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On February 23 2012 02:17 imPermanenCe wrote:
I joined the beta a few days ago (So I can't compare patch 13 with previous patches). UI is indeed really bad. (I'd always use elective). And swapping 2 skills from button is horrible. Also assigning new skills is still a bit meh. I don't want my skills spreaded over 5 pages.
Killing stuff is fun :D (can't compare it to older patches, so not much to say about that).
When playing as WD I missed auto attack a bit. When you're spamming poison darts, and you're really low on mana, but want to cast Grasp of Death (AoE skill which is better). You need to wait for a second or two. At this moment you can't do anything (can't cast dart cuz ur waiting for mana, and you can't auto attack yourself).
But I think people are right and this should only be an issue on low level.
one other major annoyance is the auction house. When I compare this to WoW's auctionhouse, this one really is a setback.
-You can only search items for the classes you are playing yourself. (although you'll end up with all the classes anyway, still terrible)
-You can't search on item name.
-For materials you have to set an amount you want before you can search (also not super bad)
Am I mistaken with these AH issues, or are they real?
AH complaints are pretty common but I don't like to complain about something like that and chat since those functions are always so transient.
The UI wouldnt bother me so much either so long as the problem in question deals with somethign I dont need to deal with very often at the end of the game. Like setting skills. Inventory UI obviously has to be good.
My beef with this particular skill UI is that it is simply a backwards step from the previous one. Its so clear a downgrade. Who looked at this and thought it was ok to put out there?
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On February 22 2012 09:42 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 09:28 willoc wrote:On February 21 2012 03:17 dacthehork wrote:
- Can't swap skill hotkeys, aka if you want to switch your left cilck skill with right click skill you can't
Wrong. Go into gameplay options and check 'elective skills'. You can now bind skills any way you like (although in a cumbersome way which will probably be improved in a future patch). I'm pretty sure you're entire post's meat goes wayside once you know this. The rest are just minor UI grievances you seem to be having. I'm pretty sure he means this situation... LMB - Hungering Arrow RMB - Bola Shot Oh crap I want LMB to be bola shot! Let me fix that. Oh wait you can't directly. You have to... 1. Bind LMB to a random skill not being used. 2. Bind Hungering Arrow to RMB. 2a. Wait for cooldown on LMB to finish. 3. Bind Bola shot to LMB. 3a. Wait for bola shot on LMB to finish.
Indeed. A minor UI grievance. How is this inconvenience (that will most likely be fixed up soon - it is beta after all) a leap backwards? Sounds like exaggerated whining to me.
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Once the Elective Mode is properly implemented those things won't be a concern.
AH UI will continue to be cleaned up for (and after) release.
Dry those tears!
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On February 22 2012 19:44 hyperknight wrote:
After all the whining
On February 23 2012 02:30 VPCursed wrote:
i like the system and find the ui to work fine. I dont understand the bitching.
On February 23 2012 04:13 Gescom wrote:
Dry those tears!
Is there a cave where you guys live together? Really, please tell us, so we can avoid you at all costs.
Don't agree with folks? Perfectly fine. But don't be assholes about it. Stay civil, like [F_]aths does, who manages to be polite despite the majority disagreeing with him. Don't have anything to contribute but trolling, provocation and snappy comments? There's the door.
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Is there a cave where you guys live together? Really, please tell us, so we can avoid you at all costs.
Don't agree with folks? Perfectly fine. But don't be assholes about it. Stay civil, like [F_]aths does, who manages to be polite despite the majority disagreeing with him. Don't have anything to contribute but trolling, provocation and snappy comments? There's the door.
good that you have so much to say! 
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On February 23 2012 03:30 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 09:42 Logo wrote:On February 22 2012 09:28 willoc wrote:On February 21 2012 03:17 dacthehork wrote:
- Can't swap skill hotkeys, aka if you want to switch your left cilck skill with right click skill you can't
Wrong. Go into gameplay options and check 'elective skills'. You can now bind skills any way you like (although in a cumbersome way which will probably be improved in a future patch). I'm pretty sure you're entire post's meat goes wayside once you know this. The rest are just minor UI grievances you seem to be having. I'm pretty sure he means this situation... LMB - Hungering Arrow RMB - Bola Shot Oh crap I want LMB to be bola shot! Let me fix that. Oh wait you can't directly. You have to... 1. Bind LMB to a random skill not being used. 2. Bind Hungering Arrow to RMB. 2a. Wait for cooldown on LMB to finish. 3. Bind Bola shot to LMB. 3a. Wait for bola shot on LMB to finish. Indeed. A minor UI grievance. How is this inconvenience (that will most likely be fixed up soon - it is beta after all) a leap backwards? Sounds like exaggerated whining to me.
Oh no, I agree with you, I actually have one of the first replies in this thread saying the OP is being crazy. The UI unquestionably has some issue though (but the underlying system is much more solid than before).
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On February 23 2012 01:23 Horrde wrote:Now as you level, not only are skills and skill slots unlocked (just like before) but the rune types are unlocked as well. Every level 15 demon hunter will have the exact same abilities to their avail just like every level 23 barbarian will as well for one another. Choosing is as simple as selecting the skill, then selecting the rune from a sub-category and boom, you have your "customization." It pairs with your weapon of choice. There is no more degree of magnitude. The degree lies solely with your weapon or +damage attributes in the form of DPS and no more of the rune escalation type. What do you think of that? Pretty fun huh?  Everything is dependable upon level. Other than endgame gear, I predict there will be no more separation from the next guy.
There will be much variety through gear, gems, and personal preference before the end game. For example some skills are easier to use but less effective. With better items (the beta offers just a few basic item types) the difference in the gear compared to other chars also increases.
With runes as items you feel that you cannot use your character's full potential since you want rune type X for skill Y, but also a high rune level. Since the supply of runes is limited, you have to distribute your available runes to optimize your char. This requires much math. It distracts you from playing the game. You have to handle runes as items, meaning if you want to try out a new build, you have to click a lot.
Even though the new elective mode UI isn't the best, it's probably still way cleaner than the original rune item handling.
With the enchanter gone, I hope that Blizzard introduces more gems though. But even if we don't get it and have to wait for the expansion where we probably get charms through a talisman, the expansion still can be based upon a working skill system. If the old system would have worked well, it wouldn't have been replaced, or would it. We know that Blizzard scrapped some ideas, quite early, including charms, and some other stuff even during beta, to focus on the core mechanic.
It's easier to expand customizations based on a well-working system than add stuff to a ... weird system (see WoW, endless re-working, still not perfect.)
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Yeah I really don't understand why people think that you can just be any spec at any time.
If I'm making use of Impale, Multishot, or Elemental arrow that's going to be one set of gear (probably attack speed and extra hatred).
If I'm making use of Strafe and/or Rapid shot then I'm much better off with less attack speed and more damage and on hit effects.
It's not clear that bola shot can stack on a single mob, so if I'm using bola shot then damage is the name of the game.
If I'm using the traps and the companion then attack speed is almost worthless and I really need gear to help me build up discipline better as well as a high base damage.
Then even more with runes. On hit effects are awesome with hungering arrow + extra pierce chance (or at least immobilize is), but less important if I'm using a different rune.
It's not like you're going to have all this gear available to you all the time. People will still be different depending on how they gear up and what that means for their skills/runes.
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http://vr-zone.com/articles/blizzard-tells-gamers-to-lower-expectations-for-diablo-iii/14997.html
“On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves,” wrote community manager Bashiok. “Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?”
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On February 24 2012 02:49 Serpico wrote:http://vr-zone.com/articles/blizzard-tells-gamers-to-lower-expectations-for-diablo-iii/14997.html“On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves,” wrote community manager Bashiok. “Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?”
What, Bashiok isn't allowed to make a humorous post anymore?
It's funny how most people demand Blizzard employees to tell us more generally while at the same time, every yet so small statement/quote there is from them gets torn apart by probably the very same people.
The Blizzcon 2011 Balance discussion by Browder and David Kim took the cake, every single word was dissected.
I hope none looks at that quote and goes "oh god, he thinks the game is awful!" - though I know people will -.-
Edit: Bashiok not Bioshock lol.
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On February 24 2012 02:49 Serpico wrote:http://vr-zone.com/articles/blizzard-tells-gamers-to-lower-expectations-for-diablo-iii/14997.html“On a more serious note, I too worry that we won't be able to meet the expectations people have built up for themselves,” wrote community manager Bashiok. “Part of my job is managing people's expectations, so... eh... stop it. Stop thinking about how awesome this game could be. Just imagine it's a new M. Night Shyamalan movie. Sure Sixth Sense was amazing and Unbreakable had it's moments, but this right here is the sequel to The Village ... or The Happening ... or Signs ... or any of the movies besides the two I first mentioned. So just like, lower those expectations, but still definitely buy the game please, and everything will be just fine. K?”
wow, way to basically throw your job out the window
"dear gamers, diablo 2 was great. but diablo 3 might suck, sorry!"
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On February 24 2012 03:06 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
What, Bashiok isn't allowed to make a humorous post anymore?
He starts by saying "On a more serious note" and I'm pretty sure he's not using sarcasm, although its hard to tell on the internet.
I seriously wonder if your comment was just for the sake of trolling...
On February 24 2012 03:06 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The Blizzcon 2011 Balance discussion by Browder and David Kim took the cake, every single word was dissected.
Maybe you should also learn to address meaning to words, it would help your comprehension skills.
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I don't see what's wrong with what he said. Every gamer knows the terrible sting of hype from one point or another. We're about to play a game that people are looking back on fondly from 10 years ago with rose colored glasses to overlook all of its flaws. People are hyping up crazy expectations and demands for this game pretty much demanding from the onset that it has enough depth to allow them to play the game for 10 years like they did with D2. Meanwhile a whole other group of people are probably expecting D3 to take the genre to some crazy place that it's really not even shooting for (it's a high quality iteration on D2, not a breakthrough revolution to the genre).
There's no way any game can live up to that hype, not because the game can't be good enough, but because even the most minor flaws will cause players to enrage.
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On February 24 2012 01:34 Logo wrote:
Yeah I really don't understand why people think that you can just be any spec at any time.
If I'm making use of Impale, Multishot, or Elemental arrow that's going to be one set of gear (probably attack speed and extra hatred).
If I'm making use of Strafe and/or Rapid shot then I'm much better off with less attack speed and more damage and on hit effects.
It's not clear that bola shot can stack on a single mob, so if I'm using bola shot then damage is the name of the game.
If I'm using the traps and the companion then attack speed is almost worthless and I really need gear to help me build up discipline better as well as a high base damage.
Then even more with runes. On hit effects are awesome with hungering arrow + extra pierce chance (or at least immobilize is), but less important if I'm using a different rune.
It's not like you're going to have all this gear available to you all the time. People will still be different depending on how they gear up and what that means for their skills/runes.
Yeah you can put multiple bolas on a single enemy.
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On February 24 2012 05:49 ezk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 03:06 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The Blizzcon 2011 Balance discussion by Browder and David Kim took the cake, every single word was dissected.
Maybe you should also learn to address meaning to words, it would help your comprehension skills.
Way to be a straight jerk. Really don't need this strange aggression in threads here.
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WTF was Bashiok thinking? I mean.. he is the COMMUNITY MANAGER for christ's sake.
This is why I respect the FABLE 3 lead director. That dude was a stone cold killer. Guy stands on the podium dead serious and tells the world that FABLE 3 will be the greatest game of all time. He'll never be out of a job with that poker face.
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I had much higher expectations for Starcraft 2 than Diablo 3, but after playing the D3 beta, I'm convinced it's going to be the better sequel.
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Uhhhhhhhh. I'm confused... =/
How are you supposed to move your character around in this new control scheme? I always used to just right click to move around in D2. Are we supposed to use arrow keys now? Or is there something like the inverse of a-move, a key which lets you move-move?
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Also, while we're anti-Blizzard ranting... anyone else here seriously not considering buying the game unless they allow offline play? Diablo 2 is a classic that we will be able to play and keep playing, regardless of whether Blizzard servers are up or Activision one day goes under. Diablo 3 is a game that we can't even play when we're without internet connection (or how about when there's slow internet?). I really really want to get Diablo 3... but I think the only-online play is too big a downside
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On February 24 2012 05:49 ezk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 03:06 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
The Blizzcon 2011 Balance discussion by Browder and David Kim took the cake, every single word was dissected.
Maybe you should also learn to address meaning to words, it would help your comprehension skills.
I'm not sure if I understand you, but I guess word wasn't the right term to use there? Otherwise I don't get your problem.
On February 24 2012 05:49 ezk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 03:06 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
What, Bashiok isn't allowed to make a humorous post anymore?
He starts by saying "On a more serious note" and I'm pretty sure he's not using sarcasm, although its hard to tell on the internet. I seriously wonder if your comment was just for the sake of trolling...
Yeah, I'm probably trolling, because every time we aren't sure about something we call someone a Troll nowadays, because hey why not.
http://d3db.com/blue/thread/4079872821/us
Some of you might have seen some headlines or a certain (obviously sarcastic) blue post that implies that we're unsteady about where Diablo III stands, and that you should temper your expectations when it comes to the next installment in the Diablo series.
Let me be clear: Nothing could be further from the truth.
Surely, sarcasm can be hard to detect on the internet, but in this case it was damn obvious.
But of course you're not the only one, nothing makes for a better headline than "Blizzard thinks Diablo 3 won't be that good!" - So that's what a bunch of websites did.
That hasn't been the first time either, Bashiok often made funny remarks etc. that then got taken seriously. And I like him as a CM quite a bit, I love it when he makes a sarcastic comment towards totally pathetic bullshit.
But I guess that's not what you're supposed to do as a CM nowadays, not if you belong to a big company like Blizzard were everyone jumps on everything you say.
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On February 24 2012 18:19 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
I'm not sure if I understand you, but I guess word wasn't the right term to use there? Otherwise I don't get your problem.
You despise the people trying to make sense into blizzard statement by saying "they dissect every words". Well, I'm sorry, but that's how you make meaning: you take a word, you put it in the context and you create meaning. You rant about nerds over-processing blue post, but you don't acknowledge the meaning of "On a more serious note".
Weeew, good thing it was just sarcasm/irony by "Bioshock".
On February 24 2012 18:19 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Yeah, I'm probably trolling, because every time we aren't sure about something we call someone a Troll nowadays, because hey why not.
You take no meaning from "On a more serious note" and rant about people dissecting words. I felt like all you wanted was to stir some shit, because otherwise.. what was your goal with posting such a comment? I guess, just like Bashiok, you had nothing better to write, you were bored and needed some attention.
Trolling is a technique used for fishing - Trolls are little green fantasy creatures. They are written almost identically but they definitely don't have the same meaning. It's important to use the right words in a proper context (without sarcasm or irony) if you want others to understand you clearly. Take example on Bashiok.. wait, no.
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