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so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/
here is why:
you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? 
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat.
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On May 26 2012 03:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I feel like diamond skin is a lot worse version of arcane armor now.
Best option for blocking a single hit that would otherwise rip a lot of health off. I can't see myself not using it.
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Lalalaland34490 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:58 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
True, but you have to stand and cast . On elites it could get you killed. BUT I think I'll use some attack speed rings/gloves to make it easier. Idk, I can't play atm, but I'm gonna try a LOT of different builds when I get home in act2/3. Yeah, throw the attack speed on the non-weapon stuff. Meanwhile, Orb reigns supreme, Azmodan down. http://i.imgur.com/Rmcg1.jpg (keeps messing up format when I post it directly) PS: anyone who says hp/defense is silly for Wizard is insane, being able to run over Hellish Ground for a few seconds is pretty cool.
Wow wtb your gear 
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Lalalaland34490 Posts
On May 26 2012 03:25 NB wrote:so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/ here is why: you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat.
I really liked this build while using it but do you know if attack speed % affects blizzard at all? I have 4 pieces of gear with attack speed and I'd rather not waste it.
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On May 26 2012 03:25 NB wrote:so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/ here is why: you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat.
It seems to me you're just saying AO is harder to execute properly. Based on what I've seen I'd agree. However I'm going to give it a try tonight since there's way more dps and I get really tired of kiting the same mobs forever doing pretty bad damage with blizzard. If you can survive reasonably well with AO you can kill stuff way faster.
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Does anyone know if your armor/resistance is applied before or after FA?
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On May 26 2012 03:33 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 03:25 NB wrote:so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/ here is why: you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat. I really liked this build while using it but do you know if attack speed % affects blizzard at all? I have 4 pieces of gear with attack speed and I'd rather not waste it.
IAS doesn't help blizzard damage. It does help you cast blizzard more easily while kiting though.
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On May 26 2012 03:33 w3jjjj wrote:
Does anyone know if your armor/resistance is applied before or after FA?
Most likely before, as if it's after you'd never see it proc.
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On May 26 2012 03:36 akisa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 03:33 w3jjjj wrote:
Does anyone know if your armor/resistance is applied before or after FA? Most likely before, as if it's after you'd never see it proc.
Definitely before, if you take off your gear (or have it break) you'll see hilarious numbers in the 300k+ range from hits. Obviously, those aren't what you're actually taking with armor.
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On May 26 2012 03:25 NB wrote:so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/ here is why: you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat.
I think it's silly to compare yourself to another wizard. Might have different gear/be worse than you. But even if you die more often, as long as you get it down faster that's fine by me. If I'm facing a mob and it takes me like 10 minutes to get it down, or I get it to 10% and I die with blizzard I wouldn't like the build. In any case, attack speed is important to stay alive.
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Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/
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On May 26 2012 03:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/
Eh unless your boots are completely insane relative to the rest of your gear 12% faster movement speed means I'm hitting stuff so much more frequently instead of just kiting that even if the stats look worse I kill stuff more quickly.
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On May 26 2012 04:05 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 03:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/ Eh unless your boots are completely insane relative to the rest of your gear 12% faster movement speed means I'm hitting stuff so much more frequently instead of just kiting that even if the stats look worse I kill stuff more quickly.
Probably best to have 2 sets, one for kiting and killing normal stuff, and one for pure power (bosses).
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On May 26 2012 04:08 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:05 diophan wrote:On May 26 2012 03:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/ Eh unless your boots are completely insane relative to the rest of your gear 12% faster movement speed means I'm hitting stuff so much more frequently instead of just kiting that even if the stats look worse I kill stuff more quickly. Probably best to have 2 sets, one for kiting and killing normal stuff, and one for pure power (bosses).
Or if you're amazing, walk around with the two sets, and right before you attack, switch into the one with higher damage, then switch back before you start running.
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On May 26 2012 04:10 akisa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:08 Dfgj wrote:On May 26 2012 04:05 diophan wrote:On May 26 2012 03:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/ Eh unless your boots are completely insane relative to the rest of your gear 12% faster movement speed means I'm hitting stuff so much more frequently instead of just kiting that even if the stats look worse I kill stuff more quickly. Probably best to have 2 sets, one for kiting and killing normal stuff, and one for pure power (bosses). Or if you're amazing, walk around with the two sets, and right before you attack, switch into the one with higher damage, then switch back before you start running.
Don't forget to swap into a full mf set after the last shot is fired but before it connects, in order to get maximum impact damage AND magic find!
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On May 26 2012 04:11 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:10 akisa wrote:On May 26 2012 04:08 Dfgj wrote:On May 26 2012 04:05 diophan wrote:On May 26 2012 03:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Also wish I could get movement speed boots but I'd lose too many stats =/ Eh unless your boots are completely insane relative to the rest of your gear 12% faster movement speed means I'm hitting stuff so much more frequently instead of just kiting that even if the stats look worse I kill stuff more quickly. Probably best to have 2 sets, one for kiting and killing normal stuff, and one for pure power (bosses). Or if you're amazing, walk around with the two sets, and right before you attack, switch into the one with higher damage, then switch back before you start running. Don't forget to swap into a full mf set after the last shot is fired but before it connects, in order to get maximum impact damage AND magic find!
Korean D3 at it's finest.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The thing which I really dislike about the Blizzard/Magic missle build is that you don't have teleport, which makes you totally incapeable of killing jailer mobs(yes they are killeable with Arcane Orb, some of them) On top of this, teleport makes it easier to skip mobs(no build can kill all elite mobs, teleport allows you to drag them to certain positions. I do see it working better on Belial himself but overall the Arcane Orb build allowed me to destroy more elites then Blizzard was able to. In general Blizzard/Magic missle will be more effective for killing white mobs however for elites I prefer the AO build because it has teleport.
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On May 26 2012 03:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 03:25 NB wrote:so i party with a wiz in pub game to clear beliah... she died 6 times with here arcane orb slow... i died once with blizzard + magic missle... yeah right AO is better :-/ here is why: you have to sit back and launch the projectile for arcane orb, then the projectile has to fly, then you get a bit of slow for 2 seconds. However, with blizzard hydra, you could imidiately self cast blizzard+hydra and start running, save yourself turning around animation twice. Blizzard also has a much better slow duration and bc of that you DONT NEED TO SPAM it unlike AO. This cause AP cost isnt that much a problem in blizzard build. People who argue about DPS: you could kill them with AO but die 5 times to get them to last hit or just kite them forever like me and kill them with venom hydra. Oh did i forget to mention blizzard has a 20% chance to stun shits under it too? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alXRSO!UTf!cZabZY Really strong build for both party and solo play. Last passive should be adjusted between Ward/Astral/Blur/GlassCanon based on your items stat. I think it's silly to compare yourself to another wizard. Might have different gear/be worse than you. But even if you die more often, as long as you get it down faster that's fine by me. If I'm facing a mob and it takes me like 10 minutes to get it down, or I get it to 10% and I die with blizzard I wouldn't like the build. In any case, attack speed is important to stay alive.
nah, we both getting 1 shot but i never let them touch me despite vortex teleport (YES I KITE THAT SHIT ALL DAY)
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On May 26 2012 04:20 Kipsate wrote:
The thing which I really dislike about the Blizzard/Magic missle build is that you don't have teleport, which makes you totally incapeable of killing jailer mobs(yes they are killeable with Arcane Orb, some of them) On top of this, teleport makes it easier to skip mobs(no build can kill all elite mobs, teleport allows you to drag them to certain positions. I do see it working better on Belial himself but overall the Arcane Orb build allowed me to destroy more elites then Blizzard was able to. In general Blizzard/Magic missle will be more effective for killing white mobs however for elites I prefer the AO build because it has teleport.
you need to stay 1.5 screen away from the mobs. PERIOD. Else you will die a horrible death. Magic missle with seeker rune is perfect to reach enemy from 1.5 screen away and should be utilized at its max range. By doing that teleport is kinda not needed and is a waste of skill slot.
The only weekness of this build is Invul Minions and Fast mobs... If i see those and have no good tankers, i just leave and remake the game
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On May 26 2012 04:29 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:20 Kipsate wrote:
The thing which I really dislike about the Blizzard/Magic missle build is that you don't have teleport, which makes you totally incapeable of killing jailer mobs(yes they are killeable with Arcane Orb, some of them) On top of this, teleport makes it easier to skip mobs(no build can kill all elite mobs, teleport allows you to drag them to certain positions. I do see it working better on Belial himself but overall the Arcane Orb build allowed me to destroy more elites then Blizzard was able to. In general Blizzard/Magic missle will be more effective for killing white mobs however for elites I prefer the AO build because it has teleport. you need to stay 1.5 screen away from the mobs. PERIOD. Else you will die a horrible death. Magic missle with seeker rune is perfect to reach enemy from 1.5 screen away and should be utilized at its max range. By doing that teleport is kinda not needed and is a waste of skill slot. The only weekness of this build is Invul Minions and Fast mobs... If i see those and have no good tankers, i just leave and remake the game
Hmm. Thoughts on seeker missile vs. venom hydra? When you're kiting so much venom hydra honestly might not be the best, and with a lot of attack speed I could see seeker missile being very good.
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