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On September 06 2012 07:35 ArC_man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 03:08 serum321 wrote:On September 06 2012 02:46 unkkz wrote: How much dps do you guys reckon is needed to farm act 2 efficiently? I have 50k - 53k w/o SS, 615 - 655 AR, 50k - 52k hp. That is more than enough to farm act 3... Personally I'd sacrifice some ar and hp for more dps, but with those kind of defensive stats even with your lower end dps (50k is still very nice w/o ss though) you should be able to use gloom and face tank everything. Edit - You need around 100k dps w/o ss to mostly one shot normal mobs in act 3 so in act 2 somewhere around 70k should be enough to roll through it. I think he forgot to mention he's playing on hardcore not softcore.
Yeah i did, i was just looking for ballpark dps numbers though. Even in HC i have noticed that skimping on some survivability in order to faceroll elites is worth it. Killing a pack very quickly is also a defensive ability of sorts
Im playing with a barb on occasion and i was thinking of SS, spiketrap and the arcane bola when playing with him? Anyone tried something similar? Because the bolas should work well with SS and ST while not being to annoying to hit when he tanks everything. Only issue is the damn wasps in act 2 though, fuckers never stand still.
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I'm nowhere near the gear I need right now ( http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zelgadissan-1402/hero/14084176 ), but just for my own reference sake - what sort of dps and/or crit chance% should I be considering dropping SS? I have a 15.5% crit chance right now, I honestly don't remember my non-SS dps. I'm guessing I would need to get up to something like 60k+ dps, 25-30% crit chance before even considering it?
On a side note, I'll be headed up the Silver Spire on Inferno for the first time tonight, gotta get Diablo killed before they nerf my no-skill crutch of ToC :D !
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On September 06 2012 08:00 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 07:35 ArC_man wrote:On September 06 2012 03:08 serum321 wrote:On September 06 2012 02:46 unkkz wrote: How much dps do you guys reckon is needed to farm act 2 efficiently? I have 50k - 53k w/o SS, 615 - 655 AR, 50k - 52k hp. That is more than enough to farm act 3... Personally I'd sacrifice some ar and hp for more dps, but with those kind of defensive stats even with your lower end dps (50k is still very nice w/o ss though) you should be able to use gloom and face tank everything. Edit - You need around 100k dps w/o ss to mostly one shot normal mobs in act 3 so in act 2 somewhere around 70k should be enough to roll through it. I think he forgot to mention he's playing on hardcore not softcore. Yeah i did, i was just looking for ballpark dps numbers though. Even in HC i have noticed that skimping on some survivability in order to faceroll elites is worth it. Killing a pack very quickly is also a defensive ability of sorts  Im playing with a barb on occasion and i was thinking of SS, spiketrap and the arcane bola when playing with him? Anyone tried something similar? Because the bolas should work well with SS and ST while not being to annoying to hit when he tanks everything. Only issue is the damn wasps in act 2 though, fuckers never stand still.
Oh. In that case ignore my comments. I die all the time in Act3.
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On September 06 2012 08:20 zelgadissan wrote:I'm nowhere near the gear I need right now ( http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zelgadissan-1402/hero/14084176 ), but just for my own reference sake - what sort of dps and/or crit chance% should I be considering dropping SS? I have a 15.5% crit chance right now, I honestly don't remember my non-SS dps. I'm guessing I would need to get up to something like 60k+ dps, 25-30% crit chance before even considering it? On a side note, I'll be headed up the Silver Spire on Inferno for the first time tonight, gotta get Diablo killed before they nerf my no-skill crutch of ToC :D !
DPS doesn't matter. You should consider dropping ss past the 30% mark...Keep increasing it whenever u can.
ToC isn't that useful against diablo since your worst enemy is your own shadow anyway. Good luck on diablo lol
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Yeah, only reason I mentioned DPS is because I felt that if it wasn't high enough, the guaranteed incoming crits of SS would outweigh the benefit of having decent innate crit chance but ass damage regardless. That said, I'm pretty terrible so my logic is probably screwed up.
Thanks, I'll keep that as a mental goal for the time being. After Diablo's dead it's time to start farming like crazy!
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
ToC is pretty good against diablo if you have a nats set. but yea...
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Prior to 1.04, I would say that 60k DPS was needed to farm Act3 "comfortably" (you can do with less, but it was more of a hassle). There was a criticial DPS-level to hit because of the mob heal-to-full, if you didn't kill them before you died a few times, then you're kinda stuck. However, because mobs don't heal-to-full now, I would say 50k DPS is all that's needed to not have too hard of a time.
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I have 37 cc and still sometimes run SS - IMO Critting every first cluster arrow is still really nice.
I'm 100k/175k dps with 300 cd if that matters
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On September 05 2012 13:20 Terranasaur wrote: Hey. I'm getting pretty rich and I want to buy some cool stuff. What are some useful legendaries for DH's? I bought lacuni prowlers w/ like 130-140 dex and 18 mf for 20m today - ias more than makes up for lack of cc and the move speed is so fun lol. Ofc if you can afford or would prefer cc over mf then go for it, but I like mf :D.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if you get -5 cluster arrow cost on quiver and -5 on SoJ, then with grenadier passive + vengeance, it is almost spammable.
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Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear.
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On September 06 2012 15:09 subzer0 wrote: Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear. yup that's why people had such difficulties clearing act 2, act 1 is hey, look here's some coffee to wake up. Act 2 was grenade thrown into the bed while you were still asleep and forcibly tied down. Without the requisite gear, you could not progress.
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On September 06 2012 15:09 subzer0 wrote: Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear. What do you consider "bad gear"? When D3 was first released, the definition would be very different to now - because of gear inflation, low-end gear is probably sufficient to beat Inferno. I estimate all you need is around 3 mil to clear Inferno - I'm pulling out fake numbers but I have a feeling my estimate is on the high end.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
inferno act 1 is about 2x as hard as hell act 4 and that's already a pretty sizable jump.
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On September 05 2012 15:04 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 14:47 subzer0 wrote:On September 05 2012 14:43 Azzur wrote:On September 05 2012 14:34 subzer0 wrote: dang >_<
that crit bonus with archery is just silly. thanks for the advice. The reason being is that crossbows have a lower damage range and hence higher inherent DPS. not quite understanding this exactly... For example, lets compare 2 hypothetical "typical" weapons that have roughly an equal cost: - Crossbow: speed = 1.1, damage = 900 - 1400, DPS = 1265 - Bow: speed = 1.4, damage = 400 - 1300, DPS = 1165 Obviously, I'm using arbitrary numbers, but for an equal cost weapon, crossbows will have a higher DPS. This is because bows have a high damage spread (e.g. see 400 - 1300 vs 900 - 1400). Because their DPS is lower, it just makes them worser weapons. My point is that for the discussion of crossbows vs bows to be interesting, the bow DPS will need to be equal to the crossbow. Right now, it's a no contest.
You're right, but it's a little more complicated than that because of the Archery passive.
If we look at which weapon is best assuming equal weapon DPS (which obviously isn't the case, as you pointed out), it looks like this:
![[image loading]](http://i.stack.imgur.com/1chBX.png)
This makes logical sense: at high crit chances but (relatively) low crit damage, the +50% crit damage from 2h xbow makes it best, at low crit chance but high crit damage 1h xbow is best, and in cases where the two stats are fairly well-balanced, the overall 15% damage bonus from bow wins out.
If we normalize that graph based on how average DPS rolls go on each weapon type, though, crossbows begin to dominate:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yRmSv.png)
(sorry about the shitty formatting)
This was done by taking the first graph and factoring in the average DPS of the top 5 10m gold weapons of each type, so it gives a slightly better sense of what's actually going on. Obviously, crossbows are the clear favorite for nearly any feasible gearset, but it's still worthwhile to take the others into consideration, especially if you have some sort of funky stats.
It's also worth mentioning that 1h xbows can roll crazy amounts of crit damage which makes things weird but that's for people who are dropping hundreds and hundreds of millions on their gear so I don't know how relevant it is.
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On September 06 2012 16:13 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 15:09 subzer0 wrote: Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear. What do you consider "bad gear"? When D3 was first released, the definition would be very different to now - because of gear inflation, low-end gear is probably sufficient to beat Inferno. I estimate all you need is around 3 mil to clear Inferno - I'm pulling out fake numbers but I have a feeling my estimate is on the high end.
yeah, thats probably the case. I have a mediocre 1k DPS crossbow and a bunch of high level 50 gear. I just remember all the devs saying at launch how inferno was going to be so impossibly hard and its been a joke so far.
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On September 07 2012 00:16 subzer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 16:13 Azzur wrote:On September 06 2012 15:09 subzer0 wrote: Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear. What do you consider "bad gear"? When D3 was first released, the definition would be very different to now - because of gear inflation, low-end gear is probably sufficient to beat Inferno. I estimate all you need is around 3 mil to clear Inferno - I'm pulling out fake numbers but I have a feeling my estimate is on the high end. yeah, thats probably the case. I have a mediocre 1k DPS crossbow and a bunch of high level 50 gear. I just remember all the devs saying at launch how inferno was going to be so impossibly hard and its been a joke so far.
You have to remember that Inferno has been nerfed a whole lot since release. In addition, dps rolls on weapons have been buffed significantly.
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On September 07 2012 00:32 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:16 subzer0 wrote:On September 06 2012 16:13 Azzur wrote:On September 06 2012 15:09 subzer0 wrote: Is act 1 of inferno just a big joke? I cleared it with ease, even got speed achievement on butcher (not that it matters), and I have pretty bad gear. What do you consider "bad gear"? When D3 was first released, the definition would be very different to now - because of gear inflation, low-end gear is probably sufficient to beat Inferno. I estimate all you need is around 3 mil to clear Inferno - I'm pulling out fake numbers but I have a feeling my estimate is on the high end. yeah, thats probably the case. I have a mediocre 1k DPS crossbow and a bunch of high level 50 gear. I just remember all the devs saying at launch how inferno was going to be so impossibly hard and its been a joke so far. You have to remember that Inferno has been nerfed a whole lot since release. In addition, dps rolls on weapons have been buffed significantly.
truth. i hit inferno a week or two before the patch hit and was having a hell of a time clearing act 1. as soon as patch hit i roll through act 1 and progressed through most of 2 without issue. very little gear upgraded during that transition.
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