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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 19 2012 02:12 GMT
#2501
Yea, I finally converted to the 4pc Inna side of TRing. I still pick up the occasional rare, so end up standing around clicking vendor trash so just spam SW since my regen with DWing is 14.46/17.82.

I also just gave up and downgraded my gloves just to use all legendary/set so its easier to tell if I id crap too fast and equip it.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
November 19 2012 10:41 GMT
#2502
Okay, thanks for the responses guys. I'm a bit lost on what to do now in the game actually, so maybe picking up a gimmicky mp10 thing could be fun. In the mid 60 range for paragon and leveling is pretty slow now : / we'll see i guess
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
FosTA
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada154 Posts
November 19 2012 14:18 GMT
#2503
Hello,

I'm using a monk as my main and believe I have done a good job so far, but I feel like I'm missing something.

I just tried my luck out on a Skorn but found that it has very low DPS 1.29 but a higher base dmg 70k.
I also have 2 one handers that have 1.9dps but a lower base dmg of 50k unbuff.

If anyone can guide me in the direction that would be very helpful.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/LgNFosTA-1652/hero/3811714


Thank you
FosTA | LgN - Pulse - LYGF - MgZ - Exist |StarCraft Manager
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
November 19 2012 17:19 GMT
#2504
On November 19 2012 23:18 FosTA wrote:
Hello,

I'm using a monk as my main and believe I have done a good job so far, but I feel like I'm missing something.

I just tried my luck out on a Skorn but found that it has very low DPS 1.29 but a higher base dmg 70k.
I also have 2 one handers that have 1.9dps but a lower base dmg of 50k unbuff.

If anyone can guide me in the direction that would be very helpful.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/LgNFosTA-1652/hero/3811714


Thank you


You are missing crit chance, 11.5% is really low. Try to get about thirty at least. Your right ring and bracers can easily give you 13% or so very cheap!
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 18:14:37
November 19 2012 18:12 GMT
#2505
well technically his crit chance is 16.5, but that's still low. also, bracers should not be his first upgrade. the lacunis are what puts him at 24% move speed which is crucial for efficient farming imo. at the moment, crit chance should be coming from ring/amulet/glove. unfortunately he's sorta gimped because none of his inna's pieces give any resists, nor does his shoulders so losing the AR from his jewelry/gloves is gonna hurt him

how much gold do you have to work with? i've built plenty of monk sets for people ranging from all budgets

also, why are you using OWE. all your gears give all resists except your bracers. you're wasting a passive slot for +35 all resists?
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 19 2012 18:12 GMT
#2506
On November 19 2012 10:10 wooozy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 09:44 Praetorial wrote:
"snapshot"?

Does that mean activate sweeping wind with one weapon then switch to another?


yeah pretty much. sweeping wind's damage goes off your damage at the point of cast, so ideally you'll want to equip a strong 2h weapon (usually skorn or a flying dragon after proc), cast all your buffs, then cast your sweeping winds. that sweeping winds will permanently keep (or "snapshot") that damage so you'll want to keep it up for as long as possible.

side note: recasting sweeping winds before it goes down will refresh it with the snapshotted damage. a lot easier with 4p inna's because it will only cost 5 spirit, but easily doable without

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 09:29 Confuse wrote:
hm, okay. well, is it worth it to do so? Seems like unless mp10 is a much better farm place then it's a bit iffy? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand monk that well aside from the core build.


it's more of a gimmicky mp10 uber killing strat. i know of some monks who buy a budget defensive set and utilize snapshotted sweeping winds to farm higher MP, but it's hardly worth it when you can just do a ton of fast mp0-3 runs for more exp and arguably more loot

personally i never bother snapshotting with a 2h because i'm lazy. blazing wrath/blind/scoundrel buff is enough for me


To expand on this: the following gets snapshotted by your sweeping winds:

Attack speed (the frequency of the damage ticks)
Weapon damage (the size of the ticks)
Crit chance / Crit damage (although I forget now if SW can even crit; too many numbers on my screen)
*life steal*

I've been abusing the last one whenever I see a reflect damage mob; I'll run away and snapshot with my 2h lifesteal weapon then come back and fight.

Also, good to remember: Faith in the Light scales with attack speed, so you don't always get the most damage snapshotting a 2h weapon.

As for the Sledgefist trick; I never understood it myself; why bother when you could just spec Scorpion Sting and literally kick the crap out of ubers? I guess that means you can't use EP, WoL, SSS or w/e, but those barely do damage with a Sledgefist anyways.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 19 2012 18:22 GMT
#2507
doesn't it cost 30 mana?
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#2508
It does; so you might have to forgo refreshing Overawe every now and then, depending on your passive spirit generation (or if you use Infused with Light over Blazing Wrath which I'm slowly preferring).
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
November 19 2012 19:30 GMT
#2509
I still see a lot of mis-infomation and assumptions when it comes to snapshotting, so I will paste the info from some monks much smarter than me that actually worked out the mechanics back in June/July when the 'snap shot' was fist taken advantage of.

Snapshot DAMAGE components:
- Active weapon damage per hit.
- Dexterity
- Critical hit damage increase
- Adds X% to ELEMENT Damage
- ELEMENT skills deal X% more damage.
- Sweeping Wind Damage by X%
- Life Steal
- Blinding Flash - Faith in the Light
- Breath of Heaven - Blazing Wrath's

Dynamic Damage components:
- Attacks per second
- Critical hit chance

And everything is so logical.. The snapshot components are namely the things that practically compose the DAMAGE part of the "dps" concept. The dynamic components are the factors that say when or if it will be applied, building the PER SECOND part of the "dps" approximation concept.

So the optimal way to abuse this is to max the first part, buff up, cast sweeping, then swap to ias/crit gear. Of course, MP0 is so easy you can do whatever way suits you best. I like punching vs twirling personally :-)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 19 2012 20:42 GMT
#2510
I think you're confusing crit chance used to proc-cyclones versus crit change used to calculate sweeping wind dps.

SW has been conclusively proven to scale with your current crit chance. Since it's snapshotting every other component of your dps; I see no reason why this one component would be an exception:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4551990465

The same logic applies to attack speed; SW has also been proven to scale with attack speed:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4551990465

You are right though that the proc-rate on cyclones *does* depend on your active set up (namely how often you crit, so current attacks/second + crit hit chance). But those things are also used by the sweeping wind damage itself and I have no reason to believe they aren't snapshotted.

Further confirmation:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7179258434#6 (also confirms my suspision that SW crits show up as white numbers like EP crits).
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
November 19 2012 20:44 GMT
#2511
On November 20 2012 03:12 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 10:10 wooozy wrote:
On November 19 2012 09:44 Praetorial wrote:
"snapshot"?

Does that mean activate sweeping wind with one weapon then switch to another?


yeah pretty much. sweeping wind's damage goes off your damage at the point of cast, so ideally you'll want to equip a strong 2h weapon (usually skorn or a flying dragon after proc), cast all your buffs, then cast your sweeping winds. that sweeping winds will permanently keep (or "snapshot") that damage so you'll want to keep it up for as long as possible.

side note: recasting sweeping winds before it goes down will refresh it with the snapshotted damage. a lot easier with 4p inna's because it will only cost 5 spirit, but easily doable without

On November 19 2012 09:29 Confuse wrote:
hm, okay. well, is it worth it to do so? Seems like unless mp10 is a much better farm place then it's a bit iffy? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand monk that well aside from the core build.


it's more of a gimmicky mp10 uber killing strat. i know of some monks who buy a budget defensive set and utilize snapshotted sweeping winds to farm higher MP, but it's hardly worth it when you can just do a ton of fast mp0-3 runs for more exp and arguably more loot

personally i never bother snapshotting with a 2h because i'm lazy. blazing wrath/blind/scoundrel buff is enough for me


To expand on this: the following gets snapshotted by your sweeping winds:

Attack speed (the frequency of the damage ticks)
Weapon damage (the size of the ticks)
Crit chance / Crit damage (although I forget now if SW can even crit; too many numbers on my screen)
*life steal*

I've been abusing the last one whenever I see a reflect damage mob; I'll run away and snapshot with my 2h lifesteal weapon then come back and fight.

Also, good to remember: Faith in the Light scales with attack speed, so you don't always get the most damage snapshotting a 2h weapon.

As for the Sledgefist trick; I never understood it myself; why bother when you could just spec Scorpion Sting and literally kick the crap out of ubers? I guess that means you can't use EP, WoL, SSS or w/e, but those barely do damage with a Sledgefist anyways.


The way that I do is it to put on gear with
- high dex
- +dmg
- crit damage
- SOJ for elite damage
- sweeping wind damage

I wear the above for the snapshot, some IAS would be nice too to improve Faith in the Light, but I don't make it as much of a priority because I'm too cheap. With so much damage stacked on your cyclones, it's possible to take down Azmodan mp10 with just a white 1.8 APS dagger and a sledgefist (this isn't ideal, it was just for fun/experimenting). The sledge fist itself is rather nice in that it stuns and provides +APS for your other hand so you can generate cyclones extremely quickly.
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 06:35:38
November 20 2012 06:21 GMT
#2512
But it snapshots the overall LS you have, not only when my LS weapon is active in the moment i snapshot, right?

And on a side note: Has anyone played around with the additional FoT damage on Inna´s Radiance? I just saw one with 12%, wouldn´t that be a crazy dps increase, especially with a WKL?
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 20 2012 06:56 GMT
#2513
i use additional sweeping winds damage on my inna's (couldn't find a decent FoT one at the time and i was fine with either skill). i like it a lot more than double resists or spirit regen
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
November 20 2012 07:29 GMT
#2514
Well, i think i´m gonna try to get a cheap one, all these hidden dps....lost clear view.
But i think i should be a good increase.
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 07:39:06
November 20 2012 07:35 GMT
#2515
On November 20 2012 03:12 wooozy wrote:
well technically his crit chance is 16.5, but that's still low. also, bracers should not be his first upgrade. the lacunis are what puts him at 24% move speed which is crucial for efficient farming imo. at the moment, crit chance should be coming from ring/amulet/glove. unfortunately he's sorta gimped because none of his inna's pieces give any resists, nor does his shoulders so losing the AR from his jewelry/gloves is gonna hurt him

how much gold do you have to work with? i've built plenty of monk sets for people ranging from all budgets

also, why are you using OWE. all your gears give all resists except your bracers. you're wasting a passive slot for +35 all resists?


Woops, where I said bracers, I meant gloves of course! Confused the two

@ fosta, I would go for a high crit chance on the gloves, look for a ring with dex and crit chance to replace your strength ring and upgrade your shoulders to include AR. You could give up a bit of vit in trade-offs...
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
November 20 2012 23:55 GMT
#2516
On November 20 2012 15:21 Samba wrote:
But it snapshots the overall LS you have, not only when my LS weapon is active in the moment i snapshot, right?

And on a side note: Has anyone played around with the additional FoT damage on Inna´s Radiance? I just saw one with 12%, wouldn´t that be a crazy dps increase, especially with a WKL?

My friend and I tested this out the other day. Snapshotting with a non-lifesteal skorn led to high damage but poor survivability. So, we went and bought a lifesteal skorn, and now my friend can tank mp10 no problem. Therefore, it seems that the lifesteal of the cyclones is dependent on having lifesteal when snapshotting, having lifesteal on your dual wield setup only steals life from FOT, in which case LOH might be a better option there.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 00:45:18
November 21 2012 00:41 GMT
#2517
On November 21 2012 08:55 zylog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 15:21 Samba wrote:
But it snapshots the overall LS you have, not only when my LS weapon is active in the moment i snapshot, right?

And on a side note: Has anyone played around with the additional FoT damage on Inna´s Radiance? I just saw one with 12%, wouldn´t that be a crazy dps increase, especially with a WKL?

My friend and I tested this out the other day. Snapshotting with a non-lifesteal skorn led to high damage but poor survivability. So, we went and bought a lifesteal skorn, and now my friend can tank mp10 no problem. Therefore, it seems that the lifesteal of the cyclones is dependent on having lifesteal when snapshotting, having lifesteal on your dual wield setup only steals life from FOT, in which case LOH might be a better option there.


sorry, I couldn't understand that part. could you expand? Also your previous comment about +APS giving your offhand more swings? Does +APS work like that?
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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 21 2012 00:49 GMT
#2518
yeah, APS applies to both hands. that's one of the main reasons echoing fury is one of the best weapons
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 21 2012 01:03 GMT
#2519
On November 21 2012 09:49 wooozy wrote:
yeah, APS applies to both hands. that's one of the main reasons echoing fury is one of the best weapons


Oh shit, now you tell me In that case, time to drop WKL I guess.
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wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 21 2012 01:20 GMT
#2520
well don't forget echoing fury has fear on hit which is really annoying
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