• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:39
CET 10:39
KST 18:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0247LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
+256730282881 powerful death spell casters Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 The Dave Testa Open #11 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube TvZ is the most complete match up
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
YOUTUBE VIDEO
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1835 users

General Discussion - Page 243

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 241 242 243 244 245 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 16 2012 23:34 GMT
#4841
Sure, void is hard to kill. Until you build him with MoM. Sure, MoM is great if you hit a perfect ulti. But if you don't, or if they can survive your ulti, then you can get focused down in 2 seconds. It's a risky item, you should only really get it when you are behind and need to have perfect execution to win anyway. Void isn't a good ganker-semicarry, but he is a great hard carry.

Also, to survive harassment you either need: a trilane, a spammable heal from your lane partner (ie dazzle), or regen (either from an absurd amount of tangos, or RoH)
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 16 2012 23:40 GMT
#4842
MoM-based builds also assume that you can some how miraculously avoid ever fighting while your ulti is down, because it is exceedingly hard to engage with MoM if you DON'T have ultimate.
Moderator
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 16 2012 23:48 GMT
#4843
On March 17 2012 08:34 LAN-f34r wrote:
Sure, void is hard to kill. Until you build him with MoM. Sure, MoM is great if you hit a perfect ulti. But if you don't, or if they can survive your ulti, then you can get focused down in 2 seconds. It's a risky item, you should only really get it when you are behind and need to have perfect execution to win anyway. Void isn't a good ganker-semicarry, but he is a great hard carry.

Also, to survive harassment you either need: a trilane, a spammable heal from your lane partner (ie dazzle), or regen (either from an absurd amount of tangos, or RoH)

i always draft void with a tide or SK so... xD

now talk about it, i only draft him once in dota2 @_@ match ID: 6785444 if anyone wana check out :O
Havent had much -cm recently T_T
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 17 2012 00:36 GMT
#4844
Just to clear this up... for SD, his poisons damage can go off, but you can't stack it more while in disruption correct?
Jieun <3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 00:46:06
March 17 2012 00:43 GMT
#4845
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon

Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 17 2012 01:07 GMT
#4846
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 17 2012 01:09 GMT
#4847
On March 17 2012 09:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Just to clear this up... for SD, his poisons damage can go off, but you can't stack it more while in disruption correct?


correct.

It is a bug if it stacks through disruption
High Risk Low Reward
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 17 2012 01:12 GMT
#4848
you can't stack it in disruption

vanguard is good on riki
how does buying vanguard mean you're farming for 6 items?
does ns buying a vanguard somehow make him a hard carry?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 01:26 GMT
#4849
On March 17 2012 10:07 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.

Wat o.O

I've stacked poison numerous times through disruption
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#4850
On March 17 2012 10:26 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:07 rabidch wrote:
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.

Wat o.O

I've stacked poison numerous times through disruption

then its a bug. thats not how its supposed to work
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 01:45:29
March 17 2012 01:42 GMT
#4851
Was there a bugfix update just now? Said my client was out of date, then patched like 5 MB but no notes.
'
Ah, crash bugs
kineticSYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States909 Posts
March 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#4852
http://store.steampowered.com/news/7557/

Fixed some crashes or whatever.
IMMvp #1 :)
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 17 2012 01:45 GMT
#4853
Now that I can break tranquil boots I will give the item a few more tries:

Liked it on veno, cm, lich (mek after breaking) and on jungle ursa (vlads after breaking). Trying it on venge right after this 11min queue finds a game.
EGM guides me
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 17 2012 02:02 GMT
#4854
On March 17 2012 10:45 Zozo wrote:
Now that I can break tranquil boots I will give the item a few more tries:

Liked it on veno, cm, lich (mek after breaking) and on jungle ursa (vlads after breaking). Trying it on venge right after this 11min queue finds a game.

i think people need to experience with it more... cheapest lv2 boot out there and give the most MS is already top nouch.... 25 mana cost is not bad either...

i was thinking what if i just get it early on yunero :D
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
March 17 2012 04:08 GMT
#4855
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
March 17 2012 04:15 GMT
#4856
On March 17 2012 13:08 red_b wrote:
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.

Since there's only 3 tiers, high skill indeed isn't high skill at all. It'd be the equivalent of calling everyone diamond and up in SC2 high skill. If you want to figure out how high you really are, look at the "watch" tab when you find a game. The games listed there are ordered based on the average MMR of the games. If you're in the first couple of pages, you're in a relatively high level game. If you're on the first page, you're probably playing with the best of the best.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 17 2012 06:25 GMT
#4857
In the game I just played someone manner paused at the end while I was ulting with lina in their fountain... i thought it actually looked really cool as a freeze frame so i figured id share it!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Jieun <3
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 17 2012 06:39 GMT
#4858
very cool.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 17 2012 06:52 GMT
#4859
On March 17 2012 13:08 red_b wrote:
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.

Could be just that the players are queuing with friends and such who aren't so good. But all the top players usually get matched up against each other game after game.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 17 2012 07:02 GMT
#4860
It could also be new people who have MMRs not related to their skill, then as they join a team that team all gets their MMRs screwed up, and it chains off. Hopefully as time goes on more peoples MMR will relate to their actual skill, so new players will have their MMRs settle down faster.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Prev 1 241 242 243 244 245 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 21m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft174
SortOf 156
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25429
Calm 7029
Rain 2185
Sea 1617
Horang2 1447
GuemChi 1199
Flash 725
Bisu 598
BeSt 350
Pusan 240
[ Show more ]
Stork 194
Mong 132
Soulkey 72
Light 71
ToSsGirL 56
Sharp 49
Jaedong 43
Backho 33
sSak 27
ZerO 23
Purpose 21
Hm[arnc] 20
ZergMaN 17
IntoTheRainbow 17
GoRush 17
Shinee 15
Noble 11
Rush 11
Bale 11
NaDa 6
Terrorterran 5
NotJumperer 1
Dota 2
XaKoH 561
NeuroSwarm117
XcaliburYe22
League of Legends
JimRising 482
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1264
olofmeister794
m0e_tv702
Other Games
ceh9695
C9.Mang0313
crisheroes217
Happy199
Mew2King146
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick840
Counter-Strike
PGL369
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Gemini_19 22
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos827
• Stunt480
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
21m
PiG Sty Festival
21m
MaNa vs TBD
Serral vs TBD
PiGStarcraft174
KCM Race Survival
21m
Replay Cast
14h 21m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 17h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
OSC
2 days
SC Evo Complete
2 days
DaveTesta Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.