On December 28 2011 08:59 Fruscainte wrote: Oh my fucking God
Holy shit, who else saw that SK.Link game on his stream? Oh my fucking god, that was the best DotA game I've ever seen, in like, my entire fucking life. 1 hour 30 minutes long. They were pushed back to only having their top turret + barracks left. While they were pushing up mid, the enemy team pushed up and took out the top barracks and remaining towers and began bursting down the Throne. They managed to get back and kill them with like, 100hp left on their own throne. Pushed out, won another teamfight, and then won the game.
Jesus Christ, that was intense.
Yea, I saw the ending of that. Kinda reminded of of what MYM did to Navi in one F4F final game.
Alright, I need some suggestions. I'm trying to find a certain circle of heroes for every facet first and foremost before I expand a lot. So far I was thinking Sand King for ganker/roamer, Lina for hard support, Earthshaker for initiator, Drow Ranger for Hard Carry. Any further suggestions? I'm not looking for "easy" heroes that everyone will play, I want stuff relatively hard to learn and play at a higher skill level. Perhaps Storm Spirit.
On December 29 2011 02:24 Shiragaku wrote: Hey guys, LoL player here. I played DotA before and found it to be rather fun despite the hostile environment. The only reason I decided to play LoL over DotA was because my friends were playing LoL and playing with friends make the enjoyment level 100 times better.
So I want to try to persuade my group of friends to make the transition from LoL to DotA because of one buddy who is an excellent carry (and it seems pretty cool). He is really really good at carrying and we sometimes center our gameplay around him because of how experienced he is and we think that he can thrive even more in DotA because of the hypercarry system and it seems to be a requirement unlike LoL to center your gameplay around that one person. How do I persuade him to transition?
It depends on what his attitude about LoL is, whether he is a spectator of competitive LoL, and how he feels about it.
For me, showing this video to my friends did it:
While people will argue about which game is "harder" or whatnot (that's up for debate, and I won't get into it), this video makes something strikingly clear: at the highest level of of DotA, the level of play and analysis is much deeper than exists in LoL. Compare that to the rather rough and surface-level analysis given by even some of the best LoL streamers in the world like Hotshot or SaintVicious, and it really emphasizes the comparatively refined play you see in DotA. I feel like participating in a game like that is much more rewarding than the more unrefined game LoL is currently.
On December 29 2011 02:24 Shiragaku wrote: Hey guys, LoL player here. I played DotA before and found it to be rather fun despite the hostile environment. The only reason I decided to play LoL over DotA was because my friends were playing LoL and playing with friends make the enjoyment level 100 times better.
So I want to try to persuade my group of friends to make the transition from LoL to DotA because of one buddy who is an excellent carry (and it seems pretty cool). He is really really good at carrying and we sometimes center our gameplay around him because of how experienced he is and we think that he can thrive even more in DotA because of the hypercarry system and it seems to be a requirement unlike LoL to center your gameplay around that one person. How do I persuade him to transition?
Tell him the skill and fun ceiling is higher, he can achieve more in Dota 2 than LoL.
DX Haha, I would never tell him that. He is a debater and he knows flaws in that argument whether it is true or not. The skill argument just sounds like as someone said, "My dad can beat up your dad."
On December 29 2011 02:24 Shiragaku wrote: Hey guys, LoL player here. I played DotA before and found it to be rather fun despite the hostile environment. The only reason I decided to play LoL over DotA was because my friends were playing LoL and playing with friends make the enjoyment level 100 times better.
So I want to try to persuade my group of friends to make the transition from LoL to DotA because of one buddy who is an excellent carry (and it seems pretty cool). He is really really good at carrying and we sometimes center our gameplay around him because of how experienced he is and we think that he can thrive even more in DotA because of the hypercarry system and it seems to be a requirement unlike LoL to center your gameplay around that one person. How do I persuade him to transition?
It depends on what his attitude about LoL is, whether he is a spectator of competitive LoL, and how he feels about it.
While people will argue about which game is "harder" or whatnot (that's up for debate, and I won't get into it), this video makes something strikingly clear: at the highest level of of DotA, the level of play and analysis is much deeper than exists in LoL. Compare that to the rather rough and surface-level analysis given by even some of the best LoL streamers in the world like Hotshot or SaintVicious, and it really emphasizes the comparatively refined play you see in DotA. I feel like participating in a game like that is much more rewarding than the more unrefined game LoL is currently.
I will show him that video. Thanks a lot man, I have no watched all of it, but it is really entertaining.
Also, it has been quite some time since I played DotA, but can you please give me a rundown of good hypercarries for my buddy?
The thing with LoL carries is, at least in my experience (level 30 and ranked matches), they are not as item dependent as DotA carries are. Perhaps your friend should try out some semi-carries or gankers or something first? Anyways. Weaver, Drow Ranger, Bloodseeker are some hardcore carries.
On December 29 2011 05:40 Fruscainte wrote: The thing with LoL carries is, at least in my experience (level 30 and ranked matches), they are not as item dependent as DotA carries are. Perhaps your friend should try out some semi-carries or gankers or something first? Anyways. Weaver, Drow Ranger, Bloodseeker are some hardcore carries.
Agree with Weaver, somewhat with Drow depending on situation/lineup she's against, disagree with BS. He's not on that level of late game hard carry.
On December 29 2011 05:40 Fruscainte wrote: The thing with LoL carries is, at least in my experience (level 30 and ranked matches), they are not as item dependent as DotA carries are. Perhaps your friend should try out some semi-carries or gankers or something first? Anyways. Weaver, Drow Ranger, Bloodseeker are some hardcore carries.
Agree with Weaver, somewhat with Drow depending on situation/lineup she's against, disagree with BS. He's not on that level of late game hard carry.
I was just naming shit off the top of my head. Weaver came first because, well, he's motherfucking Weaver. Perhaps Razor as well? That might be good for him.
On December 29 2011 07:40 Dead9 wrote: weaver, drow, razor, and bloodseeker are all semicarries they really can't stand up lategame to heroes like sniper, am, void, spec, etc
On December 29 2011 05:24 Fruscainte wrote: Alright, I need some suggestions. I'm trying to find a certain circle of heroes for every facet first and foremost before I expand a lot. So far I was thinking Sand King for ganker/roamer, Lina for hard support, Earthshaker for initiator, Drow Ranger for Hard Carry. Any further suggestions? I'm not looking for "easy" heroes that everyone will play, I want stuff relatively hard to learn and play at a higher skill level. Perhaps Storm Spirit.
Chen for support. Teaches you jungling and is hard to utilize to the best effect since it varies so much.
Furion/NS for ganker solo mid heroes. Great roaming and can kinda carry. Especially Furion teaches a lot about when to push and not. Spamming ulti is a sure fire way to lose games unless your team is ganking a lot.
Naix as carry. His ulti and timing rage are the hard things, compared to the other ones it will also teach you a different kind of laning since naix is lacklustre if jungling compared to free farm on lane.
On December 29 2011 02:24 Shiragaku wrote: Hey guys, LoL player here. I played DotA before and found it to be rather fun despite the hostile environment. The only reason I decided to play LoL over DotA was because my friends were playing LoL and playing with friends make the enjoyment level 100 times better.
So I want to try to persuade my group of friends to make the transition from LoL to DotA because of one buddy who is an excellent carry (and it seems pretty cool). He is really really good at carrying and we sometimes center our gameplay around him because of how experienced he is and we think that he can thrive even more in DotA because of the hypercarry system and it seems to be a requirement unlike LoL to center your gameplay around that one person. How do I persuade him to transition?
It depends on what his attitude about LoL is, whether he is a spectator of competitive LoL, and how he feels about it.
While people will argue about which game is "harder" or whatnot (that's up for debate, and I won't get into it), this video makes something strikingly clear: at the highest level of of DotA, the level of play and analysis is much deeper than exists in LoL. Compare that to the rather rough and surface-level analysis given by even some of the best LoL streamers in the world like Hotshot or SaintVicious, and it really emphasizes the comparatively refined play you see in DotA. I feel like participating in a game like that is much more rewarding than the more unrefined game LoL is currently.
I'm playing both ATM. Both games have their merits but DotA is definitely more refined gameplay wise in terms of strategies. Whether its because LoL is young or if it's due to the way LoL is designed is up for debate. My only gripe with DotA is that the community esp in lower level pubs is just so gawdawful. It's like the COD of PC gaming in that respect
Medusa and Morphling, the ultimate orb carries (they go linkens into manta into skadi, the most expensive buildup), laugh at all of those carries. They just haven't been in vogue since 6.69c, mostly because the metagame has become faster. Watch a team that's down 2 to 1 in kills come back with a Dusa ultra kill in a pro game and you'll see what I mean.
On December 29 2011 08:47 Zlasher wrote: Drow can be a hard carry IMO, as is Weaver. BS and Razor are not the hard carries that are Spectre, AM, Void, and in pubs, Riki.
weaver is pretty weak lategame drow is the hardest carry out weaver/drow/bs/razor by quite a bit, but spec/am/void/etc are still stronger lategame
Half my team gets ganked? Cross map ult into the fight, sheep one person, use that silencing staff on the other (name escapes me for some reason right now) and just start tearing shit up. Oh lord I love this character.
On December 29 2011 09:05 Shai wrote: Medusa and Morphling, the ultimate orb carries (they go linkens into manta into skadi, the most expensive buildup), laugh at all of those carries. They just haven't been in vogue since 6.69c, mostly because the metagame has become faster. Watch a team that's down 2 to 1 in kills come back with a Dusa ultra kill in a pro game and you'll see what I mean.
Meister and...I forgot the other guys' name, but mainly Meister. He goes 2-19 as Morphling on the other team and starts shit talking us at the end when we just annihilate them. He mainly goes after me for going 2-6-22 (as a pure support Warlock) and then, in his most furious angst, pauses the game right before we kill their throne. Then the sniper does it. Their entire team cycles through pause and keeps shit talking us in the pause menu and shit.
THAT is when you know you fucked another team up.
In other news, I LOVE Warlock. Easily the most fun hero.
On December 29 2011 08:47 Zlasher wrote: Drow can be a hard carry IMO, as is Weaver. BS and Razor are not the hard carries that are Spectre, AM, Void, and in pubs, Riki.
weaver is pretty weak lategame drow is the hardest carry out weaver/drow/bs/razor by quite a bit, but spec/am/void/etc are still stronger lategame
Lolwut, Weaver is sick fucking amazing late game. first of all his late game is just like, Linkens Radiance, and his damage output gets awesome and he's pretty unkillable. Beyond that if the Weaver gets farm for Manta as well, and then some survivability like heart or vlads or even more damage like MKB or Daedalus. I dunno man, Weaver is pretty sick late carry IMO. On the tier with Spectre and AM, well...just under, with Void.
On December 29 2011 08:47 Zlasher wrote: Drow can be a hard carry IMO, as is Weaver. BS and Razor are not the hard carries that are Spectre, AM, Void, and in pubs, Riki.
weaver is pretty weak lategame drow is the hardest carry out weaver/drow/bs/razor by quite a bit, but spec/am/void/etc are still stronger lategame
Lolwut, Weaver is sick fucking amazing late game. first of all his late game is just like, Linkens Radiance, and his damage output gets awesome and he's pretty unkillable. Beyond that if the Weaver gets farm for Manta as well, and then some survivability like heart or vlads or even more damage like MKB or Daedalus. I dunno man, Weaver is pretty sick late carry IMO. On the tier with Spectre and AM, well...just under, with Void.
u don't know what ur talking about weaver blows lategame
On December 29 2011 08:47 Zlasher wrote: Drow can be a hard carry IMO, as is Weaver. BS and Razor are not the hard carries that are Spectre, AM, Void, and in pubs, Riki.
weaver is pretty weak lategame drow is the hardest carry out weaver/drow/bs/razor by quite a bit, but spec/am/void/etc are still stronger lategame
Lolwut, Weaver is sick fucking amazing late game. first of all his late game is just like, Linkens Radiance, and his damage output gets awesome and he's pretty unkillable. Beyond that if the Weaver gets farm for Manta as well, and then some survivability like heart or vlads or even more damage like MKB or Daedalus. I dunno man, Weaver is pretty sick late carry IMO. On the tier with Spectre and AM, well...just under, with Void.
ummm no... bugs dont scale, his stat gain is subpar, shukuchi and time lapse dont substitute for dispersion+haunt, backtrack+chronosphere
EPT
