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On October 18 2013 02:56 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:55 Testuser wrote:On October 18 2013 02:53 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:51 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Ok then. I think the patch is perfect. 100% amazing and every change makes perfect sense. I don't need to be specific, because it's obvious. way to twist an argument buddy, I said there is plenty in there that you could think didn't make sense meaning you shouldn't need to point out what doesn't make sense. way to not really make an argument buddy You don't understand, I like that patch, I think it's really cool. I'm just saying that there are enough big changes that you could conceive the patch to not make sense, that is my argument. But you people are desperate to argue with every person that seems to be bashing the changes.
When people bash the changes without noting any specifics or making an actual argument, I'm inclined to wonder what the fuck they're on about, yes
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On October 18 2013 02:55 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:54 r.Evo wrote:On October 18 2013 02:51 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Ok then. I think the patch is perfect. 100% amazing and every change makes perfect sense. I don't need to be specific, because it's obvious. I'm tempted to say this patch is the combination of things that he wanted to do for a long time but didn't work in WC3 and further attempts for shorter games/more aggression. The combination of increased gold over time, kill bonus, the jungle, 4 minute nighttime and a random factor for roshan basically screams "go fucking fight". Yeah, it seems IceFrog wants way more action and less waiting around.
Looking over it again in addition to that it's making everything more bullshit (aka more dota) which is awesome. Worst case some things might need to be disabled in -cm or changed a bit soon after they come out but it's gonna be glorious.
tl;dr:
-More action
-More bullshit
-Better Dota
<3 Icefrog. Crisis averted.
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On October 18 2013 02:55 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:51 lightsentry wrote:On October 18 2013 02:48 Osiccor wrote:
huge changes:
solo offlanes can do so much against trilane such as courier snipes and steal jungle exp.
is br still a first ban first pick hero?
with rosh change, you now really need vision around the rosh pit and heroes like visage would rule the pit.
laning got a lot more difficult with the regen nerfs
the nerf to buy backs will change the game more drastically now.
I don't see how courier snipes are easier now, wasn't it just buffs for the walking courier? In paper, it seems to be fairly easy to kill 75 hp walking courier before three minutes, even with the HP and speed increase. Flying Courier - Cannot be purchased until 3 minutes after creeps spawn
Hm, alright I suppose that makes sense missed the flying courier change
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On October 18 2013 02:54 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:51 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Ok then. I think the patch is perfect. 100% amazing and every change makes perfect sense. I don't need to be specific, because it's obvious. I'm tempted to say this patch is the combination of things that he wanted to do for a long time but didn't work in WC3 and further attempts for shorter games/more aggression. The combination of increased gold over time, kill bonus, the jungle, 4 minute nighttime and a random factor for roshan basically screams "go fucking fight".
That's what the goal has been ever since Valve got their hands on DotA. Spectator friendly meta at any cost.
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changes are good. if there 1 thing i learned with all the changes after all these years, Trust Icefrog.
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On October 18 2013 02:53 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:51 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Ok then. I think the patch is perfect. 100% amazing and every change makes perfect sense. I don't need to be specific, because it's obvious. way to twist an argument buddy, I said there is plenty in there that you could think didn't make sense meaning you shouldn't need to point out what doesn't make sense.
You're right, it's perfect and I don't even need to point out why. Some of the changes are so obvious it's unnecessary for me to even talk about them.
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On October 18 2013 02:56 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:54 Fatalize wrote:
Alchesmist got destoyed, good ridance
Naix barely touched, still pretty ridiculous
Bat dead, finally
Furion basically not touched ... ? You increase the bounty on treants by absolutely nothing, when those fucking pieces of shit are tanky as hell?
However Shadow blade got nerfed hard so I hope this rat doto shit is dead
LOL at the 0 cd on Skywrath's ult. Unless you're stupidely farmed you'll never have enough mana to support 2 ults anyway
Some other cool changes, like the timber slight nerf. Some changes feel a bit random though.
And some heroes like necrolyte are still shit I don't think this changes bat a ton ... I mean, lasso is harder to hit, but getting that bit closer shouldn't make bat useless, nor should the change to his base damage, considering his mostly ran in the jungle now-a-days.
Bat's still going to be a good hero. It's more that it's risky to first-pick him now since his laning ability really got nerfed. Before, teams had to pick their mids around a possible mid bat. Now bat can really only be run in offlane/jungle.
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is this even the same game? god damn drastic changes. this will be very interesting. can't wait to see how try offlane play since that's what i usually do.
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Disruptor's aghanim is an AOE doom
pretty gud
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
These changes are just fucking weird.
Like could buyback be more convoluted now? Surely there's a better way to balance it than that.
And random roshan respawn time, errr... why. So now we get people who will complain about 'yeah we won the team-fight and couldn't kill roshan'.
If it's good or not for the game I don't know, but these sort of changes seem completely unnecessary to me at this point.
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On October 18 2013 02:50 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Not one person who said "doesn't make sense" has named even a single change they think doesn't make sense. It's a stupid thing to post if you're not going to actually create a discussion about it.
too many of them are pure ridiculous.
3mins fly courier limit, to nerf mid bottle crow and icefrog went full retard.
Pudge's dagger - why dont they just implement Techies if they wished for serious pub greifing.
Just too many.
I get it this is the first patch that they purposely tweak and change stuffs based on dota2 engine but the amount of ridicules in the patch are just mindblowing. Not that I hate or like it but this is a whole new game from now on.
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tranquil shoes new striders?
mad patch all around :D
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On October 18 2013 02:58 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:56 Testuser wrote:On October 18 2013 02:54 Fatalize wrote:
Alchesmist got destoyed, good ridance
Naix barely touched, still pretty ridiculous
Bat dead, finally
Furion basically not touched ... ? You increase the bounty on treants by absolutely nothing, when those fucking pieces of shit are tanky as hell?
However Shadow blade got nerfed hard so I hope this rat doto shit is dead
LOL at the 0 cd on Skywrath's ult. Unless you're stupidely farmed you'll never have enough mana to support 2 ults anyway
Some other cool changes, like the timber slight nerf. Some changes feel a bit random though.
And some heroes like necrolyte are still shit I don't think this changes bat a ton ... I mean, lasso is harder to hit, but getting that bit closer shouldn't make bat useless, nor should the change to his base damage, considering his mostly ran in the jungle now-a-days. Bat's still going to be a good hero. It's more that it's risky to first-pick him now since his laning ability really got nerfed. Before, teams had to pick their mids around a possible mid bat. Now bat can really only be run in offlane/jungle.
and his jungle can't be shared with safelane since he needs the small camp. makes him run as a lane support, essentially.
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I apologize if this has already been answered, but when it says:
* Buyback prevents gaining unreliable gold (creeps, neutrals, etc) until your normal respawn time finishes
* When buying back, 25% of the remaining respawn time will be added to your next death
Does that mean that after a buyback and until you would have respawned normally...
a) you get 0 gold from unreliable sources (creeps etc)
b) you get gold from unreliable sources, but you get it as reliable
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On October 18 2013 02:58 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:55 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:54 r.Evo wrote:On October 18 2013 02:51 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:49 Targe wrote:On October 18 2013 02:47 theqat wrote:On October 18 2013 02:46 Erasme wrote:On October 18 2013 02:44 Plansix wrote:On October 18 2013 02:41 Erasme wrote:
i dont like that patch at all Someone doesn't like change or his cheese being moved. Not really, a lot of these changes don't make any sense I should prolly switch to LoL anyway til dota stops lagging for me You can't just say that things "don't make sense" without being specific. This just makes people think you haven't thought things through at all. It's like saying "the sky is falling" when you haven't seen the impact of the changes yet. What doesn't make sense? there's loads of big changes in there that you could think don't make sense, no need to be specific. Ok then. I think the patch is perfect. 100% amazing and every change makes perfect sense. I don't need to be specific, because it's obvious. I'm tempted to say this patch is the combination of things that he wanted to do for a long time but didn't work in WC3 and further attempts for shorter games/more aggression. The combination of increased gold over time, kill bonus, the jungle, 4 minute nighttime and a random factor for roshan basically screams "go fucking fight". Yeah, it seems IceFrog wants way more action and less waiting around. Looking over it again in addition to that it's making everything more bullshit (aka more dota) which is awesome. Worst case some things might need to be disabled in -cm or changed a bit soon after they come out but it's gonna be glorious. tl;dr: -More action -More bullshit -Better Dota <3 Icefrog. Crisis averted.
With the 2-1-2 versus trilane thing he's done though I really hope that trilanes are still viable, but to the point where dual lanes are too, creating a 3-1-1 vs 2-1-2 scenario.
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On October 18 2013 02:52 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 02:50 Gentso wrote:
Wait a minute... is a a minute cooldown to use a tango to eat a tree each time or only a minute cooldown to give a charge to someone else?!?! The CD is for giving it to someone else. Also, it'll be interesting to see how teams will do in the future, since this means pulling is basically over. Or well, you just can't pull a ton to your carry anymore.
"puppey, come at mid
i need your regen, fast"
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I'm calling this patch a fake for 2 reasons:
1) It hasn't been posted on Playdota
2) Some of the changes are fucking stupid ( ex: roshan ).
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On October 18 2013 03:00 Cold Warpgates wrote:I apologize if this has already been answered, but when it says: Show nested quote +* Buyback prevents gaining unreliable gold (creeps, neutrals, etc) until your normal respawn time finishes
* When buying back, 25% of the remaining respawn time will be added to your next death Does that mean that after a buyback and until you would have respawned normally... a) you get 0 gold from unreliable sources (creeps etc) b) you get gold from unreliable sources, but you get it as reliable
A
You will not be able to get gold from unreliable sources.
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