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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 16 2012 23:34 GMT
#4841
Sure, void is hard to kill. Until you build him with MoM. Sure, MoM is great if you hit a perfect ulti. But if you don't, or if they can survive your ulti, then you can get focused down in 2 seconds. It's a risky item, you should only really get it when you are behind and need to have perfect execution to win anyway. Void isn't a good ganker-semicarry, but he is a great hard carry.

Also, to survive harassment you either need: a trilane, a spammable heal from your lane partner (ie dazzle), or regen (either from an absurd amount of tangos, or RoH)
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 16 2012 23:40 GMT
#4842
MoM-based builds also assume that you can some how miraculously avoid ever fighting while your ulti is down, because it is exceedingly hard to engage with MoM if you DON'T have ultimate.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 16 2012 23:48 GMT
#4843
On March 17 2012 08:34 LAN-f34r wrote:
Sure, void is hard to kill. Until you build him with MoM. Sure, MoM is great if you hit a perfect ulti. But if you don't, or if they can survive your ulti, then you can get focused down in 2 seconds. It's a risky item, you should only really get it when you are behind and need to have perfect execution to win anyway. Void isn't a good ganker-semicarry, but he is a great hard carry.

Also, to survive harassment you either need: a trilane, a spammable heal from your lane partner (ie dazzle), or regen (either from an absurd amount of tangos, or RoH)

i always draft void with a tide or SK so... xD

now talk about it, i only draft him once in dota2 @_@ match ID: 6785444 if anyone wana check out :O
Havent had much -cm recently T_T
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 17 2012 00:36 GMT
#4844
Just to clear this up... for SD, his poisons damage can go off, but you can't stack it more while in disruption correct?
Jieun <3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 00:46:06
March 17 2012 00:43 GMT
#4845
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon

Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 17 2012 01:07 GMT
#4846
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 17 2012 01:09 GMT
#4847
On March 17 2012 09:36 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Just to clear this up... for SD, his poisons damage can go off, but you can't stack it more while in disruption correct?


correct.

It is a bug if it stacks through disruption
High Risk Low Reward
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 17 2012 01:12 GMT
#4848
you can't stack it in disruption

vanguard is good on riki
how does buying vanguard mean you're farming for 6 items?
does ns buying a vanguard somehow make him a hard carry?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 01:26 GMT
#4849
On March 17 2012 10:07 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.

Wat o.O

I've stacked poison numerous times through disruption
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#4850
On March 17 2012 10:26 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:07 rabidch wrote:
On March 17 2012 09:43 NB wrote:
yes you can... its like you can cast OD ulti on the target while they were being banished......

On March 16 2012 17:18 evantrees wrote:
with all the sd talk should be mentioned for those new to him or if you missed it.

Shadow Poison and Soul Catcher can hit enemies who are disrupted.

• A unit affected by Disruption can be affected by Soul Catcher.
Shadow Poison
• The damage can affect a unit affected by Disruption.

hell even his ulti damages during it but should have little reason to be disrupting someone who is purged.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon


no you cant. disruption sometimes adds one but that is a bug, you can't stack poison on a disruptioned unit, only the 50 hit damage will apply to a unit in disruption, but the stack counter will not go up. you can however, hit them with poison before and right after disruption and the stacks will stack as expected.

Wat o.O

I've stacked poison numerous times through disruption

then its a bug. thats not how its supposed to work
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 01:45:29
March 17 2012 01:42 GMT
#4851
Was there a bugfix update just now? Said my client was out of date, then patched like 5 MB but no notes.
'
Ah, crash bugs
kineticSYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States909 Posts
March 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#4852
http://store.steampowered.com/news/7557/

Fixed some crashes or whatever.
IMMvp #1 :)
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 17 2012 01:45 GMT
#4853
Now that I can break tranquil boots I will give the item a few more tries:

Liked it on veno, cm, lich (mek after breaking) and on jungle ursa (vlads after breaking). Trying it on venge right after this 11min queue finds a game.
EGM guides me
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 17 2012 02:02 GMT
#4854
On March 17 2012 10:45 Zozo wrote:
Now that I can break tranquil boots I will give the item a few more tries:

Liked it on veno, cm, lich (mek after breaking) and on jungle ursa (vlads after breaking). Trying it on venge right after this 11min queue finds a game.

i think people need to experience with it more... cheapest lv2 boot out there and give the most MS is already top nouch.... 25 mana cost is not bad either...

i was thinking what if i just get it early on yunero :D
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red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
March 17 2012 04:08 GMT
#4855
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
March 17 2012 04:15 GMT
#4856
On March 17 2012 13:08 red_b wrote:
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.

Since there's only 3 tiers, high skill indeed isn't high skill at all. It'd be the equivalent of calling everyone diamond and up in SC2 high skill. If you want to figure out how high you really are, look at the "watch" tab when you find a game. The games listed there are ordered based on the average MMR of the games. If you're in the first couple of pages, you're in a relatively high level game. If you're on the first page, you're probably playing with the best of the best.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 17 2012 06:25 GMT
#4857
In the game I just played someone manner paused at the end while I was ulting with lina in their fountain... i thought it actually looked really cool as a freeze frame so i figured id share it!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Jieun <3
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 17 2012 06:39 GMT
#4858
very cool.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 17 2012 06:52 GMT
#4859
On March 17 2012 13:08 red_b wrote:
do we have any idea how MM works?

seriously "high" skill games are filled with idiots and I'd hardly say Im high skill. every game seems to be a stomp and Ive played over 200 MM games.

Could be just that the players are queuing with friends and such who aren't so good. But all the top players usually get matched up against each other game after game.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 17 2012 07:02 GMT
#4860
It could also be new people who have MMRs not related to their skill, then as they join a team that team all gets their MMRs screwed up, and it chains off. Hopefully as time goes on more peoples MMR will relate to their actual skill, so new players will have their MMRs settle down faster.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
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