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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
September 02 2013 11:24 GMT
#2801
On September 02 2013 20:17 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:07 vndestiny wrote:
W8 so the full VG lineup is now what? Super, Rotk, Fenrir, Tutu, Fy?


Currently VG is playing with these five. 17173 V Tournament.


is there a chinese stream link?
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
September 02 2013 11:24 GMT
#2802
If any, please tell me the current lineup for Empire. I just checked into liquipedia's Empire and there are only 3 person who's active: Silent, VANSKOR, Scandal.
blowyourbrain's leave date = 2013-09-01

Does this mean that there are only 3 people in Empire now? How could they participate in Bigpoint Battle?
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 02 2013 11:25 GMT
#2803
Yeah, they roster contains only 3 players, as listed above.

They will use stand-ins probably.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
September 02 2013 11:28 GMT
#2804


see link there
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 02 2013 11:28 GMT
#2805
I don't see why Navi would want to replace Kuroky, at least performance wise. They still finished 2nd of TI3, losing in game 5, and who could replace it ? Some said above that it's too late to replace it because teams have already recruited everyone, but even if Navi could choose anyone they'd want (which they can basically anyway), who would be better than Kuroky ?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 11:44:01
September 02 2013 11:37 GMT
#2806
On September 02 2013 20:14 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:07 vndestiny wrote:
W8 so the full VG lineup is now what? Super, Rotk, Fenrir, Tutu, Fy?

At the moment. But people in the know (namely Mali) say that there may be more changes coming.
I'm quite sure there won't be more changes to VG.
On September 02 2013 20:28 MrCon wrote:
I don't see why Navi would want to replace Kuroky, at least performance wise. They still finished 2nd of TI3, losing in game 5, and who could replace it ? Some said above that it's too late to replace it because teams have already recruited everyone, but even if Navi could choose anyone they'd want (which they can basically anyway), who would be better than Kuroky ?
Kuro is strong at what he does, but what he does is fairly limited. I'm not saying he can't do other things. But we constantly see him playing really aggressive and a 'selfish' support style. Which can certainly work, but you can't look at all the kills he gets and say "he's the greatest support", because it's very hard to quantify how useful a support is. For example Alliance members said their MVP in the finals vs Na'Vi was Akke, while few people who weren't on that team playing would realize how much he did for the team. And while the world was praising s4 for his coils, s4 was thanking Akke for his wards.

All that doesn't matter either way, if they're kicking someone it's because of personality issues. They didn't kick AA and LoH because they were bad (although they weren't in their prime), they did because they didn't have the same aspirations and motivation for that team anymore.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 12:00:59
September 02 2013 11:54 GMT
#2807
On September 02 2013 20:24 Eriksen wrote:
If any, please tell me the current lineup for Empire. I just checked into liquipedia's Empire and there are only 3 person who's active: Silent, VANSKOR, Scandal.
blowyourbrain's leave date = 2013-09-01

Does this mean that there are only 3 people in Empire now? How could they participate in Bigpoint Battle?

Teams regularly play with stand ins in tournaments. Having said that, according to information on Joindota, Blowyourbrain indeed played in yesterdays games along with an unknown stand-in.

EDIT: Having seen a Russian VOD of one of the Big Point Battle games, Empire actually played with 2 stand-ins "frequency" and "Valar Morghulis" and Blow wasn't part of the team. No idea who these guys are.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
September 02 2013 11:59 GMT
#2808
On September 02 2013 20:37 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:14 pdd wrote:
On September 02 2013 20:07 vndestiny wrote:
W8 so the full VG lineup is now what? Super, Rotk, Fenrir, Tutu, Fy?

At the moment. But people in the know (namely Mali) say that there may be more changes coming.
I'm quite sure there won't be more changes to VG.


Out of the 7 that they have to draw from with cty & zsmj, the five they are playing is the best team in the long run.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 12:03:02
September 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#2809
Cty and ZSMJ are already confirmed not playing.

ZSMJ coaching, CTY got another offer or something, left either way.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
September 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#2810
Tutu is the weakest left on their lineup. That's only real potential for future change.
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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 02 2013 13:16 GMT
#2811
i love these roster shuffle, feels like any major sports offseason, all the trades makes it so fun
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
September 02 2013 13:50 GMT
#2812
On September 02 2013 20:54 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:24 Eriksen wrote:
If any, please tell me the current lineup for Empire. I just checked into liquipedia's Empire and there are only 3 person who's active: Silent, VANSKOR, Scandal.
blowyourbrain's leave date = 2013-09-01

Does this mean that there are only 3 people in Empire now? How could they participate in Bigpoint Battle?

Teams regularly play with stand ins in tournaments. Having said that, according to information on Joindota, Blowyourbrain indeed played in yesterdays games along with an unknown stand-in.

EDIT: Having seen a Russian VOD of one of the Big Point Battle games, Empire actually played with 2 stand-ins "frequency" and "Valar Morghulis" and Blow wasn't part of the team. No idea who these guys are.


Cool, thank you very much. Really hope the old Empire can rise again (with the old lineup, to be precise).
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 14:20:25
September 02 2013 14:20 GMT
#2813
http://www.joindota.com/en/matches/76613-virtus-pro-vs-uebelst-gamyng

First off, when was this played and why didn't I watch it? Secondly, why is Funn1k playing for VP? Thirdly, how did uebelst win this? haha must see VOD... Funn1k playing for a different team???
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dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 14:28:18
September 02 2013 14:26 GMT
#2814
On September 02 2013 23:20 Bisu-Fan wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/matches/76613-virtus-pro-vs-uebelst-gamyng

First off, when was this played and why didn't I watch it? Secondly, why is Funn1k playing for VP? Thirdly, how did uebelst win this? haha must see VOD... Funn1k playing for a different team???

God wasn't back home for this match so VP got Funn1k to standin for them. Funn1k was feeding in that game like it's a pub or something. Uebelst is no joke either.
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A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
September 02 2013 14:37 GMT
#2815
On September 02 2013 20:37 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:14 pdd wrote:
On September 02 2013 20:07 vndestiny wrote:
W8 so the full VG lineup is now what? Super, Rotk, Fenrir, Tutu, Fy?

At the moment. But people in the know (namely Mali) say that there may be more changes coming.
I'm quite sure there won't be more changes to VG.
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:28 MrCon wrote:
I don't see why Navi would want to replace Kuroky, at least performance wise. They still finished 2nd of TI3, losing in game 5, and who could replace it ? Some said above that it's too late to replace it because teams have already recruited everyone, but even if Navi could choose anyone they'd want (which they can basically anyway), who would be better than Kuroky ?
Kuro is strong at what he does, but what he does is fairly limited. I'm not saying he can't do other things. But we constantly see him playing really aggressive and a 'selfish' support style. Which can certainly work, but you can't look at all the kills he gets and say "he's the greatest support", because it's very hard to quantify how useful a support is. For example Alliance members said their MVP in the finals vs Na'Vi was Akke, while few people who weren't on that team playing would realize how much he did for the team. And while the world was praising s4 for his coils, s4 was thanking Akke for his wards.

All that doesn't matter either way, if they're kicking someone it's because of personality issues. They didn't kick AA and LoH because they were bad (although they weren't in their prime), they did because they didn't have the same aspirations and motivation for that team anymore.

I think a person would have to be not paying attention not to realize that Akke and EGM are the two on Alliance that have the largest impact. Almost all of Na'Vi's bans in the finals were targeting these two, and it almost worked.
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Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
September 02 2013 14:38 GMT
#2816
On September 02 2013 23:20 Bisu-Fan wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/matches/76613-virtus-pro-vs-uebelst-gamyng

First off, when was this played and why didn't I watch it? Secondly, why is Funn1k playing for VP? Thirdly, how did uebelst win this? haha must see VOD... Funn1k playing for a different team???


And, well, uebelst players are all very good (might be par with the pros for me).
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 14:50:49
September 02 2013 14:42 GMT
#2817
On September 02 2013 23:37 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 20:37 teapoted wrote:
On September 02 2013 20:14 pdd wrote:
On September 02 2013 20:07 vndestiny wrote:
W8 so the full VG lineup is now what? Super, Rotk, Fenrir, Tutu, Fy?

At the moment. But people in the know (namely Mali) say that there may be more changes coming.
I'm quite sure there won't be more changes to VG.
On September 02 2013 20:28 MrCon wrote:
I don't see why Navi would want to replace Kuroky, at least performance wise. They still finished 2nd of TI3, losing in game 5, and who could replace it ? Some said above that it's too late to replace it because teams have already recruited everyone, but even if Navi could choose anyone they'd want (which they can basically anyway), who would be better than Kuroky ?
Kuro is strong at what he does, but what he does is fairly limited. I'm not saying he can't do other things. But we constantly see him playing really aggressive and a 'selfish' support style. Which can certainly work, but you can't look at all the kills he gets and say "he's the greatest support", because it's very hard to quantify how useful a support is. For example Alliance members said their MVP in the finals vs Na'Vi was Akke, while few people who weren't on that team playing would realize how much he did for the team. And while the world was praising s4 for his coils, s4 was thanking Akke for his wards.

All that doesn't matter either way, if they're kicking someone it's because of personality issues. They didn't kick AA and LoH because they were bad (although they weren't in their prime), they did because they didn't have the same aspirations and motivation for that team anymore.

I think a person would have to be not paying attention not to realize that Akke and EGM are the two on Alliance that have the largest impact. Almost all of Na'Vi's bans in the finals were targeting these two, and it almost worked.
Just because you ban something doesn't mean you're targeting the player, it doesn't say that they are remarkably strong on that hero. It might be, but in Na'Vi's case the Naga ban is certainly not to counter EGM's strong Naga play. It's to avoid what happened in the previous series where they were given Wisp and it got wrecked by Naga.

People bring up this whole 'x player has the biggest impact on the team' constantly, and although sure, you can have an MVP of the game for doing something remarkable. It is as a general statement never really full of any substance, because you're comparing people with different roles. The example I brought up is purely to illustrate that the strength of a support is something that is felt much more by the team playing than it will be by spectators unless they're very observant. And in the case of a player like Kuro, is he supporting the team the way that they need/want him to? Only Na'Vi knows. It's not like looking at a carry player where numbers pretty much tell the story in regards to deaths/team-fight participation/farming.
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Windwaker
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany1597 Posts
September 02 2013 14:43 GMT
#2818
wasnt fata playing for them vs vp
i heard he carried hard with tinker
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SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
September 02 2013 15:28 GMT
#2819
On September 02 2013 23:43 Windwaker wrote:
wasnt fata playing for them vs vp
i heard he carried hard with tinker


Yep, Fata was beastmoding all over their face.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 02 2013 15:28 GMT
#2820
On September 02 2013 23:20 Bisu-Fan wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/matches/76613-virtus-pro-vs-uebelst-gamyng

First off, when was this played and why didn't I watch it? Secondly, why is Funn1k playing for VP? Thirdly, how did uebelst win this? haha must see VOD... Funn1k playing for a different team???


It was played yesterday. You can see some more uebelst domination at the top of the hour when it starts up again. The vod should either be on Tobis or Versutas channels. I don't remember which of them streamed that game.
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