D3 Bnet is going the same way as SC2 - Page 8

On February 08 2012 03:01 Shikyo wrote:

Why have a friends list when you can just use facebook?

On February 09 2012 01:26 Glasse wrote:


I am not saying it's inconvenient, but why else would they pretty much reduce the size of our stash by half and make us unable to trade without a 3rd party if it wasn't to make more money with the rmah?

On February 08 2012 19:56 kuresuti wrote:


"What? No chat channels? I'm not buying this game! Fuck the awesome story, boss battles and treasure hunting! Fuck the epic meteors of the sorcerer or the dual-wield mayhem of the Barb! No chat channels, no sale Blizzard, get it in your heads!"

This seems like a pretty accurate line of thinking some people here seem to have. Not targeting you specifically mind you.

On February 09 2012 02:27 Shockk wrote:


Treasure, meteors and mayhem keep me entertained for days or weeks, months at best.

Channels and social contacts keep me entertained for years; in some cases, even decades.

On February 09 2012 02:08 Kmonx wrote:


Using facebook as your friends list is cool and all but some people don't have one, don't care to use it, or just don't play video games period.

On February 09 2012 02:41 kuresuti wrote:

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)

On February 09 2012 02:41 kuresuti wrote:

So it's not actually the videogame itself that is important, since you get bored of it relatively quickly. It's the talking to people that you pay good money for?

Facebook is free and has a much larger playerbase than D3 will ever have, you should try that. If you want to talk about D3, you will probably find more fans of D3 on your favorite social network than you will ever find in ingame chat channels.

Some people say they shouldn't have to tab out of the game to do this, which is a fair point, but then again, how often are you both chatting and playing at the same time? Is it really that difficult to tab out while you aren't even playing? (Idling in the bnet menu is not playing)

On February 07 2012 07:42 rotinegg wrote:

elimination of chat channels = higher profits && community complaining = irrelevant bitching and whining cuz u gonna buy the game anyway -> eliminate chat channels

On February 09 2012 02:50 Shockk wrote:


Yes, I only buy video games to chat with people. Look, if you're just here to provoke or to discuss nonsense, there's the door. That posts of yours is borderline trolling and you know it.

If you don't understand the importance of social aspects in gaming, read all of the UI threads that have surfaced here on TL over the last week. Read the anecdotes. Understand how a vibrant community not only creates contacts and friends, but also happy, long-term customers for a company that's investing into these details.

On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.

On February 09 2012 03:37 Urbz wrote:


Well said.
While SC2 & D3 both use Bnet 2.0, but other then that it makes no sense to try and compare them. As stated several times before it's like compared apples and oranges really.
Although something tells me some people simply want to disagree for the sake of it no matter what, even resorting to calling people who disagree close-minded, anti-social fansboys with low standards to justify their cause.
It probably best to leave this be and agree to disagree, then patiently wait till the game is done before actually judging it.
Something tells me whatever it is Blizzard will announce next will be ripped into by the angry band-wagon mob though. -_-

On February 09 2012 03:13 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Holy crap guys, really? There is so much idiocy in this thread it was honestly difficult -- borderline agonizing -- to read through all 8 pages.

You are all looking at public chat channels through rose-tinted glasses. If you log into Diablo2, the instant you hit Enter Chat you are bombarded with bot advertisement whispers and miscellaneous spam from all the resident bots in Diablo II USA-1. That is the reason Blizzard doesn't want public chat channels. Private chat channels are another matter entirely and they outright say those are useful right in the quote.

A SC2-style format would work very well for D3, with no default public channels that you instantly join but retaining private channels for people to meet and discuss the game. The teamliquid channel in SC2 almost always contains many players discussing things from GSL to race balance to organizing practice matches.

I don't know what you guys are talking about regarding trading. There are two parallel auction houses last I heard, and that will simplify trading far more than any chat channel because it won't be luck of the draw that you happened to be online at the same time as someone who wants to sell that item you want. The auction house -- both gold and real money -- facilitate trading to the needs of every player.

On February 09 2012 06:12 Glasse wrote:




Bots have an even easier time to advertise now. Click the matchmaking button, spam in game, leave game, rinse&repeat.
The spam argument is probably the worst argument of all.


If you want to trade item for item you can't because the auction house doesn't allow that which was probably the best way to trade instead of using sojs or runes, now you are forced to even remove any kind of bargaining and only trade on the auction house.


It's not even going to be sc2 style chat either, its zero chat just like when sc2 launched and the community whined so much, there wont be private channels either.

I played sc, bw, wc3, tft, d1, hellfire, d2, lod and it was great because of the chat among other stuff. I stopped playing sc2 because it was so boring and the custom map list was horrendous. I got bored before they added the chat because there was nothing else to do than a call of duty-esque matchmaking. It felt like a single player game where i would queue against random computers that never talked other than saying gg at the end. I'm 100% sure I am not alone like this and im fairly sure sc2 woudl not have been a popular game had it been the exact same game by another dev because it has nothing for itself other than it being made by blizzard.

Right now playing the d3 beta is : hit matchmaking, people rush to skeleton king without saying a single word, leave, repeat. Pvp will probably be different but then there's no game list to find pvp games so it will probably be another dumb matchmaking queue.

In a perfect world, d3 would be on bnet 1.0.

Unrelated note: the graphics look like it's from torchlight unless you apply a direct3d filter to make them sharper/darker. It's disapointing

On February 09 2012 07:17 Excalibur_Z wrote:


Regarding bot spam, I don't disagree that they have alternate forms of spamming players, but removing public chat channels that players join immediately after logging in will effectively remove one form of spam.

Trading in D2 was a terrible experience because there was no established economy when the game was first released. That makes things interesting at the very start because it introduces the possibility for trades to be wildly unfair for one player or the other, but eventually some form of standardized currency emerges. For D2 this was the SoJ which was bizarre because of their rarity and the arcane path players had to take to acquire them (having to carry both other unique rings for the SoJ to drop as the next unique ring was anything but intuitive or obvious). Gold was practically worthless in D2, but Blizzard has already said that gold will be the primary form of trading currency, just as it is in WoW. The WoW auction house as a model is extremely successful and, as long as gold carries some intrinsic value, the D3 auction house will succeed as well.

As for community interaction, I'd be interested to hear anecdotes from players who used public chat channels to befriend or forge any sort of lasting relationship with another player. When I played BW, I think I joined one game ever that was advertised in a Brood War USA-# channel and it was some 3v3 BGH game, and that was only to dominate some random players. I could have done that through joining any game in the Join list. I joined a random "Clan recruitment" game where I was invited to the clan channel and joined the clan, just to see how easily I could become the best player in a random clan (strangely Empyrean was already in this clan). I played a random WGTour game where my opponent Paladin[USA] and I founded a small clan that lasted about a week. Practically every other game that I've played -- out of SC2 or BW or D2 -- has been a standard match with or against strangers either with or without friends that had no need for public chat channels. I still joined the relevant private channels of the day: ~nohunters, Brood War USA-1000, etc., but virtually nobody I've interacted with over my course of playing Blizzard games ever had any reason to visit -- nor had anything positive to say about -- public channels.

On February 09 2012 07:22 Glasse wrote:



I could care less about public channels tbh, there won't be ANY KIND OF CHAT outside of match making games is what i care about.