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On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels.
Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =)
Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen.
Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end.
Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case.
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I do not understand why they don't just allow us to enlarge the chat window to the size we want...
Zeh technologies.. We do not have zem!
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On February 08 2012 09:54 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 07:33 suspiria wrote:
Yeah, I miss having to search through a host of a-holes and BMing neanderthals, not to mention the spambots, in order to find a decent game on a map that I actually want to play. I don't think anyone suggested getting rid of Battle.net 2.0 matchmaking. Good chat and good matchmaking aren't mutually exclusive. If everyone you ever met was a neanderthal, the problem is either that you need a thicker skin, or that you weren't hooking up with the right people and finding the right channels for you. And I don't think it's helpful to pretend it's easy to find good custom games in SC2.
Fair enough. It does suck not being able to find easy opponents for custom maps.
I do have thick skin. It's not that I get hurt or irritated. It's just more of a hassle (okay, I cry...a little...)
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On February 08 2012 05:49 Moliere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 04:05 ThaZenith wrote:
...Too invested at this point not to.. I'm confused, how are you invested in a game that hasn't been released? If anything, I can understand being invested in HoTS because having spent a bunch of time with WoL (even though I still see that as a stretch), but on D3? How are we forced to buy anything? Is Blizz hypnotizing people or something?
When I say 'invested' or 'forced', I'm not referring to their literal dictionary definitions. I shall explain for you, since you don't seem to understand.
I haven't invested any money into blizzard or the game. I haven't invested any time into the game itself. But I've invested a ton of time into following the development, and beta, and all my energy/hope in how it'll turn out. Not to mention untold years since D2 waiting for another game. Which means I'm 'forced' to buy it. I could, theoretically, in a perfect universe, decide not to buy it, but that's not happening here.
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Hmm I will probably still buy this since I know enough people who are gonna be getting the game regardless.
@ThaZenith, i think you mean you feel obligated to buy it because of all the time and energy invested in following D3, as well as playing D2. You're not actually forced to buy anything though...
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On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case.
No one is arguing that the actual gameplay won't be good or fun. But the social aspect of the game lacking is indeed worrying for some of us since the social aspects are as important as the actual gameplay. There is a number of times one can kill the same shit over and over again before it gets old.
I didn't login to WoW for 4 years because everyday hoping to find a new piece of armor. I logged in because it was so fun to just hangout outside of Orgrimmar and dueling, chatting in Barrens chat, chatting with guildies etc. The social aspects of WoW was great.
I didn't expect something similar for Diablo 3 but yeah, I was hoping for atleast a global chat where I could go "anyone wanna trade... anyone wanna duel...anyone looking for an arena team of wizard/monk..." or just "hey sup guys...".
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On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case.
There's nothing to "suck up". Blizzard games have thrived becaused they have always encouraged the growth of communities. Since Cataclysm and SC2, the company stance on this has apparently changed.
The social component is equally as important as good gameplay for many people. Why else would you play a multiplayer game?
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On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case.
Uhhh, if you think simply implimenting chat channels is some monumental undertaking that is trying to please everyone....then wow. Low standards galore here. And yes, when you want to talk to no one and think chat channels dont have a place in diablo 3, a game the devs are trying to do everything they can to keep connected online and with other people, ya you're a bit antisocial. There should be nothing to "suck up", you're not tough because you can live without chat channels, you're just letting blizzard off the hook because you're a fan.
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On February 08 2012 16:47 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case. Uhhh, if you think simply implimenting chat channels is some monumental undertaking that is trying to please everyone....then wow. Low standards galore here. And yes, when you want to talk to no one and think chat channels dont have a place in diablo 3, a game the devs are trying to do everything they can to keep connected online and with other people, ya you're a bit antisocial. There should be nothing to "suck up", you're not tough because you can live without chat channels, you're just letting blizzard off the hook because you're a fan.
implementing chat channels are not that big of a task.
but still.. if i don't care if the game has chat channels or not, don't make me antisocial at all, no matter what the devs are trying to do.. i don't care as long as i can communicate the way i feel like communicating, and with the people i feel like communicating with... and it by no way show how social i am.. Other things might make me anti social.. but not this
i'm not though because i can live without them.. if i'm though its because of other things...
i'm not letting blizzard of the hook because i'm a fan.. i let them off the hook becauase i dont need them to be on it.
you're just going after everyone who do not have the same fire you have because you're not getting what you want
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On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.
Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.
Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.
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I really dont get the whole idea of "not being social" thing and those chat channels. I never used a chat in sc2 and I will never will. I play with my friends, we gather play some 1v1 trainings, 3v3,4v4 and etc., doing smoke pauses and whatever else - toilet, beer and we continue. Why would I want some chat channels when we are on skype? So basically the same will be in D3. I just dont use this feature and I will probably never use it.
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On February 08 2012 16:47 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case. Uhhh, if you think simply implimenting chat channels is some monumental undertaking that is trying to please everyone....then wow. Low standards galore here. And yes, when you want to talk to no one and think chat channels dont have a place in diablo 3, a game the devs are trying to do everything they can to keep connected online and with other people, ya you're a bit antisocial. There should be nothing to "suck up", you're not tough because you can live without chat channels, you're just letting blizzard off the hook because you're a fan.
Completely unrelated to being a fan, I wouldn't care about this issue no matter the developer. I just don't usually make friends through game's chat capabilities. IMO the reason Blizz won't put chat channels in their games anymore is because they don't want to moderate them, simple as that, and they don't want the channels to turn into hell on earth with all the spam and all the idiots.
I think Blizzard should offer things like guild support and guild chat channels, a better, easier to use interface to communicate with your friends, etc, considering they just don't seem to want to add open chat channels.
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On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too. Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself. Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.
"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"
This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.
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On February 08 2012 16:47 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:26 Urbz wrote:On February 08 2012 10:11 Serpico wrote:
So we've established that people that are antisocial don't care about chat channels....ok. That doesn't mean they shouldnt exist. There's no feature that 100% of people will use or like unless it's a mandatory part of the game. I don't understand the "well I PERSONALLY won't use it....therefore it's fine being gone." It's close minded. It's just like the offline/online debate the game has brought up. I want everyone to get as much use and enjoyment out of the game and would love chat channels. Calling people who dont need chat channels to make friends antisocial. Speaking of close minded. =) Keeping everyone happy is impossible and will obviously never happen. Just suck it up and give the game a whirl when it's out because knowing Blizzard it will turn out great for both casual and hardcore players in the end. Or don't, although i fail to see why one would keep actively posting about the game in that case. Uhhh, if you think simply implimenting chat channels is some monumental undertaking that is trying to please everyone....then wow. Low standards galore here. And yes, when you want to talk to no one and think chat channels dont have a place in diablo 3, a game the devs are trying to do everything they can to keep connected online and with other people, ya you're a bit antisocial. There should be nothing to "suck up", you're not tough because you can live without chat channels, you're just letting blizzard off the hook because you're a fan.
Too true, buddy. Who says there's no single player? You login, and you're immediately confined to a concrete box with little glory sized holes in which you can talk (or "whisper" now :S) to your selective friends. This is SC2, and now D3. For a company who's sticking with the always online route, they sure are keeping limiting social potential and interaction. I know personally, this is what greatly minimized the longevity of SC2 for me.
I'll be playing with a few friends sure, but the majority of my friends when I play a virtual game are people I've met in channels. BW had more way more top amateur and mid-road teams than SC2 will ever have, solely because of the open communication concept. I mean, just look at the clan-league system we had in wgt, pgt, and iccup. It's so sad to see them going a different route... because I know many of todays young gamers will not experience the friendships and good times I had while growing up, and that was probably the biggest part of why I kept logging in everyday.
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This thread makes me feel like the only person in the world that doesn't give two shits about a public chat channel...
Edit:: The last place I want to meet people is in general chat. I make friends in games, I make friends on TL, I make friends at events. I bought SC2 for both the single player and the multiplayer and I was happy with what I got. I didn't buy it so I could talk to a bunch of kids caps-locking obsenities and slurs in the general chat. I bought the game for a fun competitive experience
And D3... I will buy to have fun with real life friends. Slaying monsters, finding treasure, getting stuck at bosses.
Playing with friends from general chat makes me think of this.
![[image loading]](http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/forever-alone-meme-280x250.png)
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On February 08 2012 22:10 SeeDLiNg wrote:
This thread makes me feel like the only person in the world that doesn't give two shits about a public chat channel...
Edit:: The last place I want to meet people is in general chat. I make friends in games, I make friends on TL, I make friends at events. I bought SC2 for both the single player and the multiplayer and I was happy with what I got. I didn't buy it so I could talk to a bunch of kids caps-locking obsenities and slurs in the general chat. I bought the game for a fun competitive experience
And D3... I will buy to have fun with real life friends. Slaying monsters, finding treasure, getting stuck at bosses.
Playing with friends from general chat makes me think of this.
***forever alone picture***
lol  . As long as you acknowledge that other people have made meaningful connections through chat, and that the social experience has been more for them than "kids caps-locking obscenities...". I've read quite a few posts about people who have made long-term friendships with people they've met in Brood War chatrooms. What better place to meet people who share your interests than through a gaming service?
Well anyways its disappointing to me to learn that Blizzard is back to its social engineering ways. Its kind of interesting to learn how poor of an opinion Blizzard has of the people that play their games. When I go to the general chat for SC2 streams, I see many people making the typical paranoid "troll" claims whenever someone says something they find wrong or offensive, a few crazies, some "X is OP comments"...but on the whole its quite enjoyable. There are lots of genuinely funny and smart people there (although its difficult to interact when the chat moves so quickly!)
Ultimately it would be nice to see a poll to see what the entire community thinks (not necessarily just the people who comment on forums). Are we truly a minority? Or are we the majority? If I were to guess I'd think we were the majority.
*edited for grammar
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The thing is if they restrict our ability to communicate with each other they can somewhat force us to use the auction house/real money auction house. That will make them money and this whole thing is built around that. They don't give a shit, they want money. The beta feels like a console game built around matchmaking and milking the money out of their customers. (Call of duty 2012)
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On February 09 2012 00:30 Glasse wrote:
The thing is if they restrict our ability to communicate with each other they can somewhat force us to use the auction house/real money auction house. That will make them money and this whole thing is built around that. They don't give a shit, they want money. The beta feels like a console game built around matchmaking and milking the money out of their customers. (Call of duty 2012)
The auction house is very convenient even with chat channels. It's very tedious to go around asking people if they have the item you want, and if they want anything you have for it. Do you want to go back to the D2 style trading? (If you are/were a d2jsp user, you will still be able to in D3)
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On February 08 2012 22:10 SeeDLiNg wrote:This thread makes me feel like the only person in the world that doesn't give two shits about a public chat channel... Edit:: The last place I want to meet people is in general chat. I make friends in games, I make friends on TL, I make friends at events. I bought SC2 for both the single player and the multiplayer and I was happy with what I got. I didn't buy it so I could talk to a bunch of kids caps-locking obsenities and slurs in the general chat. I bought the game for a fun competitive experience And D3... I will buy to have fun with real life friends. Slaying monsters, finding treasure, getting stuck at bosses. Playing with friends from general chat makes me think of this.
You're discussing things on a forum full of people you don't know. On TL IRC people discuss games with people they don't know. Same on stream chats. Are these all foreveralones too? Surely no one here has real life friends, else they'd limit their discussions to those friends.
Chat is a tool like any other. For trading, theorycrafting, sharing knowledge about the game. I can ask for advice on a character build in chat just like I can on a forum only one is right there in the game and the other I have to tab out and find somewhere to do it. This tool isn't being improved upon, it's just being removed. The goal is not to "make friends" although you freely admit you can make friends anywhere else, so if it happens in chat why is that suddenly shameful to you? If you play with someone you met in d3 chat as opposed to a d3 public game and become friends, is that friendship forever marred?
Either you don't understand that, or you were too eager to post a foreveralone picture and remind the internet that you have friends to really understand what chat is about. Congratulations on having friends, though. That's truly remarkable
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On February 09 2012 00:41 kuresuti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:30 Glasse wrote:
The thing is if they restrict our ability to communicate with each other they can somewhat force us to use the auction house/real money auction house. That will make them money and this whole thing is built around that. They don't give a shit, they want money. The beta feels like a console game built around matchmaking and milking the money out of their customers. (Call of duty 2012) The auction house is very convenient even with chat channels. It's very tedious to go around asking people if they have the item you want, and if they want anything you have for it. Do you want to go back to the D2 style trading? (If you are/were a d2jsp user, you will still be able to in D3)
I am not saying it's inconvenient, but why else would they pretty much reduce the size of our stash by half and make us unable to trade without a 3rd party if it wasn't to make more money with the rmah?
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