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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 17 2012 06:20 Lyter wrote: I really like the play by play guy on this stream, he both has a strong commentary friendly voice, and is articulate and able to talk without stutters or 'ummm' or 'errrr', he's really really good his voice and talking skill is good, but his cast 'play by play' style still dont raise any excitement compare to tobiwan or any sport caster... I have been watching him multiple times now and his cast is a repeated pattern. I prefer casters who could put emotions into their casts so it show that they love the game as well as understand it. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 17 2012 06:31 NB wrote: his voice and talking skill is good, but his cast 'play by play' style still dont raise any excitement compare to tobiwan or any sport caster... I have been watching him multiple times now and his cast is a repeated pattern. I prefer casters who could put emotions into their casts so it show that they love the game as well as understand it. Well put, Ayesee has a great radio voice but in terms of actually dictating the game there isn't really emotion. | ||
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not jack
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On March 17 2012 04:05 Zlasher wrote: Lol is Link retarded or is this some new meta to get vanguard on Riki. I think that is one of the dumbest items to get on Riki there is.. Man you really don't like vanguard hehe...it's never really odd for any hero to get it unless they desperately need something else to be effective or if the whole other team is magic damage. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 17 2012 06:43 not jack wrote: Man you really don't like vanguard hehe...it's never really odd for any hero to get it unless they desperately need something else to be effective or if the whole other team is magic damage. vanguard used to be how i identify russians on my team years ago: krob vanguard, lesh vanguard, riki vanguard, zeus vanguard, EVERYTHING vanguard........ Overall its not at all a bad item but why would you pick a riki and get vanguard? why dont just get a tide to begin with? It shows that they realize the mistake they made earlier and trying to patch/recover from it instead of sticking with their original strategy. In starcraft i dont think thats always a good thing to do  | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 17 2012 04:59 Dead9 wrote: ez just go mom instead of vanguard on riki for sustainability Ok, so you spend as much on MoM as you would on RoH+Vit Booster anyway, lose out on Diffusal because the orbs would interfere, and STILL don't address the problem of Riki needing more HP. Explain to me how this is better? On March 17 2012 06:48 NB wrote: vanguard used to be how i identify russians on my team years ago: krob vanguard, lesh vanguard, riki vanguard, zeus vanguard, EVERYTHING vanguard........ Overall its not at all a bad item but why would you pick a riki and get vanguard? why dont just get a tide to begin with? It shows that they realize the mistake they made earlier and trying to patch/recover from it instead of sticking with their original strategy. You do realize that when Vanguard still gave more HP than the components and gave full block value to ranged heroes, it was probably the best survivability item in the game? I don't understand how Riki needing HP regen and health suddenly means that you should be picking Tidehunter instead. Riki has poor HP at low-mid levels and needs health regen to get through early laning. Those aren't "mistakes", those are weaknesses of the hero that you pretty much can't ignore, regardless of teamcomp. Vanguard shores up those weaknesses. How is it in any way bad, a mistake, or a waste? As I said, I really don't like Vanguard, but Riki is one of the few heroes in the game that actually needs all 3 of the component stats anyway. So at the point in the game where you have Stout+RoH for laning, and realize that you want to buffer your HP a bit for teamfights, Vanguard starts to look like a pretty good option because it's only a Vit Booster away, and combines away 2 slots, leaving you room for your mid-lategame items. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
I dunno I still think just going PMS and faster treads and diffusal is best. I'm a Vanguard h8r yo | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 17 2012 07:05 Zlasher wrote: MoM is awful as a replacement for vanguard I dunno I still think just going PMS and faster treads and diffusal is best. I'm a Vanguard h8r yo As I said, skipping Vanguard is great if you can get away with not buying RoH in laning. But Riki's early laning is weak enough that you shouldn't often have that luxury. If you have PMS + Treads + RoH + Diffusal, you very quickly get to the point where you're selling something to make space, when you might still need the stats from whatever you're selling. Vanguard rolls your Stout, RoH, and HP into a single item slot, which is pretty damn convenient. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Link is retarded if he goes PMS to start, and then is now going Vanguard when he's had a free lane with no real ganks so far. Why is he playing SO defensive. He went Quelling Blade, has been in zero team fights or ganks, solo'd against a Furion thats not in lane half the time, and his toughest and only gank he's faced was a Riki Furion gank. So he's going to go Vanguard after PMS? | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 17 2012 06:53 TheYango wrote: Ok, so you spend as much on MoM as you would on RoH+Vit Booster anyway, lose out on Diffusal because the orbs would interfere, and STILL don't address the problem of Riki needing more HP. Explain to me how this is better? You do realize that when Vanguard still gave more HP than the components and gave full block value to ranged heroes, it was probably the best survivability item in the game? I don't understand how Riki needing HP regen and health suddenly means that you should be picking Tidehunter instead. Riki has poor HP at low-mid levels and needs health regen to get through early laning. Those aren't "mistakes", those are weaknesses of the hero that you pretty much can't ignore, regardless of teamcomp. Vanguard shores up those weaknesses. How is it in any way bad, a mistake, or a waste? As I said, I really don't like Vanguard, but Riki is one of the few heroes in the game that actually needs all 3 of the component stats anyway. So at the point in the game where you have Stout+RoH for laning, and realize that you want to buffer your HP a bit for teamfights, Vanguard starts to look like a pretty good option. no, dont get me wrong, i said the item is good. :O... But investing that much money into a DPS hero that early on just hurt you as the game progress longer. I wana question why he got RoH on riki to begin with? A better example, what do you think about vanguard on clinkz? I used to go to school with a russian guy who get vanguard on literally every single hero he got his hand on regardless of lane, farm and what not. again, all these trouble could be avoided by a better line up: if riki cant really survive WITHOUT his vanguard, why dont you just get a slightly more higher HP hero and have good crow control from the first place? (first hero come to my mind is tide) | ||
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Zlasher
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On March 17 2012 07:10 Zlasher wrote: Ok wait, do you guys want more vanguard hate? Link is retarded if he goes PMS to start, and then is now going Vanguard when he's had a free lane with no real ganks so far. Why is he playing SO defensive. He went Quelling Blade, has been in zero team fights or ganks, solo'd against a Furion thats not in lane half the time, and his toughest and only gank he's faced was a Riki Furion gank. So he's going to go Vanguard after PMS? Do you just hate Link or something? | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
If you get a PMS and then Vanguard on AM with freefarm lane, never had to leave lane, 6.5 cs per minute with a quelling blade, I would call you a retard too. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Where did this calling crowd control disables start, you might as well ask? | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On March 17 2012 07:15 Shikyo wrote: cc = crowd control? Where did this calling crowd control disables start, you might as well ask? I misunderstood then, never found out that it actually meant crowd control. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it's the rough equivalent of getting vanguard on am; you already poop out damage, but his hp pool is too low for skirmishes, and it lets him survive in lane solo forever mom is kind of a gimmicky build, same idea as dagon where you just kill supports or other squishy heroes old 40 block 300 hp vanguard was good on pretty much every hero, russian dude was right for once | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 17 2012 07:11 NB wrote: no, dont get me wrong, i said the item is good. :O... But investing that much money into a DPS hero that early on just hurt you as the game progress longer. I wana question why he got RoH on riki to begin with? Because like many Agility melee carries, he has piss poor early laning, and needs HP regen to not get forced out of lane or spend an obscene amount on consumables? Hell there are a lot of Agi carries that are better in pre-6 laning than Riki (e.g. Antimage) that still need that RoH to stabilize their HP. On March 17 2012 07:11 NB wrote: A better example, what do you think about vanguard on clinkz? I used to go to school with a russian guy who get vanguard on literally every single hero he got his hand on regardless of lane, farm and what not. See, that's different. Clinkz doesn't use the damage block well because he's ranged, and has much stronger lane control and doesn't eat as much free damage while last-hitting because (again because he's ranged). 2 of 3 components are worthless on Clinkz. This is not the case on Riki. On March 17 2012 07:11 NB wrote: again, all these trouble could be avoided by a better line up: if riki cant really survive WITHOUT his vanguard, why dont you just get a slightly more higher HP hero and have good crow control from the first place? (first hero come to my mind is tide) Because they don't fill the same role? Riki is a midgame carry with a lot of physical DPS and map presence. Tide is a ganker/initiator that provides mostly a disruption threat with moderate magic damage. You can't suddenly say that one would be better than other because they fill entirely different roles. Your statement is equivalent to saying that if you can't keep your mana up as Rhasta without buying Arcane Boots, you should just play CM instead. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 17 2012 07:15 Shikyo wrote: cc = crowd control? Where did this calling crowd control disables start, you might as well ask? i think they originate from HoN but wide spreaded by those LoL champion introduction videos.... my roomates who play lol always ask me about 'does he has any CC?' and i was all like 'wtf is CC to you ~_~?' | ||
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