hmm... Pretty nice overall, but I think VG should be 2nd and iG 3rd, VG is winning a lot and iG lost against titan, who isn't even on the list.

the west is debatable, but I think it pretty much sums it up.

synapse

China13814 Posts

April 07 2014 22:54 GMT

#84

On April 08 2014 07:29 lowercase wrote:
Where is Virtus Pro and Fnatic?

not in the top 5 western teams.

Kometijanac

Serbia98 Posts

April 07 2014 22:56 GMT

#85

Seems like Na'vi is first just cause they are fan favorites, cause there isn't any other criteria which shows that Na'vi is currently best team in the west. They played less games then other 4 in last 3 months (maybe Alliance played less, but i feel Alliance right now deserves 5th place in rankings), also lost pretty much all games to Empire and they are even at best with C9. Yes, you can say they aren't in full form, they haven't been practicing, they are fucking around and blablabla, but same could be said for C9 too (i highly doubt that EE is that much of a feeder, they are just experimenting with their potentials and with different heroes, as every team should do right now, TI is like 3 months from now...)

Also, everybody is talking how Empire is hottest team right now, they have like sick streak and what not, on the other hand, EG is also good, but not good enough for first two places, cause they played 2nd tier NA teams and whatnot... How is EG worse than Empire, when 70%+ Empire's wins are from 2nd tier Europe teams, or from top tier CIS teams, which aren't all the greatest teams right now, i feel like only three good teams from CIS region right now are Empire, Na'vi and ROX

My point is, this rankings should have waited SL finals, publishing this thread this early is kinda rushed and disappointing. Feels like you published this just for clicks and drama, tho i highly doubt this is true knowing TL is not that kind of organization...

_SpiRaL_

Afghanistan1636 Posts

April 07 2014 23:07 GMT

#86

The 4 individual ranks clearly put Empire as #1 so why have you got N'avi there? Empire is number 1 in the rankings please correct this unless there are more than the 4 explicitly stated people voting? If not you have made an error.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 07 2014 23:24 GMT

#87

On April 08 2014 07:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Pretty confident Na'vi would not have been ranked first if their team name was anything else.

Yep, but yet it is the fact that they are Na'Vi that tells you their record does not. When they turn it on, they are like no other team.

Caladbolg

2855 Posts

April 07 2014 23:43 GMT

#88

Empire should still be number 1. Both head to head and win rate favor them quite a bit over Na'vi. EG shouldn't be included because they're not really part of the eu scene whereas c9 is. Too difficult to compare cross-region. I mean, talk about inflated stats.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

April 07 2014 23:44 GMT

#89

On April 08 2014 08:24 Plansix wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yep, but yet it is the fact that they are Na'Vi that tells you their record does not. When they turn it on, they are like no other team.

But I thought power ranks were supposed to be about who is performing the best at the moment, not who is the most skilled or has the best record over the past three years or whatever.

Acritter

Syria7637 Posts

April 07 2014 23:56 GMT

#90

Seems about right. I would have liked to see rankings for NA done separately from EU, and a Korean scene rank included. Maybe separate China and SEA to boot, but either way, I'd have just liked to see some more depth than just east/west.

MyrMindservant

695 Posts

April 07 2014 23:59 GMT

#91

It's pretty funny to see so many people doubt Na'Vi after they lost some online games. Anyone who has followed the scene for at least half a year should know that Na'Vi are much stronger on LAN and that they also up their play substantially in playoffs.

To be honest, I find EU/NA Power Rank to be very silly. Not because I disagree with teams placement, but because there were no conditions to see what several teams are really capable of.
We didn't have major LANs since Starladder 8 finals in January and any rating based on online play is bound to be extremely inaccurate. Teams like Na'Vi and Fnatic are known to play better at LAN, large part of EG's games were played against teams in Europe and cross-server results are very dependent on which team gets more games at its "home" server.

At least we will have Starladder 9 finals pretty soon and they should show us something much closer to the real picture. It would've been even better if all good european teams could take part in them, but oh well, you can't have everything I guess.

Ojahh

Ireland728 Posts

April 08 2014 00:22 GMT

#92

how is fnatic not in this??

watch semi and finals of the XMG-CD against [A] and Na'Vi they smashed them to pieces

PR West

1 NaVi
2 Fnatic
3 Alliance
4 Empire
5 C9

Eg is only slightly better than TL

blobrus

4297 Posts

April 08 2014 00:31 GMT

#93

On April 08 2014 09:22 Ojahh wrote:
how is fnatic not in this??

watch semi and finals of the XMG-CD against [A] and Na'Vi they smashed them to pieces

PR West

1 NaVi
2 Fnatic
3 Alliance
4 Empire
5 C9

Eg is only slightly better than TL

CD isn't cm, which is what the majority of tournaments are. Fnatic have been average in most tournaments.

There are multiple ways your ranking is poor but the last sentence sums it up.

GranDGranT

Sri Lanka2141 Posts

April 08 2014 00:31 GMT

#94

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

April 08 2014 00:49 GMT

#95

wat

Fnatic is doing meh apart from that XMG CD tournament.

Eternalobi

Canada220 Posts

April 08 2014 00:55 GMT

#96

I have no problem with east rankings.
West rankings I would have:
1. EG
2. Navi
3. Cloud 9
4. Empire
5. Alliance

Right now I don't think Navi Cloud 9 Empire can even touch DK, but I think EG can.
I understand that Empire had a long winning streak. But you got to win in the playoffs, not regular season, they didn't win any major championship during that span. Getting knocked out of D2CL doesn't help. I am not convinced of Empire unless they finish top 4 at Star Ladder at the very least, but highly unlikely. EG is a new team, but they playing like they played together for 3 years. And the way they finish their games, is mostly one sided. I have Navi and Cloud 9 2nd and 3rd the 2 finalist for D2CL. Alliance a little like iG last year. Good but not the best pre TI 3.

Sabu113

United States11043 Posts

April 08 2014 01:11 GMT

#97

On April 08 2014 01:20 Dubzex wrote:
Nice but I thought c9 would be above alliance at least.

Me too but then then again they managed to lose to liquid.

andyrau

13015 Posts

April 08 2014 01:37 GMT

#98

On April 08 2014 04:40 Plansix wrote:

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Except for the part where EG beat them and they lost to liquid. Greed is not always good, no matter what Wall Street says.

uh then they stomped the shit out of tl in d2l

again, point is it's not completely inconceivable for someone to put them over eg in a ranking, especially if you consider that he ranks c9 below simply off a head to head winrate.
eg hasn't even played na'vi or alliance, whereas c9 has beat both teams, albeit in a small online sample size. not saying that eg is necessarily a worse team due to lack of sampling, but I could see the reasoning for ranking c9 > eg

Yamulo

United States2096 Posts

April 08 2014 01:55 GMT

#99

EG is destroying everyone they play. 2-0 Empire, 2-0 C9, and plenty of other nice results and they still get the shaft. They are getting these results with a stand in. I am a Liquid fan, but EG is on fire and I don't think Empire should be that highly rated as they have been dropping sets lately.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

April 08 2014 02:09 GMT

#100

On April 08 2014 08:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:

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But I thought power ranks were supposed to be about who is performing the best at the moment, not who is the most skilled or has the best record over the past three years or whatever.

Except Na'Vi has a really good record in Starladder and clearly gives actively no fucks about the MLG event. They are the same team they have always been and do well in the events they care about. And that team is still one of the best teams out there.

And lets be clear, the distance between 1-5 is not huge. All these teams are very good.