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I just want Brax to go to a team where he can succeed. He has grown alot as a player. Its just really fun to watch him on LGD.int. Hes like the only reason why I liked LGD.int
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On August 15 2013 06:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 06:19 ZasZ. wrote:On August 15 2013 06:14 KalWarkov wrote:On August 15 2013 06:06 beef42 wrote:
I don't understand this na'vi drama. Their result was really good. Alliance were unbeatable and they got 2nd. What more do you ask for? Beating EG.eu, eh, Alliance?
So xboct is upset that his supports play like shit. Has there ever been any carry who didn't feel this? the problem is that they didnt play like shit. srsly, im pretty sure Xboct is the worst player on navi... Then you didn't watch any of their games in TI3. Xboct has his share of bone-headed decisions, but he really turned it on for the tournament and showed why he is the carry on the most successful Dota 2 team to date. If you include drafting as part of Puppey's positive contribution to the team, Funn1k and Kuroky were the ones that stood out as underperformers, unfortunately. That's uncharacteristic for Funn1k, since he's a baller, and maybe had something to do with nerves, but it sounds like the problems with Kuroky may be systemic in nature. But again, they placed second. If they are looking at it strictly from a performance standpoint, there is really no reason to change up anything. Who are they going to get that is better than what they have, unless they poach players from Alliance, which is just as unlikely? If there is an attitude/communication problem that surfaced in TI3, then yeah, they should get that fixed soon so they can have a stable line-up for as long as possible heading into next year's tournament. But changing up your team because 2nd place isn't good enough seems too risky a path for an eSports team to take. The difference between 2nd and 1st is training and execution, not personnel. Don't get too carried away. XBOCT definitely was a major factor in two really important games; TF game 3 and [A] game 5. His decision to chase s4's Puck was pretty indefensible, and his issues in the trilane against TF helped put that game into almost-unwinnable territory. The fact that they did win it is much more to do with mechanics and gimmicks than his play.
As stated, Hvost was the reason why they were in basically unwinnable territory against TF game 3. He ignored Puppey's call to go top with the tri-lane, which resulted in him getting completely shit on at the beginning. The only reason why they came back was because of bug abuse, which even Puppey owned up to in a post match interview.
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On August 15 2013 07:18 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 06:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 15 2013 06:19 ZasZ. wrote:On August 15 2013 06:14 KalWarkov wrote:On August 15 2013 06:06 beef42 wrote:
I don't understand this na'vi drama. Their result was really good. Alliance were unbeatable and they got 2nd. What more do you ask for? Beating EG.eu, eh, Alliance?
So xboct is upset that his supports play like shit. Has there ever been any carry who didn't feel this? the problem is that they didnt play like shit. srsly, im pretty sure Xboct is the worst player on navi... Then you didn't watch any of their games in TI3. Xboct has his share of bone-headed decisions, but he really turned it on for the tournament and showed why he is the carry on the most successful Dota 2 team to date. If you include drafting as part of Puppey's positive contribution to the team, Funn1k and Kuroky were the ones that stood out as underperformers, unfortunately. That's uncharacteristic for Funn1k, since he's a baller, and maybe had something to do with nerves, but it sounds like the problems with Kuroky may be systemic in nature. But again, they placed second. If they are looking at it strictly from a performance standpoint, there is really no reason to change up anything. Who are they going to get that is better than what they have, unless they poach players from Alliance, which is just as unlikely? If there is an attitude/communication problem that surfaced in TI3, then yeah, they should get that fixed soon so they can have a stable line-up for as long as possible heading into next year's tournament. But changing up your team because 2nd place isn't good enough seems too risky a path for an eSports team to take. The difference between 2nd and 1st is training and execution, not personnel. Don't get too carried away. XBOCT definitely was a major factor in two really important games; TF game 3 and [A] game 5. His decision to chase s4's Puck was pretty indefensible, and his issues in the trilane against TF helped put that game into almost-unwinnable territory. The fact that they did win it is much more to do with mechanics and gimmicks than his play. As stated, Hvost was the reason why they were in basically unwinnable territory against TF game 3. He ignored Puppey's call to go top with the tri-lane, which resulted in him getting completely shit on at the beginning. The only reason why they came back was because of bug abuse, which even Puppey owned up to in a post match interview.
Though in fairness I was much more upset by FIRE's bug abuse in 2011 than I was by Na'Vi's. At least the Chen/Pudge combo takes a bit of practice.
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On August 15 2013 06:54 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 06:53 renfree wrote:On August 15 2013 05:29 Emnjay808 wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 renfree wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Why don't you think it's a mutual desire to part ways?  Cause it HAS to be drama when team split... Hue hue... What if someone told you that Puppey didn't want to play with XBOCT when they made a roster change due to different approach to the game, so this split is rather expected and mutual? That would be ENOUGH drama for you? :D And then Puppey punched XBOCT. IN THE FACE.
Eh, they're both more or less russian. I wouldn't be surprised unless one would gang up on the other with help of a bear.
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I seriously doubt LGDcn is going to change their roster.
They (not inluding Sylar) have played professionaly together since 2008, and Sylar is hardly the problem.
I think they just got caught off guard by the western teams.
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On August 15 2013 07:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 07:18 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 06:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On August 15 2013 06:19 ZasZ. wrote:On August 15 2013 06:14 KalWarkov wrote:On August 15 2013 06:06 beef42 wrote:
I don't understand this na'vi drama. Their result was really good. Alliance were unbeatable and they got 2nd. What more do you ask for? Beating EG.eu, eh, Alliance?
So xboct is upset that his supports play like shit. Has there ever been any carry who didn't feel this? the problem is that they didnt play like shit. srsly, im pretty sure Xboct is the worst player on navi... Then you didn't watch any of their games in TI3. Xboct has his share of bone-headed decisions, but he really turned it on for the tournament and showed why he is the carry on the most successful Dota 2 team to date. If you include drafting as part of Puppey's positive contribution to the team, Funn1k and Kuroky were the ones that stood out as underperformers, unfortunately. That's uncharacteristic for Funn1k, since he's a baller, and maybe had something to do with nerves, but it sounds like the problems with Kuroky may be systemic in nature. But again, they placed second. If they are looking at it strictly from a performance standpoint, there is really no reason to change up anything. Who are they going to get that is better than what they have, unless they poach players from Alliance, which is just as unlikely? If there is an attitude/communication problem that surfaced in TI3, then yeah, they should get that fixed soon so they can have a stable line-up for as long as possible heading into next year's tournament. But changing up your team because 2nd place isn't good enough seems too risky a path for an eSports team to take. The difference between 2nd and 1st is training and execution, not personnel. Don't get too carried away. XBOCT definitely was a major factor in two really important games; TF game 3 and [A] game 5. His decision to chase s4's Puck was pretty indefensible, and his issues in the trilane against TF helped put that game into almost-unwinnable territory. The fact that they did win it is much more to do with mechanics and gimmicks than his play. As stated, Hvost was the reason why they were in basically unwinnable territory against TF game 3. He ignored Puppey's call to go top with the tri-lane, which resulted in him getting completely shit on at the beginning. The only reason why they came back was because of bug abuse, which even Puppey owned up to in a post match interview. Though in fairness I was much more upset by FIRE's bug abuse in 2011 than I was by Na'Vi's. At least the Chen/Pudge combo takes a bit of practice.
Lmao didn't they also abuse a Doom gold transferring bug or some shit like that? That was so blatant it was stupid.
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It's possible, but the one that I was thinking of was the Phase Shift bug that let Puck Phase and move despite being stunned or in Chronosphere. But yeah, they did use a gold transfer bug against GDT in SECS.
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I don't think this topic is about bug abuse. Besides, I doubt either of you two has full insight into what happened.
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No, it's not, but while I wasn't a player for either team or an admin for DRB, I do have a pretty decent amount of knowledge about what happened.
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so all NA teams are having changes it looks like
eg kp tl dig
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Topple one domino and the rest will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. Who knows, maybe we'll even get a ROOT team again.
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On August 15 2013 07:42 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
No, it's not, but while I wasn't a player for either team or an admin for DRB, I do have a pretty decent amount of knowledge about what happened.
+ Show Spoiler +Allright I'll bite  Well I was an admin on the GameReplays forums at the time, though not responsible for running the DRB tourney. The decision to punish FIRE for using the Puck bug was heavily debated, the topic went on for pages without any conclusion, and at some point one of the admins just randomly decided to punish them because a statement against bug abuse had to be made. It was a pretty interesting time and there was huge community interest in both the bug and the admin decision to punish FIRE for using it (as well as the method of punishing them which was to grant N9 the win and give FIRE a top seed in the next qualifier ) DRB was pretty much the first Dota 2 tournament after the first International IIRC, so nobody really had any set of rules to go by. One of the most outspoken voices against the decision to punish FIRE was actually Maelk. He even went as far as pressing the community to complain to DRB's sponsors, which I thought was really childish. I still think that, but looking back I agree with him that FIRE shouldn't have been punished since using phaseshift autocast (which triggered the bug) was something that many players used. It wasn't the players fault that it's behaviour was bugged. Phaseshift clearly isn't supposed to let you move inside chronospheres, but there's no way Chen's sendback is supposed to enable you to hook enemies into your fountain either. I don't know what exactly happened with the item pooling incident so I won't comment on that.
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At this point, I'm more interested on how all these different teams will fare against each other than the combination of players in a team. Time for some fresh doto. This just means we'll have to get used to Alliance dominating for a bit more though since they'll be the only one who's in form.
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On August 15 2013 07:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Topple one domino and the rest will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. Who knows, maybe we'll even get a ROOT team again.
Well Koreya~ is back from school & streaming again, & monkeys never left. who know, last i heard it was monkeys/koreyah & some guy named naturel
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I'm actually more surprised that no one has said anything or posted on the OP about Astana Dragon's.
The big thing that has been overlooked (well someone did mention several posts ago.) AD took 2 players from Na'Vi's Championship CS team Markaloff and Edward (and poached from fnatic as well as another. This means Zeus, ceh9 and Starix needs two.)
The person behind Astana Dragons is a multi millionaire and has a passion for E-Sports. So this new CIS team (that apparently Artstyle might be with) is a team to look out for.
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On August 15 2013 10:09 Seraphic wrote:
I'm actually more surprised that no one has said anything or posted on the OP about Astana Dragon's.
The big thing that has been overlooked (well someone did mention several posts ago.) AD took 2 players from Na'Vi's Championship CS team Markaloff and Edward (and poached from fnatic as well as another. This means Zeus, ceh9 and Starix needs two.)
The person behind Astana Dragons is a multi millionaire and has a passion for E-Sports. So this new CIS team (that apparently Artstyle might be with) is a team to look out for.
This sounds shady as fuck.
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On August 15 2013 10:12 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 10:09 Seraphic wrote:
I'm actually more surprised that no one has said anything or posted on the OP about Astana Dragon's.
The big thing that has been overlooked (well someone did mention several posts ago.) AD took 2 players from Na'Vi's Championship CS team Markaloff and Edward (and poached from fnatic as well as another. This means Zeus, ceh9 and Starix needs two.)
The person behind Astana Dragons is a multi millionaire and has a passion for E-Sports. So this new CIS team (that apparently Artstyle might be with) is a team to look out for. This sounds shady as fuck.
The person behind AD is legit. Na'Vi's 2011 Championship CS team breaking up isn't a huge surprise to me. After 2-3 years of being together and starting to play CS:GO but unable to win ANYTHING will do that to a team. I'm upset yes because that team is the sole reason I became an Na'Vi fan, but after so long, it's sort of expected.
The thing I see happening is with VP and Empire breaking up, and AD taking the best from both to form.
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On August 15 2013 10:19 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 10:12 Judicator wrote:On August 15 2013 10:09 Seraphic wrote:
I'm actually more surprised that no one has said anything or posted on the OP about Astana Dragon's.
The big thing that has been overlooked (well someone did mention several posts ago.) AD took 2 players from Na'Vi's Championship CS team Markaloff and Edward (and poached from fnatic as well as another. This means Zeus, ceh9 and Starix needs two.)
The person behind Astana Dragons is a multi millionaire and has a passion for E-Sports. So this new CIS team (that apparently Artstyle might be with) is a team to look out for. This sounds shady as fuck. The person behind AD is legit. Na'Vi's 2011 Championship CS team breaking up isn't a huge surprise to me. After 2-3 years of being together and starting to play CS:GO but unable to win ANYTHING will do that to a team. I'm upset yes because that team is the sole reason I became an Na'Vi fan, but after so long, it's sort of expected. The thing I see happening is with VP and Empire breaking up, and AD taking the best from both to form.
They did do that ABDSV thing, but I'm not sure how legit that still is.
All we know is that Artstyle seems to be on the team...and V is probably Vigoss or Vanskor.
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