Buying a second Aghanim's Scepter now allows Holy Persuasion to target Roshan
^_^
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