EPToGsMC - NASL - Plane Delayed - Page 18
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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 18 2011 00:03 Arkless wrote: I just can't get behind penalizing, especially penalizing a pro gamer monetarily for something 100% out of his control. Especially considering it's not like pro gamers are raking in fat stacks of cash. The I could maybe understand, but let's get real guys. I make more money per year as a construction worker than I'd say almost every single sc2 pro gamer. Not to mention most sports leagues that fine players, have players making huge contracted amounts.Not 0 money unless a tourney is won.Maybe in the future, but when people (especially in korea) have to win the big tourney to get a decent amount of money, which is then divided into the team in most cases 250 is a huge hit and would deter more pros entirely. I don't think MC is being fined for this (might be wrong I don't know). Also, MC probably makes more money than almost every other SC2 player. He made over $100,000 from the two GSL wins alone. What do you mean 0 money unless a tournament is won? SC2 players have contracts... A 50-100$ fine really isn't anything to MC or other progamers. I don't really see your argument here. | ||
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CardinalSC
United States145 Posts
This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success. I don't really see YOUR argument here. $250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine. If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization. As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote: .... No, he didnt lol Hes going to Denmark in a few days but hes most definitely in Korea now, and most definitely went home with me and Huk. You went home with MC's body double. 2 GSL wins, so he can afford to have one now. I hope that the bad luck that NASL have been having in the first week won't do any lasting harm. People need to understand that nothing on this scale has ever been done before and there are going to be problems that NASL will have to overcome. The important thing is that they learn from their mistakes and try to avoid repeating as many of them as they can. Brat_OK must be pretty happy. Probably the game he was dreading most and he gets a free win in it. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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Reneblade
United States6 Posts
I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
@ Reneblade: you paid $25 to get to see like 3-4 months of games, possibilty or seeing upwards of 50 games, im not sure how it works after the groups. I know they've been highly anticipated games, but saying its sub-par at this stage is a bit over the top | ||
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IamaGrapeMan
Canada165 Posts
On April 18 2011 02:19 Reneblade wrote: at what point do we start asking for refunds? I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off. it's not nasl's fault that the plane was delayed | ||
Brown Boy
Canada39 Posts
Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me). So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters. The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule. Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL. NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:53 CardinalSC wrote: @S.O.L.I.D. Just because MC made over 100,000 dollars, doesn't mean everyone is raking in comparable amounts of money. Do you know how many Pro SC2 players there are? This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success. I don't really see YOUR argument here. $250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine. If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization. As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players. Yes that's all fine and dandy but I was talking about MC specifically, as he, Nani, and White-Ra are the only ones who would even have the potential to be fined at this point. I never said MC should be fined, I don't think he should be fined, and I see no reason for him to be fined. I was saying if he (read: MC) did, it would not be much to him. Also AFAIK you don't get fined the whole 250, I think they take off parts of it based on what you do. | ||
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Ornithorynquez
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Reneblade
United States6 Posts
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krell
United States109 Posts
For instance, if you are facing MC and are expected to lose, its in your interest to call in a conflict and not get the loss. Their system is broken and unprofessional | ||
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DaRKMaTT3r
Brazil553 Posts
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote: I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat... User was temp banned for this post. Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know? | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
On April 18 2011 07:06 DaRKMaTT3r wrote: Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know? Yup, I totally agree that the ban was uncalled for. I thought that this comment was very funny. Secondly, I don't understand the NASL. It is not like they are streaming this live and they need MC to be there at the right time. Honestly, If i was MC, I would just let my lil bro play and cheese for me in hopes of getting at least one win ;D but that would be cheating. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 18 2011 03:32 Brown Boy wrote: I think this problem is occurring because NASL has a very aggressive and rigid schedule. Five games a night and 5 days a week. I think NASL wanted to come out big quickly. I think if they took things a bit slower to start with they wouldn't have been having so many problems. Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me). So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters. The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule. Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL. NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them. Lets be fair here - the format the NASL choose leaves them with a LOT more games to broadcast. They have more players, a format with more games, so theres no way they will be as efficient as the TSL. Im not sure I think that means they shouldnt have choosen that format... | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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toasti0
Australia22 Posts
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