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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
that's where phase comes in dagger gives you good movespeed but nowhere near max, and phase gives a nice boost for chasing or getting away the attackspeed from treads is not that useful, it's mostly the +24 damage (which is a lot early on) and phase ability weighed against +8 str (both are useless on illusions) | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
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rabidch
United States20288 Posts
On December 16 2011 19:59 lozarian wrote: str is not useless on illusions. They get the hp. 152 hp is really negligible on illusions. they're really just there for radiance anyway. | ||
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lozarian
United Kingdom1043 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
But as far as farming goes, Phases are better for farming. Attack speed doesn't compare to +24 damage when you're farming against someone trying to slow your development, and Phases gives you little better ability to escape. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
phase makes you more useful in midgame ganks/teamfights where you don't really sit around and hit things, but you trade off a bit of lategame power it's really not a big difference and mostly comes down to preference | ||
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ilovelings
Argentina776 Posts
I got really mad yesterday. My score was 25/3/10 with Clinkz and I lost. My team mates sucked hard. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
I've awoken 3 hours later to discover all of this. 8 margaritas and 4 beers over the course of a night.and why are my shoes on my desk? | ||
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Josh-FiveO
Denmark174 Posts
On December 16 2011 23:21 Nevuk wrote: I got really drunk and streamed dota 2 for hours last night. I don't remember any of it. I won all my games. Apparently, roaming when drunk is awesome with VS and I like singing very poorly while insulting the band's singer. Plus, I was very very insistent that magic missile past 1 was useless. and went 1-1-4-1. Then 1-4-4-3. My team told me to skip swap because they were afraid of me being drunk. But yeah... i was belligerent. I've awoken 3 hours later to discover all of this. 8 margaritas and 4 beers over the course of a night.and why are my shoes on my desk? Sounds like you had fun! :D Actually, I like going 1 lvl stun with VS, and then just stats and wave and go hardcore DPS. Just keep farming till u have Manta, PT and Butter and u will rape face! :D | ||
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Josh-FiveO
Denmark174 Posts
On December 16 2011 22:03 ilovelings wrote: Last hitting with spectre has always been tricky. I like treads on her because the extra hp allows you to survive one extra nuke and deal extra damage with dispersion. The attack speed is a nice bonus on midgame. You can really tell the difference with treads. Phase is negligible because of the dagger. I got really mad yesterday. My score was 25/3/10 with Clinkz and I lost. My team mates sucked hard. 21/0/31 with Rexxar, almost lost :D I would have been so fucking pissed if I had lost! | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
As for PotM is mostly comes down to your preference, what you're against overall but also the lane you're in, what items you're going for midgame and how fast you can upgrade those boots. If the matchup dictates that you'll be getting linkens or s&y in midgame you might not need the hp from treads. However most people that can't deduct this probably don't grasp PotM well enough to reap the most from phase boots. I stuck with treads for a long time after the nerf on her simply because I cancelled my attacks too often due to latency and not being used to the lower attack speed. I don't buy wraith bands and if you're not getting a fast yasha in midgame the attackspeed is too low imo. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
fuckyeah. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2861 Posts
On December 16 2011 23:53 Corr wrote: Always go phase on spectre unless you've had a really shitty start, in which case I'd probably ditch upgraded boots and just go for the vg/relic. You will be able to escape almost anything, you will lasthit stuff better while you're saving for relic. The AS from treads doesn't do anything for spectre because people are never standing still tanking you, the hp isn't needed because you will get a VG or at the very least a vitbooster for your midgame safety and post-radiance tankyness. On top of that you will always go heart after radiance if you know what you're doing/playing to win. treads is a must on spectre since he must also be able to tank. with early 2 slippers and quelling blade you simply dont need more damage to farm, or you are just bad. the phase ability is totally wasted money on her since your dagger does the same for you more effectivly and lasts longer. with an early vanguard (before treads),dispersion dagger and ulti, as soon as you are level 6, you have so much early tankability/escapeability that you simply dont need phase. +starting mid game you will benefit even more from treads than from phase boots. imagine the time you just finished your radi, you will do much more damage than with phaseboots. so at the end what does a spec need early? tankability: its really the only thing in the early game. survive everything and farm as hell what does she not need? escapeability: dagger dispersion, at 6 ulti seriously how much more do you need to escape from an enemy? early damage boost: slippers and quelling do the job, and your not supposed to gank/kill heroes early in the game And what do phase boots provide us ? escapability, early damage boost ... | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 17 2011 10:02 gwaihir wrote: treads is a must on spectre since he must also be able to tank. with early 2 slippers and quelling blade you simply dont need more damage to farm, or you are just bad. the phase ability is totally wasted money on her since your dagger does the same for you more effectivly and lasts longer. with an early vanguard (before treads),dispersion dagger and ulti, as soon as you are level 6, you have so much early tankability/escapeability that you simply dont need phase. +starting mid game you will benefit even more from treads than from phase boots. imagine the time you just finished your radi, you will do much more damage than with phaseboots. so at the end what does a spec need early? tankability: its really the only thing in the early game. survive everything and farm as hell what does she not need? escapeability: dagger dispersion, at 6 ulti seriously how much more do you need to escape from an enemy? early damage boost: slippers and quelling do the job, and your not supposed to gank/kill heroes early in the game And what do phase boots provide us ? escapability, early damage boost ... Why are you getting 2 early slippers? | ||
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BnK
United States538 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2861 Posts
:D sry, i play only random, so there is a bit extra money i spend on slippers, forgot about that....anyway quelling blade is more than enough ^^ | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 17 2011 10:02 gwaihir wrote: treads is a must on spectre since he must also be able to tank. with early 2 slippers and quelling blade you simply dont need more damage to farm, or you are just bad. the phase ability is totally wasted money on her since your dagger does the same for you more effectivly and lasts longer. with an early vanguard (before treads),dispersion dagger and ulti, as soon as you are level 6, you have so much early tankability/escapeability that you simply dont need phase. +starting mid game you will benefit even more from treads than from phase boots. imagine the time you just finished your radi, you will do much more damage than with phaseboots. so at the end what does a spec need early? tankability: its really the only thing in the early game. survive everything and farm as hell what does she not need? escapeability: dagger dispersion, at 6 ulti seriously how much more do you need to escape from an enemy? early damage boost: slippers and quelling do the job, and your not supposed to gank/kill heroes early in the game And what do phase boots provide us ? escapability, early damage boost ... I don't know why you're trying to make this out to be more clear-cut than it actually is. If Treads were right 100% of the time, we wouldn't see Phases on Spec as much as we do in competitive play. It's at the very least playstyle-dependent, and likely very situational. And I disagree about Spec not needing escapability. Compared to many other hard carry picks, she has much less reliable escapability. She needs much more of it to reach the "unstoppable farm" status than, say, Antimage or Faceless, because they have blinks, which are ultimately much stronger at getting you out of trouble than Dagger or her Ulti. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
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