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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
January 11 2013 23:32 GMT
#4481
Whenever I see a Wizard using Chantodo's will + force but with a low (100 or less) avg damage on the source, I always question whether or not its worth it. While you get the +130 int and an ias roll on the source, I can't help but feel that it ignores the value of average damage, which scales sooo well with high attacks / second.

Unless the ias on the Chantodo's is enough to bump you over a breakpoint, wouldn't an Occulus or Tal Rasha's give higher dps and APoC for the same price?
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
January 12 2013 00:43 GMT
#4482
Well, for most people 8-9% ias IS taking them over a breakpoint. Plus most people gearing for this build are doing it for ubers, not farming, where your dps isn't as important as your freezing ability (while other characters focus more on DPS).
.ImchEEzy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada123 Posts
January 12 2013 02:44 GMT
#4483
hey
After a long break I'm back and just hit 60 on my wiz. Can you recommend what items i should get, and if any of you got some extra items for this noob, i'd greatly appreciate it (US sc)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DeathRazR-1623/hero/30419233

Also is it viable to use cain's set lvling my paragon?
GreatAjax
Profile Joined October 2007
United States21 Posts
January 13 2013 08:00 GMT
#4484
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
January 13 2013 12:33 GMT
#4485
On January 12 2013 11:44 .ImchEEzy wrote:
hey
After a long break I'm back and just hit 60 on my wiz. Can you recommend what items i should get, and if any of you got some extra items for this noob, i'd greatly appreciate it (US sc)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DeathRazR-1623/hero/30419233

Also is it viable to use cain's set lvling my paragon?


Zunimasas Boots, Tal Rashas Helm,if you can afford it a Witching Hour Belt, if not a decent Tal Rashas Belt and some gloves with CC and CD. Rest of the gear looks okay for starting Inferno. Try to get a life steal weapon eventually, but i guess for now your damage is still low enough that you can do with blood magic.

It can be worth it to level with Cains Set, but only for very elite few of players. I have a 260K Archon Wiz and i don't think it's worth it. Better get a hellfire ring and a higher ruby in your helmet.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
January 13 2013 12:40 GMT
#4486
On January 13 2013 17:00 GreatAjax wrote:
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax


To get your archon build working you need more movement speed. Lacuni Bracers are the most common choice for that. You need to kill fast and quick to keep archon up, adding movement Speed and DPS helps the most. Also I don't recommend playing on anything higher than mp0 with your gear, you just don't kill fast enough.

See if you can get a cheap Triumvirate of the AH. The elemental damage they have can be quite a big boost to your DPS, even if they have lower average damag and stats.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
January 13 2013 12:56 GMT
#4487
On January 12 2013 04:34 Kevski wrote:
Hello,
I'm casually playing a cm/ww wizard ( http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kevski-2408/hero/4591923 ) and have no idea what I should upgrade right now.

I've read the thread about the build which says you should have around 18 arcane power per hit (minimum) - at the moment I only have nine, but I don't know which piece to replace.


Storm Crow is the obvious choice to get more arcane power on crit. They cost a small fortune with high critical hit chance though. Arcane Power on crit 18+, around 40 critical hit chance a decent attack speed is just a must have for this build. It just doesn't work well without it.

I'd suggest getting a Storm Crow with 10 Arcane Power on Crit. Eventually you'd have to replace some the attack speed you've lost from the mempo to get back to the breakpoint though, probably through a witching hour or through rings. 3 Attack speed more would put you just above the same breakpoint you currently got. Also consider getting a faster weapon, 1,62 is really slow for a chantodos.

The build started working well for me on around 40 CC, 2,5 attack speed and 19 arcane power on crit.

Breakpoints: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6794871641
.ImchEEzy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada123 Posts
January 13 2013 17:31 GMT
#4488
On January 13 2013 21:33 Doso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 11:44 .ImchEEzy wrote:
hey
After a long break I'm back and just hit 60 on my wiz. Can you recommend what items i should get, and if any of you got some extra items for this noob, i'd greatly appreciate it (US sc)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/DeathRazR-1623/hero/30419233

Also is it viable to use cain's set lvling my paragon?


Zunimasas Boots, Tal Rashas Helm,if you can afford it a Witching Hour Belt, if not a decent Tal Rashas Belt and some gloves with CC and CD. Rest of the gear looks okay for starting Inferno. Try to get a life steal weapon eventually, but i guess for now your damage is still low enough that you can do with blood magic.

It can be worth it to level with Cains Set, but only for very elite few of players. I have a 260K Archon Wiz and i don't think it's worth it. Better get a hellfire ring and a higher ruby in your helmet.


I upgraded a lot of items but with archon build should i go for ias/cc glove or cc/cd glove/ammy?
Also i prefer doing mp1 with cains set then mp3 without cain set, its actually much easier.
And how do you get a hellfire ring?
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
January 13 2013 19:33 GMT
#4489
hey guys
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/divine-1936/hero/23906642

im a 150kdps cm wizard
im currently at 41cc and 2.38aps, really looking to get some more attack speed

what would you guys recommend i upgrade? (ring and amulet are easy attack speed upgrades)
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 20:19:56
January 13 2013 20:15 GMT
#4490
ImchEEzy: For archon, whatever gives you more sheet DPS, it's as simple as that. CC/CD is usually easier to get higher DPS with, but that totally depends on your gear.

On January 14 2013 04:33 JerKy wrote:
hey guys
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/divine-1936/hero/23906642

im a 150kdps cm wizard
im currently at 41cc and 2.38aps, really looking to get some more attack speed

what would you guys recommend i upgrade? (ring and amulet are easy attack speed upgrades)


You need to get 7% attack speed to get to the next breakpoint, depends on your budget. Amulet or left ring are the obvious choices, but it will be costly to find similar alternatives
GreatAjax
Profile Joined October 2007
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 22:18:32
January 13 2013 22:17 GMT
#4491
On January 13 2013 21:40 Doso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 17:00 GreatAjax wrote:
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax


To get your archon build working you need more movement speed. Lacuni Bracers are the most common choice for that. You need to kill fast and quick to keep archon up, adding movement Speed and DPS helps the most. Also I don't recommend playing on anything higher than mp0 with your gear, you just don't kill fast enough.

See if you can get a cheap Triumvirate of the AH. The elemental damage they have can be quite a big boost to your DPS, even if they have lower average damag and stats.


Hey thanks for your input! I agree anything over MP0 exp wise is pointless. But today with my meteor show I was able to do MP3 pretty easily with zero deaths and a lot of rares. I wonder if Lacuni's or Tyreal's would make the difference between me being able to do archon or not. Honestly at MP0 with my gear archon seems pointless because I can do MP0 with almost any build. Its the higher MP levels I should be aiming for I suppose. I'll look into a Triumvirate, I don't really see how it could be such a big upgrade over my current source, but then again nobody has really explained Thanks again!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 22:23:23
January 13 2013 22:21 GMT
#4492
On January 14 2013 07:17 GreatAjax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 21:40 Doso wrote:
On January 13 2013 17:00 GreatAjax wrote:
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax


To get your archon build working you need more movement speed. Lacuni Bracers are the most common choice for that. You need to kill fast and quick to keep archon up, adding movement Speed and DPS helps the most. Also I don't recommend playing on anything higher than mp0 with your gear, you just don't kill fast enough.

See if you can get a cheap Triumvirate of the AH. The elemental damage they have can be quite a big boost to your DPS, even if they have lower average damag and stats.


Hey thanks for your input! I agree anything over MP0 exp wise is pointless. But today with my meteor show I was able to do MP3 pretty easily with zero deaths and a lot of rares. I wonder if Lacuni's or Tyreal's would make the difference between me being able to do archon or not. Honestly at MP0 with my gear archon seems pointless because I can do MP0 with almost any build. Its the higher MP levels I should be aiming for I suppose. I'll look into a Triumvirate, I don't really see how it could be such a big upgrade over my current source, but then again nobody has really explained Thanks again!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

it adds (at a minimum) +15% damage over your current source. unless you're doing key or uber runs, it really is pointless to play over mp0/1. even the extra item drop is pretty much negligible.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
January 13 2013 22:29 GMT
#4493
On January 14 2013 07:17 GreatAjax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 21:40 Doso wrote:
On January 13 2013 17:00 GreatAjax wrote:
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax


To get your archon build working you need more movement speed. Lacuni Bracers are the most common choice for that. You need to kill fast and quick to keep archon up, adding movement Speed and DPS helps the most. Also I don't recommend playing on anything higher than mp0 with your gear, you just don't kill fast enough.

See if you can get a cheap Triumvirate of the AH. The elemental damage they have can be quite a big boost to your DPS, even if they have lower average damag and stats.


Hey thanks for your input! I agree anything over MP0 exp wise is pointless. But today with my meteor show I was able to do MP3 pretty easily with zero deaths and a lot of rares. I wonder if Lacuni's or Tyreal's would make the difference between me being able to do archon or not. Honestly at MP0 with my gear archon seems pointless because I can do MP0 with almost any build. Its the higher MP levels I should be aiming for I suppose. I'll look into a Triumvirate, I don't really see how it could be such a big upgrade over my current source, but then again nobody has really explained Thanks again!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741


The triumvirate is better because of the +% elemental damage. If you have a black (non-elemental) weapon (like you do), then the +% gets applied to your overall dps. That is where the +15-18% comes from.

As far as doing MP3 and getting more rares, that becomes much less of an issue once you get some more paragon levels for MF. With your DPS you should definitely not be doing MP3, it's simply too slow to be efficient, for exp or items. You can get a +~40% MF amulet and get a similar benefit to going up a few MP levels.
.ImchEEzy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada123 Posts
January 14 2013 01:36 GMT
#4494
best place to farm for xp in A3?

Also how do you make a hellfire ring
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 14 2013 01:43 GMT
#4495
On January 14 2013 10:36 .ImchEEzy wrote:
best place to farm for xp in A3?

Also how do you make a hellfire ring

google. for exp, alkaizer run. for hellfire ring, battle.net has a guide.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 14 2013 07:06 GMT
#4496
Hmm, just got this run linked to me from a friend:

it is essentially
skycrown --> tower of the damned --> keeps lvl 2 --> rakkis crossing + fields --> arreat crater
with the option of doing caverns of frost and core of arreat as well if you want more loot, but less XP.

He claims it is 20% more XP efficient than alkhaizer runs, and that it is viable for any class.

Does anyone have experience and/or an opinion on this route?
GreatAjax
Profile Joined October 2007
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 07:47:34
January 14 2013 07:45 GMT
#4497
On January 14 2013 07:29 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 07:17 GreatAjax wrote:
On January 13 2013 21:40 Doso wrote:
On January 13 2013 17:00 GreatAjax wrote:
Made a few purchases based on some suggestions. Upgraded my bracers to have some AR for pretty cheap and got a vile ward with high int/AR. I tried the archon build and I just couldnt manage to keep archon up with huge gaps in mob groups. I am really liking this meteor shower build with LL though it works great. I am wondering what I should upgrade next? My rings or weapon seem like the best option at this point. If I upgrade my weapon I'm going to take a HUGE hit to my HP pool though. Any thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741

Ajax


To get your archon build working you need more movement speed. Lacuni Bracers are the most common choice for that. You need to kill fast and quick to keep archon up, adding movement Speed and DPS helps the most. Also I don't recommend playing on anything higher than mp0 with your gear, you just don't kill fast enough.

See if you can get a cheap Triumvirate of the AH. The elemental damage they have can be quite a big boost to your DPS, even if they have lower average damag and stats.


Hey thanks for your input! I agree anything over MP0 exp wise is pointless. But today with my meteor show I was able to do MP3 pretty easily with zero deaths and a lot of rares. I wonder if Lacuni's or Tyreal's would make the difference between me being able to do archon or not. Honestly at MP0 with my gear archon seems pointless because I can do MP0 with almost any build. Its the higher MP levels I should be aiming for I suppose. I'll look into a Triumvirate, I don't really see how it could be such a big upgrade over my current source, but then again nobody has really explained Thanks again!

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GreatAjax-1155/hero/2086741


The triumvirate is better because of the +% elemental damage. If you have a black (non-elemental) weapon (like you do), then the +% gets applied to your overall dps. That is where the +15-18% comes from.

As far as doing MP3 and getting more rares, that becomes much less of an issue once you get some more paragon levels for MF. With your DPS you should definitely not be doing MP3, it's simply too slow to be efficient, for exp or items. You can get a +~40% MF amulet and get a similar benefit to going up a few MP levels.


Thanks again! Ok that makes sense. So I will try to upgrade source first then. Should I be getting more CC on my rings or is my CD ok? Not sure where to make the small changes without spending millions on legendaries, since I'm pretty poor still. How can I break 100k DPS before buffs?
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
January 14 2013 12:39 GMT
#4498
On January 14 2013 16:06 Cascade wrote:
Hmm, just got this run linked to me from a friend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OGnpaV7krs&feature=youtu.be
it is essentially
skycrown --> tower of the damned --> keeps lvl 2 --> rakkis crossing + fields --> arreat crater
with the option of doing caverns of frost and core of arreat as well if you want more loot, but less XP.

He claims it is 20% more XP efficient than alkhaizer runs, and that it is viable for any class.

Does anyone have experience and/or an opinion on this route?

He updated it a bit later with this one


I think some people said he wasn't the first one who came with it, but it's effective anyway. I tried it a few times and it seems to be pretty good, but I didn't measure XP/hour or anything. What's really good is that in these 3 zones, you can keep archon up nonstop.
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
January 14 2013 16:37 GMT
#4499
here is my Epic PvP wizard of the ages

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KiWiKaKi-1276/hero/51061

comments
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
January 14 2013 17:11 GMT
#4500
On January 15 2013 01:37 KiWiKaKi wrote:
here is my Epic PvP wizard of the ages

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KiWiKaKi-1276/hero/51061

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