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Last Edited: 2012-12-06 10:02:49
December 03 2012 12:58 GMT
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Dreamhack Recap

Table of Contents




A Lodo Doto
Jonathan Speaks

The Right of the River:
Part Deux

Radiant or Dire?


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A Lodo Doto


Team Liquid's Dreamhack Winter 2012 coverage continues with this exclusive interview with Dreamhack champion Jonathan "Loda" Berg. Moving from Team Zenith to No Tidehunter earlier this year, the Swede is one of the most legendary Dota players of all time, and indeed, one of the few players who is as relevant today as he was ten years ago. Read on to see TL's own Tephus talk to the nth carry about everything from Dreamhack to LoTR and beyond.

Of course, our post-DH coverage doesn't stop there. Our resident statistician shostakovich crunched some numbers before Dreamhack, and now he is back to crunch them again. Read on to see which side of the river is right.

We hope you enjoyed our Dreamhack Winter 2012 coverage, and do join us again soon for more Dota!

A Lodo Doto

By Tephus


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A wild Loda appears. (Picture courtesy of Loda himself.)

Team Liquid caught up with Jonathan "Loda" Berg after his recent Dreamhack win and asked him about life, Dota and everything in between.

TL: You've been back in your home of Sweden for a few months now. How is your life different now from how it was in Singapore? Is there anything you miss about Singapore?

A: Hmm… well, the weather is certainly different... :D I live alone as well (well actually my gf just came to stay with me for a while). But I mean, aside from the people I can hang out with etc. it's not that different to be honest. Most of my time is spent playing anyway. ^^.


TL: How have you had to adapt your play, moving from Zenith to No Tidehunter? You were known to take a bit of a backseat during the draft in Zenith.

Loda: Hmmm… well there has been some ways I've had to adapt I guess. Switching from 3rd back to 1st is sometimes weird. But I mean I've played hard carry since the beginning of time so, in a few months my carry will be flawless. Haha, backseat as a drafter... The reason for that was actually more of an inside joke than anything else. But sure I do get a lot more to say in nth than in Zenith.


TL: What's it like playing with your long time friend Akke again? What is your friendship like outside of Dota?

Loda: It feels great, to be honest. I mean we know each other very well within the game as well as outside the game. It makes the games feel easier, somehow. Outside of Dota we are great friends. We've known each other since school so I count him as one of my closest friends.


TL: How and why did you and Akke end up joining No Tidehunter?

Loda: It kinda started during TI2. I was approached by different people and even had a small talk with an organisation about my future. But at that point I didn't want to think about that and just wanted to focus on the tournament. But quite quickly after TI2 I started to plan out my future team, and after watching a ton of games and speaking to a crazy amount of different pro players I ended up with my eyes on nth, and especially the Swedes. They then spoke very highly of Envy, and that was it.


TL: You went up against Maelk in the finals, a player with which you and Akke have had an extended history with at DreamHack. What was that like?

Loda: Haha, it felt fun to be honest. It really made me want to win! I went into this tournament being very confident, and I think I showed Maelk that in some ways, it helps when you know all these small mind games going on between players :D


TL: You either played as Sven or played against him in most of your games. What are your thoughts on this hero's sudden popularity?

Loda: Haha, well actually I wanted to become the guy that showed everyone how OP Sven is after the patch. But then I didn't have a team at the time, so the Chinese did it before me.

Anyway, I always loved the hero. He is quite manly and after the recent buffs he felt like a clear carry hero to me. It doesnt surprise me that he is so popular. After all, teams tend to pick heroes that other teams do well with. He doesn't feel obviously broken to me though. If anything, someone should take a look at Magnus.


TL: If you look back on the time when you had just began playing DotA, could you have imagined that you would continue playing it for this long? Is your passion still the same?

Loda: Haha, well that's hard to say, but in some ways, yes. I remember that back in the day I knew some gamers that were quite old, like 26 and still being pro. And I knew they invested a lot of time not expecting to get much back, and did it just because they loved it. I told myself I could do the same thing. My passion gets rekindled every now and then, that's what keeps me going.


TL: What do you think about the Chinese viewing No Tidehunter as "Loda + 4"?

Loda: Really they do? ^^ Well I think it's just because I'm quite famous in china, and my team mates are not at all, except for Akke of course! But we are a team, and you can only win as a team, not by solo skill. And the rest of the guys are insanely skilled either way, so… :D


TL: With 'Loda' being derived from Lord of the Rings (LordOfDolAmroth), how excited are you for The Hobbit movie?

Loda: Isn't that obvious? I'm EXTREMELY psyched about this movie. It will most likely be awesome and it will make christmas into what it's really about; Hobbits, trolls, elves etc! Actually, since I have a history in the LOTR world they asked me to cast for one of the roles, but I had insane training for TI2 at that point so I couldn't do it.

TL: To wrap up, is there anything you would like to say to your fans?

Loda: A big shoutout to all my fans out there, whether they are in China or in Brazil. I love u all! A big shoutout to my team for being awesome. Also, a shoutout to my gf for loving me no matter what. Oh, I also have to remind you all to follow @Lodaberg and like Loda on Facebook.

TL: Thanks for your time!


The Right of the River: Part Deux

By shostakovich


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A week before Dreamhack, there was a lot of discussion about the balance between Radiant and Dire. In episode three of MAAD, we learned how pulling the neutral camps to the mid lane can break the game. So, I went to the DH stream hoping to collect some statistics and add more elements to the discussion, but Dreamhack did one better: the winner of a cointoss between the teams would decide sides and order of picks. The winner could choose if he wanted to decide the side (choosing either Dire or Radiant) or the order of picks (choosing either first or second pick). The loser gets whatever the winner didn't want. This changes everything. Teams now have to decide in the beginning what fits their plans better instead of following the old Radiant & First Pick vs Dire & Second Pick procedure.

Anyway, here is what happened -

Radiant 15 - 24 Dire

First Pick 18 - 21 Second Pick


The groupstage saw a crazy 8-16 in favor of the Dire, mostly because of the bo1 format. However, once the tournament got into the quarter finals, the numbers show a near perfect equilibrium between Radiant and Dire: 4-4 in the quarterfinals, 2-2 in the semi-finals and 1-2 on the finals. In many matches teams went straight to the Radiant mid lane neutral camps to place wards and deny the pull.

In terms of picks, the groupstage saw a close 11-13 in favor of the second-pick. Dark Seer was the hero most often first-picked in the tournament, but his winrate was only a measely 28% (5-13). Other popular first-pick heroes like Templar Assassin (6-10) and Batrider (4-6) stayed below the 50% winrate mark as well. Magnus (11-2) and Bounty Hunter (13-5) had the best numbers among the heroes with the most first-picks in the tournament. Heroes like Undying (10-2) and Chaos Knight (7-3) also had strong winrates, while Sven (9-14) and Rubick (9-13) accompanied Batrider and Templar Assassin to the below-50%-winrate mark.

Curiosities:
- Magnus and Undying had a perfect 100% winrate when played on the Dire side (6 games each).
- Bounty Hunter was picked twice as much for the Radiant (12 times, with 67% winrate) as for the Dire (6 times, with 83% winrate)
- Dark Seer had a 10% winrate when played for the Radiant (1-9), while Dire winrate was 44% (4-5). Sven had a 26% winrate while playing for the Radiant (4-15), and his winrate for the Dire was 56% (5-4).

In terms of the Fantasy League, there were no surprises. Team Mathismight won the global league for the third time in a row. At first he wasn't in first place, but, scoring 664 points, he skyrocketed from 7th to 1st with Na'Vi's elimination in the quarter finals. Basically, he didn't have any Na'Vi players in his roster. In the TL Dota Fantasy League, Affinity won first place with 554 points.


This news update was brought to you by TL's DH Winter coverage team - heyoka, riptide, HawaiianPig, SirJolt, Kipsate, Tephus, shostakovich and TheEmulator. Thanks to Dreamhack for the banner image!
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miwi
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden647 Posts
December 03 2012 13:01 GMT
#2
Lodo Doto best Doto
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PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
December 03 2012 13:11 GMT
#3
HAH, Aweseome! Thanks for the content :D
Zerg delenda est.
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 03 2012 13:13 GMT
#4
Grrr. I was hoping he would tell us something about his future sponsor.
Maski
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany335 Posts
December 03 2012 13:18 GMT
#5
TL: With 'Loda' being derived from Lord of the Rings (LordOfDolAmroth), how excited are you for The Hobbit movie?

Loda: Isn't that obvious? I'm EXTREMELY psyched about this movie. It will most likely be awesome and it will make christmas into what it's really about; Hobbits, trolls, elves etc! Actually, since I have a history in the LOTR world they asked me to cast for one of the roles, but I had insane training for TI2 at that point so I couldn't do it.


WTF? Cast a role in the actual real movie? That's fucking huge. What history does he have in the LOTR world though?
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
December 03 2012 13:29 GMT
#6
Interesting about the stats. Besides how annoying the whole mid pulling is, I think it somewhat helps balance the map. Dire currently has three safelane pulls whilst radiant have only one (both sides can however pull to second camps), and obviously they have Rosh advantage and the easier ancient pull to lane. However the mid pull is retardedly good, it both destroys the opponents mid and also gets one of your supports fast levels (while the other gets xp from bot lane pulls). However I would prefer to go back to wc3 DotA mechanics without the pull-every-jungle-camp-in-the-game shit that is possible at the moment.


ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
December 03 2012 13:30 GMT
#7
On December 03 2012 22:18 Maski wrote:
Show nested quote +
TL: With 'Loda' being derived from Lord of the Rings (LordOfDolAmroth), how excited are you for The Hobbit movie?

Loda: Isn't that obvious? I'm EXTREMELY psyched about this movie. It will most likely be awesome and it will make christmas into what it's really about; Hobbits, trolls, elves etc! Actually, since I have a history in the LOTR world they asked me to cast for one of the roles, but I had insane training for TI2 at that point so I couldn't do it.


WTF? Cast a role in the actual real movie? That's fucking huge. What history does he have in the LOTR world though?


He was joking.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 13:34:32
December 03 2012 13:34 GMT
#8
On December 03 2012 22:18 Maski wrote:
Show nested quote +
TL: With 'Loda' being derived from Lord of the Rings (LordOfDolAmroth), how excited are you for The Hobbit movie?

Loda: Isn't that obvious? I'm EXTREMELY psyched about this movie. It will most likely be awesome and it will make christmas into what it's really about; Hobbits, trolls, elves etc! Actually, since I have a history in the LOTR world they asked me to cast for one of the roles, but I had insane training for TI2 at that point so I couldn't do it.


WTF? Cast a role in the actual real movie? That's fucking huge. What history does he have in the LOTR world though?

pretty sure that was a joke
edit: or...?
Aiden1337
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden61 Posts
December 03 2012 13:47 GMT
#9
Loda ftw!
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
December 03 2012 13:53 GMT
#10
Loved them both, Loda interview and shostovcvhkocvic number crunching! ;-)
I love people in CM that still doesnt pick Magnus, gives me free win everytime
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
December 03 2012 13:55 GMT
#11
Very nice article. Even after following Dota for many years I had no idea that's where Loda's name came from. Learn something new every day!
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Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 03 2012 13:56 GMT
#12
Loda is going to play in the Thor open this weekend so make sure you check that out. Should be great.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 03 2012 14:11 GMT
#13
Loda as bilbo baggins *sees the mountain trolls*activates svens ulty*holyshit*
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
December 03 2012 14:14 GMT
#14
all hail to loda !
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Reap_
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Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
December 03 2012 14:26 GMT
#15
Very nice interview. Can't wait for more Loda and NTH action :D
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Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
December 03 2012 14:36 GMT
#16
I'm glad to see he's doing well.
Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
December 03 2012 14:42 GMT
#17
I have loved Loda ever since CLG picked up xP

<3 You Loda. Great work on the article.
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 03 2012 14:45 GMT
#18
I approve of how many people SingSing is influencing.

Nice article, but all these player interviews make me wish for another All Pick feature, the Dendi one was really well done and I'd love to see more of those.
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hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 03 2012 15:22 GMT
#19
Sadly nth will be typecasted by the Chinese as "Loda +4" for a while until they go into a LAN with Chinese team & casters. There had always been a big delay between advent of a good team in EU/NA and acceptance in CN.
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
December 03 2012 15:54 GMT
#20
Relevant:



Loda's history told by the chinese
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PuroStrife
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Korea (North)199 Posts
December 03 2012 15:59 GMT
#21
Loda :D
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Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
December 03 2012 16:50 GMT
#22
Awesome writeup, nice to see Loda back on the scene and doing well! :D
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
December 03 2012 17:19 GMT
#23
On December 03 2012 22:13 Implenia wrote:
Grrr. I was hoping he would tell us something about his future sponsor.

That woulda been a wicked smart move huh.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
rhs408
Profile Joined January 2011
United States904 Posts
December 03 2012 17:20 GMT
#24
I thought this was gonna be something about the LoL player Locodoco haha
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
December 03 2012 18:25 GMT
#25
Nice interview haha!! Loda is very respected by eastern scene for sure, he is one of the gods among the merlini, yameteh, kky era.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
December 03 2012 20:19 GMT
#26
Thanks for the interview, it was a good read.
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cecek
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 03 2012 20:27 GMT
#27
Nice read, thanks for it.
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a-game
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Canada5117 Posts
December 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#28
Thanks
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shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 03 2012 21:05 GMT
#29
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 03 2012 21:17 GMT
#30
On December 04 2012 06:05 shizaep wrote:
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.

Does he stream? I haven't seen him streaming since singapore.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
December 03 2012 22:36 GMT
#31
On December 04 2012 06:17 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 06:05 shizaep wrote:
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.

Does he stream? I haven't seen him streaming since singapore.


Yeah, and you get to hear Kelley in the background making comments about how dreamy he is.
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Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 03 2012 22:41 GMT
#32
On December 04 2012 07:36 forgotten0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 06:17 Implenia wrote:
On December 04 2012 06:05 shizaep wrote:
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.

Does he stream? I haven't seen him streaming since singapore.


Yeah, and you get to hear Kelley in the background making comments about how dreamy he is.

When does he stream then? Because I'm literally online 24/7 and haven't seen him stream before or after dreamhack.
forgotten0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States951 Posts
December 03 2012 23:06 GMT
#33
On December 04 2012 07:41 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:36 forgotten0ne wrote:
On December 04 2012 06:17 Implenia wrote:
On December 04 2012 06:05 shizaep wrote:
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.

Does he stream? I haven't seen him streaming since singapore.


Yeah, and you get to hear Kelley in the background making comments about how dreamy he is.

When does he stream then? Because I'm literally online 24/7 and haven't seen him stream before or after dreamhack.


Honestly, I don't think he has a schedule, and it's definitely not often. I just know I've caught it a couple of times when I was up at 7am PST.
"Well it’s obvious that these Terran gamers are just extremely gifted when it comes to RTS games" -Ret, in regards to the first months of SC2
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 04 2012 03:02 GMT
#34
On December 04 2012 08:06 forgotten0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 07:41 Implenia wrote:
On December 04 2012 07:36 forgotten0ne wrote:
On December 04 2012 06:17 Implenia wrote:
On December 04 2012 06:05 shizaep wrote:
Hah, Loda is so badass. I wish I could catch his stream more often. And nice write-up, always nice to learn a little bit more about the top players.

Does he stream? I haven't seen him streaming since singapore.


Yeah, and you get to hear Kelley in the background making comments about how dreamy he is.

When does he stream then? Because I'm literally online 24/7 and haven't seen him stream before or after dreamhack.


Honestly, I don't think he has a schedule, and it's definitely not often. I just know I've caught it a couple of times when I was up at 7am PST.

He is pubbing now against sing and not streaming
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12078 Posts
December 04 2012 06:26 GMT
#35
I checked his stream, last vod is from middle of October. So I don't think he has streamed for 2 months now.
TheEmulator
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28100 Posts
December 04 2012 06:52 GMT
#36
Loda interview and Number Crunch were great guys
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12078 Posts
December 04 2012 07:19 GMT
#37
On December 04 2012 00:54 TMG26 wrote:
Relevant:

http://youtu.be/Mo1AEhMDxIs

Loda's history told by the chinese


I liked this video, thanks for linking it. I'll check out the others in the series as well when I get some time over.
banatboy
Profile Joined December 2012
120 Posts
December 04 2012 07:55 GMT
#38
Who will loda be playing with at the Thor Open?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17713 Posts
December 04 2012 11:13 GMT
#39
Man I wish he would divulge some on their decision to forfeit their matches at HoN tour first cycle (if you didn't know, Loda, Akke and S4 are playing in the pro HoN team called Experience Gaming). I know that DHW put a big stress on them but other teams who participated in DH did play their matches. With this forfeit they drop to gold division and will get a mere $300 instead of having a shot at $4000 (and top prize in gold is a mere $1k which they will have the opportunity to grab next cycle).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
December 04 2012 11:33 GMT
#40
On December 04 2012 16:55 banatboy wrote:
Who will loda be playing with at the Thor Open?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/No_Tidehunter


On December 04 2012 20:13 Manit0u wrote:
Man I wish he would divulge some on their decision to forfeit their matches at HoN tour first cycle (if you didn't know, Loda, Akke and S4 are playing in the pro HoN team called Experience Gaming). I know that DHW put a big stress on them but other teams who participated in DH did play their matches. With this forfeit they drop to gold division and will get a mere $300 instead of having a shot at $4000 (and top prize in gold is a mere $1k which they will have the opportunity to grab next cycle).


He won 14'000 USD at dreamhack and can potentially win another 15'000 USD this weekend. I'm not sure why you think it would have been worth it.
ClaudiaGreer22
Profile Joined December 2012
United States10 Posts
December 05 2012 14:03 GMT
#41
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 05 2012 14:32 GMT
#42
All this money talk lured in a spambot :D
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caileen
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden28 Posts
December 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#43
Loda and the three time swedish nintendo champion akke with new up and coming players ftw, akke has always been one of my favorite players and S4 showed us some really sick plays during dh. As for eternalenvy he seems like he knows the game really well and is super dedicated. Quite honestly give him som time and I think he will have an understanding of the game that even rivals puppey. I hope that their new sponsor is really good and that they get to open a practice house (preferably in China) and that they will be serious contenders at TI3!
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