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tuho12345
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Levistus
1134 Posts
On November 21 2012 05:21 serum321 wrote: You can generate fury way faster than hatred or disclipine. Also if you wanted with unforgiving passive and 5pc ik set you can keep sprint - marathon up 100% of the time without losing fury. i meant using marathon over run like the wind as you said in your post. | ||
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Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
But the thing I absolutely love about the WD build is the 50+ pickup radius! ;-D | ||
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Franthier
China64 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 21 2012 05:43 serum321 wrote: I didn't say it can't be done, I'm saying, in my experience - having played both classes end game, a barb's fury regeneration is much better than a dh's resource regeneration. Gear can alleviate those issues, but its not cheap. Edit - I mean I don't get what the op is complaining about barb fury generation, as I play my barb right now once I fill up my fury I never run out. If he thinks this is bad you definitely don't want to touch dh. Vengeance will keep a DHs resources maxed, so it's never an issue at low MP runs. I think a Barb will be faster if you're picking up more items, but a DH will be faster the more you ignore items. Assuming that both are extremely well-geared, of course. | ||
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
I can't even believe DH is even in this conversation. Regretful owner of lvl 98 DH. Proud owner of lvl 59 Barb. The difference in speed is TOO immense even to compare. Barbarians are the Hammerdins of D2. If you want efficient farming, make Barb. | ||
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Confuse
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serum321
United States606 Posts
On November 27 2012 13:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Vengeance will keep a DHs resources maxed, so it's never an issue at low MP runs. I think a Barb will be faster if you're picking up more items, but a DH will be faster the more you ignore items. Assuming that both are extremely well-geared, of course. The question in the op was if assuming you're 1 shotting mobs which class clears a3 mp0 the fastest and the answer is barb. An extremely well geared dh may come close, but you could do the same thing you do w/ a 10m barb that you can do w/ a 500m dh. Spend 10m on a barb and 10m on a dh and tell me the dh doesn't have massive resource regeneration problems in comparison to the barb. And that is just to come close, there is a reason why the first person to paragon lvl 100 by a wide margin was a barb and then the next 99 ppl barbs outnumbers all other classes combined. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
additionally, barbs are, design-wise, very well-suited for high MP lvls while dhs struggle the most of all classes when they cant kill monsters fast enough. oh, and on high mp levels, barbs with godly gear and hammer build rule supreme. just watch kongor kill MP 10 ubers in less than a minute. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 29 2012 00:54 serum321 wrote: The question in the op was if assuming you're 1 shotting mobs which class clears a3 mp0 the fastest and the answer is barb. An extremely well geared dh may come close, but you could do the same thing you do w/ a 10m barb that you can do w/ a 500m dh. Spend 10m on a barb and 10m on a dh and tell me the dh doesn't have massive resource regeneration problems in comparison to the barb. And that is just to come close, there is a reason why the first person to paragon lvl 100 by a wide margin was a barb and then the next 99 ppl barbs outnumbers all other classes combined. Tons of ridiculous hyperbole here... A 10m Barb will have like 1/3rd the DPS of a 500m DH. There is no way in hell that a Barb with 10 mil will oneshot elite packs, which 500m for DH can do. And once again, as long as you're 1-2 shotting white mobs as a DH, resource management is never an issue in MP0 runs. Ever. Barbs don't run out of Fury, but a DH won't run out of hatred or discipline. No point comparing either, because neither have issues. By the way, the #2 character to Paragon 100 was a Demon Hunter. And he was only a day or two behind. Reaching P100 wasn't about speed, it was about spending 10-14 hours a day doing it. When it comes to speed, a Barb will run faster, but has to either run up to each enemy or wait for them to clump and go back to kill them. A Demon Hunter will move slower on average, but kills all enemies from range. A DH that ignores all drops and just kills everything can essentially just run through each area in a straight line, while a barb will have to zigzag or backtrack to kill mobs. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
1. Barb 2. Monk 3. DH 4 Wiz 5. WD | ||
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serum321
United States606 Posts
On November 29 2012 04:26 WolfintheSheep wrote: Tons of ridiculous hyperbole here... A 10m Barb will have like 1/3rd the DPS of a 500m DH. There is no way in hell that a Barb with 10 mil will oneshot elite packs, which 500m for DH can do. And once again, as long as you're 1-2 shotting white mobs as a DH, resource management is never an issue in MP0 runs. Ever. Barbs don't run out of Fury, but a DH won't run out of hatred or discipline. No point comparing either, because neither have issues. By the way, the #2 character to Paragon 100 was a Demon Hunter. And he was only a day or two behind. Reaching P100 wasn't about speed, it was about spending 10-14 hours a day doing it. When it comes to speed, a Barb will run faster, but has to either run up to each enemy or wait for them to clump and go back to kill them. A Demon Hunter will move slower on average, but kills all enemies from range. A DH that ignores all drops and just kills everything can essentially just run through each area in a straight line, while a barb will have to zigzag or backtrack to kill mobs. 3 and 1/2 days when you're racing to #1 is an eternity and alkaizer said he slowed down in the end because the dh was no threat to catch him. I've always seen when ppl mention they can 1 shot most mobs to mean mostly 1 shotting white mobs, of course a ww barb in 10m gear can't one shot an elite pack, but neither can a dh. You're right about one thing though a barb with 10m in gear has about 1/3 the sheet dps of a 500m dh; but both can clear a3 mp0 at about the same speed, because they are both mostly one shotting things. Higher mp lvls, sure the dh will farm faster; but a half billion barb and a half billion dh are not even close. If you're one shotting things with a ww barb there is no waiting for clumping or zig zagging, you just mow on through. If you claim to never have resource issues because of vengeance then you need to run just as much as the barb to collect health globes unless you want to spend 1b in gear to get good stats and pickup radius. I just actually counted the top 100 a little while ago and I was a little off, it was something like 46 barbs in the top 100, does that not tell you that barbs farm xp at a faster rate? One class out of five and nearly 50% are one class. You are looking at dh through rose colored glasses. | ||
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zylog
Canada943 Posts
- drop wotb so you can stack rend/overpower/leap, this allows you to burst down elites. Loses 20% movespeed - use hota to sustain wotb instead of WW Loses moving attack - throttle damage down with a low dps mighty weapon might not be able to burst down elites as quickly with the gimped dps Meanwhile, the gear requirements for doing mp0 are quite low so some builds that impractically weak before are now quite viable for mp0. Monks can tempest rush and now have enough dps relative to the mobs to be able to oneshot in a single pass. WD can combine both horrify and spirit walk and have it cooldown instantly to be perpetually moving quickly. Builds like these don't rely on enemies being able to sustain a certain numbers of hits before dying, but instead on internal resource generation (tempest rush) or monster kills (gruesome feast). | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
In 1.04 the DH could 1 shot all trash without stopping using vault and then 2-3 shot elites with cluster arrow. There is no way for a barb to keep pace with this because the barb cannot keep up WotB while 1 shotting trash so is inherently slower. I think the paragon leveling race is a testament to Alkaizer's farming ingenuity: he created a farming route that is still the most efficient today and maximized the potential of an underused item (at the time). | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
Passives SS (my mf gear doesn't have a lot of crit) Tactical Advantage Vengeance Skills are Vault - Tumble Companion - Bat Rain of Vengeance - Beastly Bombs Shadow Power - Gloom Hungering Arrow - Puncturing Arrow Multishot - Suppression Fire It mainly goes like this White Mobs Vault to mobs ( Discipline might be low ) Multishot (most mobs dead and full disc globe) Vault through health globes (to restore hatred) and Multishot until clear Elites Gloom -> Bomb -> Continue as if White Mobs I never run out of discipline and on the odd chance i kill ~20 mobs and there's no health globe Puncturing Arrow cleans up the leftovers very fast and i'll have a full disc globe to keep on vaulting to the next pack. And bat + Puncturing clean up usually puts me at ~4/5 of a hatred globe before i hit then next pack. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
on the other hand, the hammer build can be ridiculously fast at killing shit even in higher monster power levels. if a 3-5 billion gold barb can clear mp6 in about 1.5 times the duration of an mp0-2 clear of an x billion dh, he might gain exp quicker in the end. | ||
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zylog
Canada943 Posts
On November 29 2012 09:16 ArC_man wrote: There's a difference between clearing mobs the fastest and gaining XP the fastest. 1.04 DH is IMO the fastest farmer in the game (and still might be in 1.05 if outrageously geared) if properly played but isn't the fastest leveler. Why is this? Because as a DH you're forced to choose between SoJ (which wasn't properly utilized during the leveling race early on by most) or Leoric's ring in 1.04 (since legacy Nat's set is mandatory for breakneck speed farming). Barbs can utilize both rings to not only destroy elites quickly but also level much faster as well. In 1.04 the DH could 1 shot all trash without stopping using vault and then 2-3 shot elites with cluster arrow. There is no way for a barb to keep pace with this because the barb cannot keep up WotB while 1 shotting trash so is inherently slower. I think the paragon leveling race is a testament to Alkaizer's farming ingenuity: he created a farming route that is still the most efficient today and maximized the potential of an underused item (at the time). Additionally, Alkaizer deliberately limited kept his DPS low enough with a mighty weapon so that he could maintain WotB, while using the SOJ + rend to help kill elites quickly despite the lower DPS. Also I don't think that he used the SOJ in conjunction with the Leoric's. I remember him saying that he swapped out the Leoric's in favour of the SOJ. | ||
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skorched
United States81 Posts
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banatboy
120 Posts
http://de.twitch.tv/jarmenster/b/341239725 strafespec i think this is one of the fastest specs to clear mobs u can manage sub10min alkaizer runs with it and can keep your sprint up almost 100% same strat i use on my DH when clearing mobs :D | ||
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Levistus
1134 Posts
On December 02 2012 09:22 banatboy wrote: same strat i use on my DH when clearing mobs :D whats your damage? how much damage do you need to one hit trash mobs with a DH anyway? | ||
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