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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 17 2011 11:57 GMT
#1121
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ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
December 17 2011 12:43 GMT
#1122
On December 17 2011 12:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 10:02 gwaihir wrote:
treads is a must on spectre since he must also be able to tank. with early 2 slippers and quelling blade you simply dont need more damage to farm, or you are just bad. the phase ability is totally wasted money on her since your dagger does the same for you more effectivly and lasts longer. with an early vanguard (before treads),dispersion dagger and ulti, as soon as you are level 6, you have so much early tankability/escapeability that you simply dont need phase. +starting mid game you will benefit even more from treads than from phase boots.
imagine the time you just finished your radi, you will do much more damage than with phaseboots.

so at the end what does a spec need early?

tankability: its really the only thing in the early game. survive everything and farm as hell

what does she not need?

escapeability: dagger dispersion, at 6 ulti
seriously how much more do you need to escape from an enemy?

early damage boost: slippers and quelling do the job, and your not supposed to gank/kill heroes early in the game

And what do phase boots provide us ?

escapability, early damage boost

...


I don't know why you're trying to make this out to be more clear-cut than it actually is. If Treads were right 100% of the time, we wouldn't see Phases on Spec as much as we do in competitive play. It's at the very least playstyle-dependent, and likely very situational.

And I disagree about Spec not needing escapability. Compared to many other hard carry picks, she has much less reliable escapability. She needs much more of it to reach the "unstoppable farm" status than, say, Antimage or Faceless, because they have blinks, which are ultimately much stronger at getting you out of trouble than Dagger or her Ulti.


If you are ganked properly, blink is not gonna save ya'. Void's pseudoevasion saves you more than blink and Spectre is much more unstoppable than AM or DT when it get's farmed. AM's current advantage is uncoordinated people playing pubs.
People is diying.
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
December 17 2011 12:51 GMT
#1123
Are the God statuses still used? It was sort of like the SC bonjwa but still a bit different, thought they were fun but haven't heard much lately :D
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
December 17 2011 12:52 GMT
#1124
On December 17 2011 21:51 Kentakky wrote:
Are the God statuses still used? It was sort of like the SC bonjwa but still a bit different, thought they were fun but haven't heard much lately :D



as in beyond godlike? Yes.
People is diying.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 13:04:11
December 17 2011 13:03 GMT
#1125
On December 17 2011 21:52 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 21:51 Kentakky wrote:
Are the God statuses still used? It was sort of like the SC bonjwa but still a bit different, thought they were fun but haven't heard much lately :D



as in beyond godlike? Yes.

No, he means for pro players--in the past certain players who have exhibited exceptional skill and dominance sometimes get referred to with "god" status in the community (e.g. Vigoss referred to as V-god).

I think I've seen Chinese commentators hijack the terminology. I remember watching a G-League cast where 820 called Burning the equivalent of "B-god".
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Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 15:55:17
December 17 2011 15:50 GMT
#1126
On December 17 2011 22:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 21:52 ilovelings wrote:
On December 17 2011 21:51 Kentakky wrote:
Are the God statuses still used? It was sort of like the SC bonjwa but still a bit different, thought they were fun but haven't heard much lately :D



as in beyond godlike? Yes.

No, he means for pro players--in the past certain players who have exhibited exceptional skill and dominance sometimes get referred to with "god" status in the community (e.g. Vigoss referred to as V-god).

I think I've seen Chinese commentators hijack the terminology. I remember watching a G-League cast where 820 called Burning the equivalent of "B-god".



Yeah exactly this, watched a chinese made Loda documentary couple days ago and they mentioned his God status and since DotA is the biggest in China I just wanted to check if they used it for their players still today. Don't know since I myself don't know any chinese, so don't know their community to well just their baller teams/players

edit: the documentary, is pretty good make sure you have cc on so you get subtitles if you don't know chinese :D


also a link to a wodota special on vigoss.

I like to watch stuff about the good ol' days xD
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
December 17 2011 16:29 GMT
#1127
On December 17 2011 20:57 zeru wrote:
Since a lot of people dont seem to be auto joining the TL channel on startup:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 05:28 zeru wrote:
steam library -> dota 2 properties -> set launch options
-chat_join teamliquid


On this note, I very rarely see the TL people I know in the chat. Is everyone using a pseudonym or does everyone just go on TS instead?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11927 Posts
December 17 2011 17:24 GMT
#1128
On December 18 2011 01:29 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 20:57 zeru wrote:
Since a lot of people dont seem to be auto joining the TL channel on startup:
On December 17 2011 05:28 zeru wrote:
steam library -> dota 2 properties -> set launch options
-chat_join teamliquid


On this note, I very rarely see the TL people I know in the chat. Is everyone using a pseudonym or does everyone just go on TS instead?


I use a different nick on steam.

They also added a new feature last patch, auto join channels. If you join the channel it will join it the next time you start Dota 2 as well.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
December 17 2011 18:44 GMT
#1129
I have the who is who thread, in the attempts that you can control+f usernames to see what their teamliquid screennames are once you're in there.

I'm always in the TL channel whenever I play, although admittedly I usually only play with a select few friends or twitter friends nowadays.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 17 2011 22:51 GMT
#1130
On December 17 2011 22:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 21:52 ilovelings wrote:
On December 17 2011 21:51 Kentakky wrote:
Are the God statuses still used? It was sort of like the SC bonjwa but still a bit different, thought they were fun but haven't heard much lately :D



as in beyond godlike? Yes.

No, he means for pro players--in the past certain players who have exhibited exceptional skill and dominance sometimes get referred to with "god" status in the community (e.g. Vigoss referred to as V-god).

I think I've seen Chinese commentators hijack the terminology. I remember watching a G-League cast where 820 called Burning the equivalent of "B-god".

09 calls Burning B-god as well and Zhou Z-god.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 18 2011 11:14 GMT
#1131
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 18 2011 13:05 GMT
#1132
EG back at home after tough fighting in China.

Also DK won ECL.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 14:37:05
December 18 2011 14:31 GMT
#1133
On December 18 2011 20:14 zeru wrote:
The majority of players I've inhoused/MM'd with from the TL channel need to help more with support consumables when they play support. Its rough when only 1 person does it

I've had a much bigger issue with support activatables than with consumables.

It's unrealistic to expect your support to be able to get all of the necessary support items. The cheaper ones like Urn and Medallion are fine, but honestly, there are a lot of the other team support items that should be built on other people. Mekan and Force Staff are more likely to get finished in reasonable time on a caster, Pipe should show up on beefy initiators because they'll probably get Hood anyway, and that puts you more than halfway there, and pretty much anybody can get Janggo (and I mean anybody--PIS even said in one of his videos that Phases+Janggo is the new way to plays SF).
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 18 2011 15:00 GMT
#1134
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 15:03:11
December 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#1135
On December 19 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:
I havent ran into much trouble getting support to get pipe/meka/force. jango is rarely seen though, but someone always gets urn. maybe i just havent thought about it as much during games though.

My point is that a lot of the time it shouldn't even BE the 4th or 5th position support buying those items.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 18 2011 16:23 GMT
#1136
On December 19 2011 00:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:
I havent ran into much trouble getting support to get pipe/meka/force. jango is rarely seen though, but someone always gets urn. maybe i just havent thought about it as much during games though.

My point is that a lot of the time it shouldn't even BE the 4th or 5th position support buying those items.


Yea guys just think supports that are warding etc. can magically get enough farm to get those items and continue to do that job. People seem to only think in terms of damage or follow some build they have seen a pro do without any thought about the game or team.
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
December 18 2011 17:10 GMT
#1137
Pipe is the best item in 99% of games.
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
December 19 2011 07:14 GMT
#1138
This game is bad for my health, I need to learn not to rage =/

(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 19 2011 07:39 GMT
#1139
On December 19 2011 16:14 Rainmaker5 wrote:
This game is bad for my health, I need to learn not to rage =/


all interwebz team games can induce rage :[
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 19 2011 07:53 GMT
#1140
On December 19 2011 16:14 Rainmaker5 wrote:
This game is bad for my health, I need to learn not to rage =/


Me too. When I lose i always feel like breaking my keyboard
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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