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Kmonx
Profile Joined October 2011
United States102 Posts
February 08 2012 17:08 GMT
#141
On February 08 2012 03:01 Shikyo wrote:
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On February 08 2012 02:53 Kmonx wrote:
Blizzard changing the chat system doesn't bother me that much since there are ways to communicate(forums, skype, etc.) with people.

Why have a friends list when you can just use facebook?


Using facebook as your friends list is cool and all but some people don't have one, don't care to use it, or just don't play video games period.
"Megapigs can fly, with Void Rays in the sky." - Day[9]
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
February 08 2012 17:12 GMT
#142
On February 09 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:
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On February 09 2012 00:41 kuresuti wrote:
On February 09 2012 00:30 Glasse wrote:
The thing is if they restrict our ability to communicate with each other they can somewhat force us to use the auction house/real money auction house. That will make them money and this whole thing is built around that. They don't give a shit, they want money. The beta feels like a console game built around matchmaking and milking the money out of their customers. (Call of duty 2012)


The auction house is very convenient even with chat channels. It's very tedious to go around asking people if they have the item you want, and if they want anything you have for it. Do you want to go back to the D2 style trading? (If you are/were a d2jsp user, you will still be able to in D3)


I am not saying it's inconvenient, but why else would they pretty much reduce the size of our stash by half and make us unable to trade without a 3rd party if it wasn't to make more money with the rmah?


I didn't say they weren't doing it for the money. I know it's shit that they are moneygrubbing bastards these days (hi activison), but it's still an improvement, so I am welcoming it.

The stash still seems pretty big in my opinion. I'll wait and see if I am wrong before jumping to conclusions. You can also always use the the non RM auction house (AFAIK there is no real money involved at all), but right now it seems like it will be a smaller market though you never know.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 08 2012 17:27 GMT
#143
On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:
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On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:
On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.


Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.

Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
February 08 2012 17:41 GMT
#144
On February 09 2012 02:27 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:
On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.


Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.

Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
February 08 2012 17:50 GMT
#145
On February 09 2012 02:08 Kmonx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:01 Shikyo wrote:
On February 08 2012 02:53 Kmonx wrote:
Blizzard changing the chat system doesn't bother me that much since there are ways to communicate(forums, skype, etc.) with people.

Why have a friends list when you can just use facebook?


Using facebook as your friends list is cool and all but some people don't have one, don't care to use it, or just don't play video games period.

Or they dont want their personal information sold. Facebook isn't really an option and it should never have to be.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 17:51:05
February 08 2012 17:50 GMT
#146
On February 09 2012 02:41 kuresuti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 02:27 Shockk wrote:
On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:
On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.


Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.

Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)


Yes, I only buy video games to chat with people. Look, if you're just here to provoke or to discuss nonsense, there's the door. That posts of yours is borderline trolling and you know it.

If you don't understand the importance of social aspects in gaming, read all of the UI threads that have surfaced here on TL over the last week. Read the anecdotes. Understand how a vibrant community not only creates contacts and friends, but also happy, long-term customers for a company that's investing into these details.
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 18:00:09
February 08 2012 17:55 GMT
#147
On February 09 2012 02:41 kuresuti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 02:27 Shockk wrote:
On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:
On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.


Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.

Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)


Hope you don't plan to play the wizard. You should look up what stat point that class specializes in. How do you do it? I mean, how do you look at things so black and white?
midftw
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada170 Posts
February 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#148
On February 07 2012 07:42 rotinegg wrote:
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On February 07 2012 07:35 mark05 wrote:
Why do they have to keep making the same mistakes and again and again, don't they learn?

elimination of chat channels = higher profits && community complaining = irrelevant bitching and whining cuz u gonna buy the game anyway -> eliminate chat channels


you sir are smart
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
February 08 2012 18:13 GMT
#149
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.
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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
February 08 2012 18:34 GMT
#150
On February 09 2012 02:50 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 02:41 kuresuti wrote:
On February 09 2012 02:27 Shockk wrote:
On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:
On February 08 2012 18:02 writer22816 wrote:
On February 07 2012 17:10 pampelmus wrote:
LOL to all the people here threatening not to buy the game.
You will buy it, and you know that too.


Okay, since you are so omnipotent perhaps you can tell me why I would want to buy this game? Because I sure as hell can't think of a reason myself.

Honestly we should start handing out bans for these kinds of posts.


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)


Yes, I only buy video games to chat with people. Look, if you're just here to provoke or to discuss nonsense, there's the door. That posts of yours is borderline trolling and you know it.

If you don't understand the importance of social aspects in gaming, read all of the UI threads that have surfaced here on TL over the last week. Read the anecdotes. Understand how a vibrant community not only creates contacts and friends, but also happy, long-term customers for a company that's investing into these details.

I could say the same of your opinions. It just baffles me how much people are willing to fight for something that isn't even essential, even willing to look past the gameplay and boycott it just because it doesn't have chat channels and you tell me that I am trolling? Please...

I definitely understand the importance of socializing, since video games are best enjoyed with other people, but demanding something already existing in a VIDEO GAME isn't sane. I pay money because I want to play the game, if it has chat channels great, if it doesn't, whatever I'll just get on TL and find friends to discuss the game with, but to each his own I guess.
Urbz
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:26:27
February 08 2012 18:37 GMT
#151
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.


Well said.
While SC2 & D3 both use Bnet 2.0, but other then that it makes no sense to try and compare them. As stated several times before it's like comparing apples and oranges really.
Although something tells me some people simply want to disagree for the sake of it no matter what, even resorting to calling people who disagree close-minded, anti-social fansboys with low standards to justify their cause.
It probably best to leave this be and agree to disagree, then patiently wait till the game is done before actually judging it.
Something tells me whatever it is Blizzard will announce next will be ripped into by the angry band-wagon mob though. -_-
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:20:27
February 08 2012 19:18 GMT
#152
On February 09 2012 03:37 Urbz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.


Well said.
While SC2 & D3 both use Bnet 2.0, but other then that it makes no sense to try and compare them. As stated several times before it's like compared apples and oranges really.
Although something tells me some people simply want to disagree for the sake of it no matter what, even resorting to calling people who disagree close-minded, anti-social fansboys with low standards to justify their cause.
It probably best to leave this be and agree to disagree, then patiently wait till the game is done before actually judging it.
Something tells me whatever it is Blizzard will announce next will be ripped into by the angry band-wagon mob though. -_-


This is a highly subjective topic, I'll agree. Chat wasn't the same thing for everyone, and the old system wasn't perfect either. But please note that thousands of comments regarding SC2's and D3's UI elements don't just appear because some people "disagree for the sake of it".

This crowd also isn't just an "angry band-wagon mob". It's a (large) part of the respective games' fanbases passionate about their hobby and games they've grown to cherish. For them - or rather, for us - this isn't just about nostalgia, we're not glorifying a system for the sake of dusting off our pitchforks and starting a riot.

We're actually missing something in SC2 and D3. Chat, as it is in SC2 and will be in D3, is a major part of this. Please, even if you don't agree or feel the same way, realize that for some of us all these little things did indeed make the feeling of community complete, and we disagree with Blizzard's decision to scrap features for the sake of convenience.

Take a look at all of these discussions. Read the clones of the SC2 UI thread on the various official forums. By now, we're talking about thousands of users expressing their concerns. This isn't random, it's not an angry mob. It's a huge crowd of disappointed fans. You may not agree with us, which is perfectly fine. But don't dismiss or belittle us just because you don't understand our motivation.

*edit: This applies to kuresuti's reply well. Thanks for calling me "not sane", by the way. Manner much?
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 19:25:13
February 08 2012 19:23 GMT
#153
why change it when sc2 became so popular. they save money doing it this way. everyone bitches about sc2 but never does anything about it.

never really used d2 channels a lot. only thing it was mainly used for was trading which with their AH you don't need one anymore, and 90% of people used d2jsp in order to trade items.

i pretty much only used chat channels for botting chaos/baal runs, clans would have their own channels so you could see when it joins etc.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 20:37:39
February 08 2012 20:37 GMT
#154
Yeah, I think I will not be playing D3 like some other guys said in this thread.
I'm not the young kid I used to be when D2 was out, I did not intend to play it hardcore like I did back then, because of work and shit, but if you add to that the fact that you can't even make friends on the game because of a shitty Bnet, then I prefer just playing something else.
There are a shitload of good games going out right now, and it's not going to stop.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
February 08 2012 21:10 GMT
#155
Instead of telling you guys how bad your train of logic is for not playing this game because of XYZ, how about just joining the TL Diablo 3 IRC chat room when the game is out? There's a million communities out there that will support D3 that chatrooms simply are a waste of money for Blizzard (even if its easy to implement).
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 21:12:37
February 08 2012 21:12 GMT
#156
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.




Bots have an even easier time to advertise now. Click the matchmaking button, spam in game, leave game, rinse&repeat.
The spam argument is probably the worst argument of all.


If you want to trade item for item you can't because the auction house doesn't allow that which was probably the best way to trade instead of using sojs or runes, now you are forced to even remove any kind of bargaining and only trade on the auction house.


It's not even going to be sc2 style chat either, its zero chat just like when sc2 launched and the community whined so much, there wont be private channels either.

I played sc, bw, wc3, tft, d1, hellfire, d2, lod and it was great because of the chat among other stuff. I stopped playing sc2 because it was so boring and the custom map list was horrendous. I got bored before they added the chat because there was nothing else to do than a call of duty-esque matchmaking. It felt like a single player game where i would queue against random computers that never talked other than saying gg at the end. I'm 100% sure I am not alone like this and im fairly sure sc2 woudl not have been a popular game had it been the exact same game by another dev because it has nothing for itself other than it being made by blizzard.

Right now playing the d3 beta is : hit matchmaking, people rush to skeleton king without saying a single word, leave, repeat. Pvp will probably be different but then there's no game list to find pvp games so it will probably be another dumb matchmaking queue.

In a perfect world, d3 would be on bnet 1.0.

Unrelated note: the graphics look like it's from torchlight unless you apply a direct3d filter to make them sharper/darker. It's disapointing
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
February 08 2012 21:24 GMT
#157
I don't know about you but most people in any game have almost no incentive or need to socialize with others. This continues in the D3 beta where the Skeleton king is so easy to kill at this point in the game that you don't need to talk to anyone to get to him or kill him, plus there is no point in not rushing it because in the end its just killing time. People are either grinding for achievements, or crafting. Nothing is challenging enough to warrant any strategy (that's probably why people are complaining about difficulty, but its just the start of Act 1 anyways).

I can understand however if you're pissed off because of this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308482 which basically says, the who SC2 experience is shortened by lack of features for custom games, viewing games, playing tournaments, ladder, and other things, so on and so forth.

As for the sharpen filter, while a great idea it also makes some graphics look worse. This may be because of rumors saying that D3 will never have higher end graphics than what you see right now.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
February 08 2012 22:17 GMT
#158
On February 09 2012 06:12 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.




Bots have an even easier time to advertise now. Click the matchmaking button, spam in game, leave game, rinse&repeat.
The spam argument is probably the worst argument of all.


If you want to trade item for item you can't because the auction house doesn't allow that which was probably the best way to trade instead of using sojs or runes, now you are forced to even remove any kind of bargaining and only trade on the auction house.


It's not even going to be sc2 style chat either, its zero chat just like when sc2 launched and the community whined so much, there wont be private channels either.

I played sc, bw, wc3, tft, d1, hellfire, d2, lod and it was great because of the chat among other stuff. I stopped playing sc2 because it was so boring and the custom map list was horrendous. I got bored before they added the chat because there was nothing else to do than a call of duty-esque matchmaking. It felt like a single player game where i would queue against random computers that never talked other than saying gg at the end. I'm 100% sure I am not alone like this and im fairly sure sc2 woudl not have been a popular game had it been the exact same game by another dev because it has nothing for itself other than it being made by blizzard.

Right now playing the d3 beta is : hit matchmaking, people rush to skeleton king without saying a single word, leave, repeat. Pvp will probably be different but then there's no game list to find pvp games so it will probably be another dumb matchmaking queue.

In a perfect world, d3 would be on bnet 1.0.

Unrelated note: the graphics look like it's from torchlight unless you apply a direct3d filter to make them sharper/darker. It's disapointing


Regarding bot spam, I don't disagree that they have alternate forms of spamming players, but removing public chat channels that players join immediately after logging in will effectively remove one form of spam.

Trading in D2 was a terrible experience because there was no established economy when the game was first released. That makes things interesting at the very start because it introduces the possibility for trades to be wildly unfair for one player or the other, but eventually some form of standardized currency emerges. For D2 this was the SoJ which was bizarre because of their rarity and the arcane path players had to take to acquire them (having to carry both other unique rings for the SoJ to drop as the next unique ring was anything but intuitive or obvious). Gold was practically worthless in D2, but Blizzard has already said that gold will be the primary form of trading currency, just as it is in WoW. The WoW auction house as a model is extremely successful and, as long as gold carries some intrinsic value, the D3 auction house will succeed as well.

As for community interaction, I'd be interested to hear anecdotes from players who used public chat channels to befriend or forge any sort of lasting relationship with another player. When I played BW, I think I joined one game ever that was advertised in a Brood War USA-# channel and it was some 3v3 BGH game, and that was only to dominate some random players. I could have done that through joining any game in the Join list. I joined a random "Clan recruitment" game where I was invited to the clan channel and joined the clan, just to see how easily I could become the best player in a random clan (strangely Empyrean was already in this clan). I played a random WGTour game where my opponent Paladin[USA] and I founded a small clan that lasted about a week. Practically every other game that I've played -- out of SC2 or BW or D2 -- has been a standard match with or against strangers either with or without friends that had no need for public chat channels. I still joined the relevant private channels of the day: ~nohunters, Brood War USA-1000, etc., but virtually nobody I've interacted with over my course of playing Blizzard games ever had any reason to visit -- nor had anything positive to say about -- public channels.
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Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
February 08 2012 22:22 GMT
#159
On February 09 2012 07:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 06:12 Glasse wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.




Bots have an even easier time to advertise now. Click the matchmaking button, spam in game, leave game, rinse&repeat.
The spam argument is probably the worst argument of all.


If you want to trade item for item you can't because the auction house doesn't allow that which was probably the best way to trade instead of using sojs or runes, now you are forced to even remove any kind of bargaining and only trade on the auction house.


It's not even going to be sc2 style chat either, its zero chat just like when sc2 launched and the community whined so much, there wont be private channels either.

I played sc, bw, wc3, tft, d1, hellfire, d2, lod and it was great because of the chat among other stuff. I stopped playing sc2 because it was so boring and the custom map list was horrendous. I got bored before they added the chat because there was nothing else to do than a call of duty-esque matchmaking. It felt like a single player game where i would queue against random computers that never talked other than saying gg at the end. I'm 100% sure I am not alone like this and im fairly sure sc2 woudl not have been a popular game had it been the exact same game by another dev because it has nothing for itself other than it being made by blizzard.

Right now playing the d3 beta is : hit matchmaking, people rush to skeleton king without saying a single word, leave, repeat. Pvp will probably be different but then there's no game list to find pvp games so it will probably be another dumb matchmaking queue.

In a perfect world, d3 would be on bnet 1.0.

Unrelated note: the graphics look like it's from torchlight unless you apply a direct3d filter to make them sharper/darker. It's disapointing


Regarding bot spam, I don't disagree that they have alternate forms of spamming players, but removing public chat channels that players join immediately after logging in will effectively remove one form of spam.

Trading in D2 was a terrible experience because there was no established economy when the game was first released. That makes things interesting at the very start because it introduces the possibility for trades to be wildly unfair for one player or the other, but eventually some form of standardized currency emerges. For D2 this was the SoJ which was bizarre because of their rarity and the arcane path players had to take to acquire them (having to carry both other unique rings for the SoJ to drop as the next unique ring was anything but intuitive or obvious). Gold was practically worthless in D2, but Blizzard has already said that gold will be the primary form of trading currency, just as it is in WoW. The WoW auction house as a model is extremely successful and, as long as gold carries some intrinsic value, the D3 auction house will succeed as well.

As for community interaction, I'd be interested to hear anecdotes from players who used public chat channels to befriend or forge any sort of lasting relationship with another player. When I played BW, I think I joined one game ever that was advertised in a Brood War USA-# channel and it was some 3v3 BGH game, and that was only to dominate some random players. I could have done that through joining any game in the Join list. I joined a random "Clan recruitment" game where I was invited to the clan channel and joined the clan, just to see how easily I could become the best player in a random clan (strangely Empyrean was already in this clan). I played a random WGTour game where my opponent Paladin[USA] and I founded a small clan that lasted about a week. Practically every other game that I've played -- out of SC2 or BW or D2 -- has been a standard match with or against strangers either with or without friends that had no need for public chat channels. I still joined the relevant private channels of the day: ~nohunters, Brood War USA-1000, etc., but virtually nobody I've interacted with over my course of playing Blizzard games ever had any reason to visit -- nor had anything positive to say about -- public channels.



I could care less about public channels tbh, there won't be ANY KIND OF CHAT outside of match making games is what i care about.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12237 Posts
February 08 2012 22:27 GMT
#160
On February 09 2012 07:22 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On February 09 2012 06:12 Glasse wrote:
On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.




Bots have an even easier time to advertise now. Click the matchmaking button, spam in game, leave game, rinse&repeat.
The spam argument is probably the worst argument of all.


If you want to trade item for item you can't because the auction house doesn't allow that which was probably the best way to trade instead of using sojs or runes, now you are forced to even remove any kind of bargaining and only trade on the auction house.


It's not even going to be sc2 style chat either, its zero chat just like when sc2 launched and the community whined so much, there wont be private channels either.

I played sc, bw, wc3, tft, d1, hellfire, d2, lod and it was great because of the chat among other stuff. I stopped playing sc2 because it was so boring and the custom map list was horrendous. I got bored before they added the chat because there was nothing else to do than a call of duty-esque matchmaking. It felt like a single player game where i would queue against random computers that never talked other than saying gg at the end. I'm 100% sure I am not alone like this and im fairly sure sc2 woudl not have been a popular game had it been the exact same game by another dev because it has nothing for itself other than it being made by blizzard.

Right now playing the d3 beta is : hit matchmaking, people rush to skeleton king without saying a single word, leave, repeat. Pvp will probably be different but then there's no game list to find pvp games so it will probably be another dumb matchmaking queue.

In a perfect world, d3 would be on bnet 1.0.

Unrelated note: the graphics look like it's from torchlight unless you apply a direct3d filter to make them sharper/darker. It's disapointing


Regarding bot spam, I don't disagree that they have alternate forms of spamming players, but removing public chat channels that players join immediately after logging in will effectively remove one form of spam.

Trading in D2 was a terrible experience because there was no established economy when the game was first released. That makes things interesting at the very start because it introduces the possibility for trades to be wildly unfair for one player or the other, but eventually some form of standardized currency emerges. For D2 this was the SoJ which was bizarre because of their rarity and the arcane path players had to take to acquire them (having to carry both other unique rings for the SoJ to drop as the next unique ring was anything but intuitive or obvious). Gold was practically worthless in D2, but Blizzard has already said that gold will be the primary form of trading currency, just as it is in WoW. The WoW auction house as a model is extremely successful and, as long as gold carries some intrinsic value, the D3 auction house will succeed as well.

As for community interaction, I'd be interested to hear anecdotes from players who used public chat channels to befriend or forge any sort of lasting relationship with another player. When I played BW, I think I joined one game ever that was advertised in a Brood War USA-# channel and it was some 3v3 BGH game, and that was only to dominate some random players. I could have done that through joining any game in the Join list. I joined a random "Clan recruitment" game where I was invited to the clan channel and joined the clan, just to see how easily I could become the best player in a random clan (strangely Empyrean was already in this clan). I played a random WGTour game where my opponent Paladin[USA] and I founded a small clan that lasted about a week. Practically every other game that I've played -- out of SC2 or BW or D2 -- has been a standard match with or against strangers either with or without friends that had no need for public chat channels. I still joined the relevant private channels of the day: ~nohunters, Brood War USA-1000, etc., but virtually nobody I've interacted with over my course of playing Blizzard games ever had any reason to visit -- nor had anything positive to say about -- public channels.



I could care less about public channels tbh, there won't be ANY KIND OF CHAT outside of match making games is what i care about.


Not right away, but they are adding private chat channels down the line, just as they did for SC2. That's mentioned right in the OP! I don't have any problem with this.
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