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On June 04 2012 07:10 trinxified wrote:
What is the calculation with the relation of DPS and the primary stat bonus?
I'm having a hard time getting a new weapon... Should I just go pure DPS, or high primary stat weapon?
1 attribute = +1% dmg.
dps outweighs +stat because the bonus from that is proportionately smaller if you have bonuses on the rest of your equipment.
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On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over.
Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters.
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For anyone who isn't too well geared and is having problems, let me tell you that teleport / fracture and illusionist is the best combo out there. Having a permanent blink up with decoys who can get one shoted instead of you lets you kite any elite pack that is slower than you for any amount of time regardless of affixes (unless immune minions lolz)
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So I've been farming some cash and debating which legendary with +move to get. I think Tyrael's Might would be the best but a decent one is so expensive so I'm looking between Lacuni Prowlers, Murlocket, and potentially a Unity ring. I haven't seen stats that are too impressive on a Unity yet, so I think I'll be looking between the first two. I also looked at those pants but I feel like the armor loss alone is super rough even if I find one with good int/vit.
When the Murlocket says "+4% poison damage" this means +4% damage to all poison attacks right? Has anyone who uses AO/hydra got a rough idea of how much of the damage is done by the venom hydra so I can rate this?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Looks really cool but anything resembling permafrost/perma DS seems like Blizzard wouldn't want in the game even though it requires gear and I am not willing to invest in that.
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Trying out a prismatic armor act 3 run. Will let you guys know how it works out
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didn't turn out so well ~
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On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters.
cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it.
On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting!
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Siegebreaker was pretty easy to solo, looking forward to farming him.
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On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game.!
Perhaps the word cheese has not been imported correctly but you can replace "critical mass" with "force armor" and make the same statement about how Blizzard is omniscient, but they still nerfed force armor. Some combination might seem obvious enough once you see it work but you can't expect Blizzard to have tested every combination of skills/passives at every gear level.
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On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting!
Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again?
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Yeah Diablo inferno dead after two days of trying!
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So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial?
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Think you definitely overpaid for the gloves lol. I think the most important stat to look for on gloves is all res, crit, or crit dmg, not resists. Get resists on your other pieces of armor.
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On June 04 2012 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting! Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again?
so what? is it a bad thing? and no that build you cant do with your eyes close. You need weeks or even months to farm and grind to get your gears up to tank up the mobs. Its like people just farm pure damage on DH and crit butcher in 1 hit, is that cheese too? There is nothing wrong in using in game mechanic to clear the game. Its like saying boxer bunker rush Yellow 5 times is incredibly stupid but in fact it was the most awesome moment in esports history.
On June 04 2012 11:27 trinxified wrote:
So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial?
For Belial its more about zoning, control your kiting space and understand his attack pattern more than about gears. You could pretty much solo him with your old stat if you know how to. I think focusing on DPS is a good direction since you want to clear the mobs asap so your spells could reach him in phase 2.
For weapon choosing, i strongly recommend you to look into types which give some high life on hit and gloves its better to find attackspeed/critchance than just pure int. assuming the weapon isonly 1075dps, i guess it is 1 handed?
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On June 04 2012 11:38 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting! Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again? so what? is it a bad thing? and no that build you cant do with your eyes close. You need weeks or even months to farm and grind to get your gears up to tank up the mobs. Its like people just farm pure damage on DH and crit butcher in 1 hit, is that cheese too? There is nothing wrong in using in game mechanic to clear the game. Its like saying boxer bunker rush Yellow 5 times is incredibly stupid but in fact it was the most awesome moment in esports history. Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 11:27 trinxified wrote:
So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial? For Belial its more about zoning, control your kiting space and understand his attack pattern more than about gears. You could pretty much solo him with your old stat if you know how to. I think focusing on DPS is a good direction since you want to clear the mobs asap so your spells could reach him in phase 2. For weapon choosing, i strongly recommend you to look into types which give some high life on hit and gloves its better to find attackspeed/critchance than just pure int. assuming the weapon isonly 1075dps, i guess it is 1 handed?
It is 2-handed with 1.10 attack speed. I currently do 1.53 attack speed already, since my rings/and amulet give me that. Blizz/hydra/mm(or piercing orb) build
And as for the gloves, crit chance and crit damage don't help me much since I do blizz/hydra. I knew I overpaid, but what is the actual value of them?
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On June 04 2012 11:54 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 11:38 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting! Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again? so what? is it a bad thing? and no that build you cant do with your eyes close. You need weeks or even months to farm and grind to get your gears up to tank up the mobs. Its like people just farm pure damage on DH and crit butcher in 1 hit, is that cheese too? There is nothing wrong in using in game mechanic to clear the game. Its like saying boxer bunker rush Yellow 5 times is incredibly stupid but in fact it was the most awesome moment in esports history. On June 04 2012 11:27 trinxified wrote:
So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial? For Belial its more about zoning, control your kiting space and understand his attack pattern more than about gears. You could pretty much solo him with your old stat if you know how to. I think focusing on DPS is a good direction since you want to clear the mobs asap so your spells could reach him in phase 2. For weapon choosing, i strongly recommend you to look into types which give some high life on hit and gloves its better to find attackspeed/critchance than just pure int. assuming the weapon isonly 1075dps, i guess it is 1 handed? It is 2-handed with 1.10 attack speed. I currently do 1.53 attack speed already, since my rings/and amulet give me that. Blizz/hydra/mm(or piercing orb) build And as for the gloves, crit chance and crit damage don't help me much since I do blizz/hydra. I knew I overpaid, but what is the actual value of them?
well for a gloves like that i would pay no more than 250k but idk... 500k is a very ify price range that you could buy stuff to reach end of act2 and stuck at act3. Most of act3 act4 requires gears are being sold 800k above for me. My list of recommended items are all 1mil and above atm T_T.... My best advice is: dont ever spend more than 5mil on a piece of gear.
Btw, could you post your current skill set? I think 2 handed user are better off using Arcane Orb than Blizz/Hydra?
Currently if i want to buy something as an upgrade, i will use the value of the item im going to buy minus my current item, then seeing if +10 vit +10 int is worth for me to spend 3 mil on. Never assume that your current gears will sell, if you dont wana use them, who will? I always just keep them and give it to my friends when they reach the level and needed them or sell around 100k and below for repair cost.
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On June 04 2012 12:27 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 11:54 trinxified wrote:On June 04 2012 11:38 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting! Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again? so what? is it a bad thing? and no that build you cant do with your eyes close. You need weeks or even months to farm and grind to get your gears up to tank up the mobs. Its like people just farm pure damage on DH and crit butcher in 1 hit, is that cheese too? There is nothing wrong in using in game mechanic to clear the game. Its like saying boxer bunker rush Yellow 5 times is incredibly stupid but in fact it was the most awesome moment in esports history. On June 04 2012 11:27 trinxified wrote:
So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial? For Belial its more about zoning, control your kiting space and understand his attack pattern more than about gears. You could pretty much solo him with your old stat if you know how to. I think focusing on DPS is a good direction since you want to clear the mobs asap so your spells could reach him in phase 2. For weapon choosing, i strongly recommend you to look into types which give some high life on hit and gloves its better to find attackspeed/critchance than just pure int. assuming the weapon isonly 1075dps, i guess it is 1 handed? It is 2-handed with 1.10 attack speed. I currently do 1.53 attack speed already, since my rings/and amulet give me that. Blizz/hydra/mm(or piercing orb) build And as for the gloves, crit chance and crit damage don't help me much since I do blizz/hydra. I knew I overpaid, but what is the actual value of them? well for a gloves like that i would pay no more than 250k but idk... 500k is a very ify price range that you could buy stuff to reach end of act2 and stuck at act3. Most of act3 act4 requires gears are being sold 800k above for me. My list of recommended items are all 1mil and above atm T_T.... My best advice is: dont ever spend more than 5mil on a piece of gear. Btw, could you post your current skill set? I think 2 handed user are better off using Arcane Orb than Blizz/Hydra? Currently if i want to buy something as an upgrade, i will use the value of the item im going to buy minus my current item, then seeing if +10 vit +10 int is worth for me to spend 3 mil on. Never assume that your current gears will sell, if you dont wana use them, who will? I always just keep them and give it to my friends when they reach the level and needed them or sell around 100k and below for repair cost.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#alRQSO!YXd!aYbYZY
yeah, I wasn't sure about the gloves, but I don't know why I bought that. It's decent, but I definitely overpriced. I guess I should be happy because my other stuff is cheap.
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On June 04 2012 11:38 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 10:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 09:53 NB wrote:On June 04 2012 08:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 04 2012 07:05 NB wrote:there is an interesting post on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/uitg7/my_almost_unbeatable_melee_wiz_build_for_soloing/apparently the bleeding dmg from deepcut does have a crit chance. His build, even though is not into the imbalance tipping point, is extremely good for a tanking wizard disabler vs boss fight in party. I wonder if i should invest money to test this out :-/ Already got a decent stormshield and some crit items left over. Interesting, but again, I see this as a cheese build and don't want to invest in the gold. He also says you need near perfect gears for act 3-4 which I can at least farm azmodan really easily atm, not many mobs give me trouble except the teleporters. cheese? do you even use the definition of cheese correctly? First of all cheese =! exploit, it is something simple in the game that people could just execute to win games in starcraft. There is nothing to be exploited here, critical mass was designed for wizard to use. Blizzard must have thought about how much spells wizard used that has what cool down before they put this into the game. The fact that he is that committing to become a tank wizard is totally creative :-/... Its like the guy who put everything into DPS and archon nonstop, i dont see nothing wrong with it. On another note: reach Seigbreaker with 30k HP, 40k DPS(with 3 buff on ofc), 4.2k armor and 250-ish resist all...... Life is full of kiting! Did you read what you even typed? Lol how was the critical mass build not cheese by your definition. You could literally just sit there with 500k gold worth of gear and do act 2 with your eyes closed. In any case, creativity, unorthodox, use of game mechanics, simple, yeah, how is this not considered to the equivalent of cheese again? so what? is it a bad thing? and no that build you cant do with your eyes close. You need weeks or even months to farm and grind to get your gears up to tank up the mobs. Its like people just farm pure damage on DH and crit butcher in 1 hit, is that cheese too? There is nothing wrong in using in game mechanic to clear the game. Its like saying boxer bunker rush Yellow 5 times is incredibly stupid but in fact it was the most awesome moment in esports history. Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 11:27 trinxified wrote:
So I spent about 1 million upgrading...
Old stats:
- 38k hp
- 24k dps
- 244 all res
New stats:
- 39k hp
- 37k dps
- 245 all res
My weapon is 1075 dps, with 106 int, 120 vit got it for 350k gold. Also spent 540k gold for 186 int, 77 vit,147 dex, 58 allres gloves. I think I overpaid the gloves. Meh.
Am I ready to kill Belial? For Belial its more about zoning, control your kiting space and understand his attack pattern more than about gears. You could pretty much solo him with your old stat if you know how to. I think focusing on DPS is a good direction since you want to clear the mobs asap so your spells could reach him in phase 2. For weapon choosing, i strongly recommend you to look into types which give some high life on hit and gloves its better to find attackspeed/critchance than just pure int. assuming the weapon isonly 1075dps, i guess it is 1 handed?
Lol? Why would you use boxer's bunker rush as an example for this when the whole point of the argument was "is this cheese or not" and not "is this okay to use" or not. Really unorthodox stuff like this is the most prone to getting nerfed, and diablo 3's history already proves me correct on that. Furthermore, it's okay, but I doubt it's very good for act 3 and beyond where it's a lot harder to survive. A good example would be azmodan. How would you ever do azmodan with this build?
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I have a question about stats, on a weapon that is, for example 800-1100 with a attack speed of 1.00, and it says +100-300 damage and then +50% damage, what exactly does this mean? I have no idea whether these stats are way better, way worse, or about the same as a wep with ias or int.
Looking at the straight damage number can sometimes be sort of misleading because it is dps and Im running the AO hydra build.
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