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On February 15 2012 00:33 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:04 lozarian wrote:On February 14 2012 23:45 Kipsate wrote:
Enigma can gank, Enigma can jungle, get blink dagger, start doing some stuff.
Warlock can babysit. Warlock can carry you mean? Solo mid, crush lane with awesome attack animation and cheap heal, fresher agha, laugh at everything dying horribly to double bonds double ulti. gl last hitting until agh refresher... Question: if you pick warlock, you you get agh first or refresher first? Both give you 2 golems but refresher give you double stun
Agha IMO, since you slightly lack for mana, and the stats it gives are nice. I'd probably go phase -> agha -> start pushing -> fresher.
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On February 15 2012 01:37 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 01:06 Slardar wrote:
Ursa/SK combination is pretty beeftech in the current "pub" meta. You have to play very aggressive vs this combination or a vlads+ level 4 aura on SK makes Ursa essentially unstoppable barring chain stuns + diffusal to remove overpower. Blademail+Vangaurd Kunkka was my response, does literally no effect on Ursa with dual aura, pretty strong overall.
I'd like to see Syllabear or Phantom Lancer/Slithice as the next agility put into the game.
**Edit** OD would be very nice as well, excellent. <3 The way I see it, you ahve 3 options against an Ursa: - Don't get hit through slows and stuns - Get outrageously tanky to man up the hits so everyone else can finish him - Out damage him The first 2 are possible, but I think we need the likes of Mortred or Lycan to be able to do the third one effectively. Or Lancer, but he basically doesn't die 
facing ursa i often just rush eul... best item in game imo
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On February 15 2012 01:59 lozarian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:33 NB wrote:On February 15 2012 00:04 lozarian wrote:On February 14 2012 23:45 Kipsate wrote:
Enigma can gank, Enigma can jungle, get blink dagger, start doing some stuff.
Warlock can babysit. Warlock can carry you mean? Solo mid, crush lane with awesome attack animation and cheap heal, fresher agha, laugh at everything dying horribly to double bonds double ulti. gl last hitting until agh refresher... Question: if you pick warlock, you you get agh first or refresher first? Both give you 2 golems but refresher give you double stun Agha IMO, since you slightly lack for mana, and the stats it gives are nice. I'd probably go phase -> agha -> start pushing -> fresher.
Phase --> Mekanism should be your primary item. Or even Arcane Boots if you can afford those, but I wouldn't rush Aghanims unless there is another support getting Mekanism on your team. Same with who is buying wards, Aghanims is pretty hard to get so quickly. Pushstick or Drums earlier would be good alternatives to give you impact in fights other than your ultimate.
@Hassybaby - Yeah definitely, team composition is very important in dealing with Ursa. Unfortunately in Pubs sometimes you don't get the greatest of picks, honestly anything goes in my eyes I try not to complain, as long as the heroes have reliable stuns of some sort. If you go an entire team with mininal CC, Ursa devours. (Then again, picking teams with little to no stuns is NEVER a good plan!)
@Kipsate - Did I mention I love you? I can't believe I forgot about that item. =\...*sigh*
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The new item, heavens halberd is fairly effective against ursa aswell as Ghost sceptre(but ofcourse,becarefull as it will amplyify magic damage taken.
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On February 15 2012 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
The new item, heavens halberd is fairly effective against ursa aswell as Ghost sceptre(but ofcourse,becarefull as it will amplyify magic damage taken.
except ursa often get it himself... also the abyssal blade.. those are now core items of ursa so he could basicly 1v5 with heart and BKB Vlad
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On February 15 2012 02:56 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
The new item, heavens halberd is fairly effective against ursa aswell as Ghost sceptre(but ofcourse,becarefull as it will amplyify magic damage taken. except ursa often get it himself... also the abyssal blade.. those are now core items of ursa so he could basicly 1v5 with heart and BKB Vlad
Holy fed Ursa. Show me a game where the opponents are not complete noobs where you got all those items.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Why is an Abyssal blade and Heaven's halberd core on Ursa?
Heart/butter/AC just seems so much better.
Also, if Ursa gets those items up, you have probably lost the game anyway.
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On February 15 2012 03:16 Kipsate wrote:
Why is an Abyssal blade and Heaven's halberd core on Ursa?
Heart/butter/AC just seems so much better.
Also, if Ursa gets those items up, you have probably lost the game anyway.
heaven's halberd is a pretty bad item. however ursa with a disable is always to be feared
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On February 15 2012 03:39 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 03:16 Kipsate wrote:
Why is an Abyssal blade and Heaven's halberd core on Ursa?
Heart/butter/AC just seems so much better.
Also, if Ursa gets those items up, you have probably lost the game anyway. heaven's halberd is a pretty bad item. however ursa with a disable is always to be feared
Heavens halberd is awesome, given how easy it is to make, and how much it can change in certain situations.
But Ursa himself should really get other stuff + BKB asap.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
@Slardar Lol picking teams. Most of my pubs are like "hey, lets all random!" then we get a team of Enigma, Riki, Axe, Chen, Naix
and 4 people try to go jungle
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On February 15 2012 03:43 Muki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 03:39 rabidch wrote:On February 15 2012 03:16 Kipsate wrote:
Why is an Abyssal blade and Heaven's halberd core on Ursa?
Heart/butter/AC just seems so much better.
Also, if Ursa gets those items up, you have probably lost the game anyway. heaven's halberd is a pretty bad item. however ursa with a disable is always to be feared Heavens halberd is awesome, given how easy it is to make, and how much it can change in certain situations. But Ursa himself should really get other stuff + BKB asap.
it's not very cheap, it's a very situational item and in most cases i would take euls over it which is 1000 gold cheaper and has a very similar functionality since these kinds of utility disable items are left to support heroes. semi carries will generally go for guinsoo which is far better in utility. i've tried it out repeatedly and its just not very useful for its cost and mediocre cast range and duration (600, euls has 700, guinsoo has 800).
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On February 15 2012 03:13 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:56 NB wrote:On February 15 2012 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
The new item, heavens halberd is fairly effective against ursa aswell as Ghost sceptre(but ofcourse,becarefull as it will amplyify magic damage taken. except ursa often get it himself... also the abyssal blade.. those are now core items of ursa so he could basicly 1v5 with heart and BKB Vlad Holy fed Ursa. Show me a game where the opponents are not complete noobs where you got all those items.
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not quite there yet but almost....
On February 15 2012 03:47 Hassybaby wrote:@Slardar Lol picking teams. Most of my pubs are like "hey, lets all random!" then we get a team of Enigma, Riki, Axe, Chen, Naix and 4 people try to go jungle
a lot of people dont know but you could lane pretty well with enigma... just use him like a lich and make sure ur minions dont push lane too hard... run him on a long lane and send minion into jungle pull stack farm etc just like a brood is pretty awesome. Go soul ring into mek x)
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I think picks aren't THAT important in pubs. I mean unless you pick the worst team ever lol.
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On February 15 2012 04:14 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 03:13 ChrisXIV wrote:On February 15 2012 02:56 NB wrote:On February 15 2012 02:26 Kipsate wrote:
The new item, heavens halberd is fairly effective against ursa aswell as Ghost sceptre(but ofcourse,becarefull as it will amplyify magic damage taken. except ursa often get it himself... also the abyssal blade.. those are now core items of ursa so he could basicly 1v5 with heart and BKB Vlad Holy fed Ursa. Show me a game where the opponents are not complete noobs where you got all those items. not quite there yet but almost....
Still missing the heart and halberd...
Last game before the servers shut down I played Riki and went 14-0-12...lol. Would be even more if my team wasn't so afraid to enter their jungle, where I spent most of the game and watched Prophet and Chen farm from from the shadows. Using heroes like Riki and Gondar feels like 6-pooling your way to Masters. You own as long as people don't know what to do, and get stomped otherwise.
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
I actually use Enigma as a side-lane solo quite regularly. Prefer it over jungling because I hate being passive for so long
Hmm..not thought of a soul ring. Normally go for a RoB then stick with clarity pops when needed, as well as stick charges for when I REALLY need it
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So any idea who they're going to add this time ?
Bane, Gyro and what else ? :d
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Vanguard or Vlads, phase boots, Pkey, Heart, AC. their is your uras build. BKB if needed before Heart.
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United States47024 Posts
On February 15 2012 05:23 Noocta wrote:
So any idea who they're going to add this time ?
Bane, Gyro and what else ? :d
Lanaya and Mortred also have data in the game.
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Ursa is no where the best carry. He is mid tier. AM, Void, Spec will wreck ursa.
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