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SkaPunk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States471 Posts
April 17 2011 16:30 GMT
#341
I keep reading this as oGsMC's plane destroyed. And it makes me sad.
Team Fallacy
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
April 17 2011 16:45 GMT
#342
On April 18 2011 00:03 Arkless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On April 17 2011 20:13 FIRETRUCK wrote:
why can't he play from korea then?

Because he wasnt stuck in Korea, he was stuck in Turkey, in a hotel room ?




I just can't get behind penalizing, especially penalizing a pro gamer monetarily for something 100% out of his control. Especially considering it's not like pro gamers are raking in fat stacks of cash. The I could maybe understand, but let's get real guys. I make more money per year as a construction worker than I'd say almost every single sc2 pro gamer. Not to mention most sports leagues that fine players, have players making huge contracted amounts.Not 0 money unless a tourney is won.Maybe in the future, but when people (especially in korea) have to win the big tourney to get a decent amount of money, which is then divided into the team in most cases 250 is a huge hit and would deter more pros entirely.


I don't think MC is being fined for this (might be wrong I don't know). Also, MC probably makes more money than almost every other SC2 player. He made over $100,000 from the two GSL wins alone. What do you mean 0 money unless a tournament is won? SC2 players have contracts... A 50-100$ fine really isn't anything to MC or other progamers. I don't really see your argument here.
CardinalSC
Profile Joined January 2011
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:57:14
April 17 2011 16:53 GMT
#343
@S.O.L.I.D. Just because MC made over 100,000 dollars, doesn't mean everyone is raking in comparable amounts of money. Do you know how many Pro SC2 players there are?

This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success.

I don't really see YOUR argument here.

$250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine.

If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization.

As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 17 2011 16:57 GMT
#344
On April 18 2011 01:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 01:01 Krogan wrote:
I believe MC went to compete in germany after winning Dreamhack so he wouldn't have been going home with Huk.

.... No, he didnt lol

Hes going to Denmark in a few days but hes most definitely in Korea now, and most definitely went home with me and Huk.

You went home with MC's body double. 2 GSL wins, so he can afford to have one now.

I hope that the bad luck that NASL have been having in the first week won't do any lasting harm. People need to understand that nothing on this scale has ever been done before and there are going to be problems that NASL will have to overcome. The important thing is that they learn from their mistakes and try to avoid repeating as many of them as they can.

Brat_OK must be pretty happy. Probably the game he was dreading most and he gets a free win in it.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
April 17 2011 17:15 GMT
#345
this is strange, i wish they would just reschedule the matches .... seems too be happening a lot lately
Reneblade
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6 Posts
April 17 2011 17:19 GMT
#346
at what point do we start asking for refunds?

I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off.
"It is soooooo easy being blue"
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
April 17 2011 17:30 GMT
#347
its slightly unfair on the rest of the group, seeing as how MC has to be the favourite in that group, and probably one of the favourites overall. And for Brat_ok to get a 2-0 against him gives him a massive advantage in that group. I dont see why they cant reshcedule games that cant get played, i was really looking forward to whitera vs july. They have like a week between their games anyway, surely sometime between then both players would agree to play?

@ Reneblade: you paid $25 to get to see like 3-4 months of games, possibilty or seeing upwards of 50 games, im not sure how it works after the groups. I know they've been highly anticipated games, but saying its sub-par at this stage is a bit over the top
IamaGrapeMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada165 Posts
April 17 2011 18:29 GMT
#348
On April 18 2011 02:19 Reneblade wrote:
at what point do we start asking for refunds?

I'm all for growing esports(buying HQ GSL Passes, etc. etc) but $25 for a sub-par product is pissing me off.


it's not nasl's fault that the plane was delayed
Brown Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada39 Posts
April 17 2011 18:32 GMT
#349
I think this problem is occurring because NASL has a very aggressive and rigid schedule. Five games a night and 5 days a week. I think NASL wanted to come out big quickly. I think if they took things a bit slower to start with they wouldn't have been having so many problems.

Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me).

So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters.

The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule.

Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL.

NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
April 17 2011 19:02 GMT
#350
lame, there's a forfeit every day at NASL -_-
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 19:42:10
April 17 2011 19:41 GMT
#351
On April 18 2011 01:53 CardinalSC wrote:
@S.O.L.I.D. Just because MC made over 100,000 dollars, doesn't mean everyone is raking in comparable amounts of money. Do you know how many Pro SC2 players there are?

This isn't the most accurate or up-to-date, considering it leaves out most small online tournaments, but SC2 Prize Money is a rough estimate of the prize money winnings of top professionals. If you look, IdrA, who won an MLG, is sitting quite a ways near the bottom. This leaves out all sorts of other incomes, but there are still two things wrong with your argument: 1. MC cannot be fined simply because everyone knows he's made money, that's discriminatory. 2. You use this to conclude that it isn't really anthing to him or other programers, which is entirely invalid given the 50 players in the league, many who have yet to see major success.

I don't really see YOUR argument here.

$250 is a lot of money for anyone, not just many up-and-coming SC2 professionals (and established). It's outrageous for that exorbitant a sum to be charged for not scheduling just one match. I think a walkover or a reschedule is perfectly fine.

If you are watching the league for the 2 walkovers so far, then I think you missed some of the main selling points of this particular organization.

As well, they hurt themselves enough being in a deficit for an immense prize pool, and every win counts against 49 other top-tier players.


Yes that's all fine and dandy but I was talking about MC specifically, as he, Nani, and White-Ra are the only ones who would even have the potential to be fined at this point. I never said MC should be fined, I don't think he should be fined, and I see no reason for him to be fined. I was saying if he (read: MC) did, it would not be much to him.

Also AFAIK you don't get fined the whole 250, I think they take off parts of it based on what you do.
Ornithorynquez
Profile Joined August 2009
430 Posts
April 17 2011 20:08 GMT
#352
MC = Lan dodger.

:p
I have to return some videotapes.
Reneblade
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6 Posts
April 17 2011 21:12 GMT
#353
i didn't say i want my money back. I was asking a question, at what point do we start asking for our money back? Completely legitimate question.
"It is soooooo easy being blue"
krell
Profile Joined July 2010
United States109 Posts
April 17 2011 21:52 GMT
#354
The whole principle of not giving any losses to the player who didn't show up is flawed in my opinion. You cannot give one win and not give a loss to counter balance it. It's not fair to players who show up and lose their matches.

For instance, if you are facing MC and are expected to lose, its in your interest to call in a conflict and not get the loss. Their system is broken and unprofessional
"you've got to change the world and use this time to be heard"
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 22:09:28
April 17 2011 22:06 GMT
#355
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote:
I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat...

User was temp banned for this post.


Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D

Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know?
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
April 17 2011 23:21 GMT
#356
I"m really disappointed in these walkovers. I find they are really taking away from the tourny in general. Also, I'm surprised that he is not charged with the losses. I mean in life if you can't be somewhere you don't get second chances. If I miss a business meeting in chicago (my fault or not) I lose out on those deals.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
April 17 2011 23:48 GMT
#357
On April 18 2011 07:06 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 03:16 starcraft911 wrote:
I'm going to beat my cat SOOOOOOOO bad if MC gets a walkover... 3 days in a row the best matches don't happen. WTF is going on... I have to go find my cat...

User was temp banned for this post.


Why this guy got a ban? Just curious! He was obviously joking if he was banned for threatining the life of his cat! =D

Edi After next week they will have an extra day for people to reschedule when they cant show up to their previous scheduled day. So these possible scheduled days will be played on fridays or will it be arranged during the normal days with the other regular matches? Anyone know?


Yup, I totally agree that the ban was uncalled for. I thought that this comment was very funny.


Secondly, I don't understand the NASL. It is not like they are streaming this live and they need MC to be there at the right time. Honestly, If i was MC, I would just let my lil bro play and cheese for me in hopes of getting at least one win ;D but that would be cheating.

A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
April 18 2011 00:16 GMT
#358
On April 18 2011 03:32 Brown Boy wrote:
I think this problem is occurring because NASL has a very aggressive and rigid schedule. Five games a night and 5 days a week. I think NASL wanted to come out big quickly. I think if they took things a bit slower to start with they wouldn't have been having so many problems.

Just comparing it to TSL which is also an online tournament. There are many big names in TSL and there are no problems all the players have played their games and there were no forfeits. This is because TSL is only shown on two days (Saturday and Sunday) and they work off of replays. I don't know why people would want to see NASL live because they don't get to see anything except the casters. In tournaments like Dreamhack, GSL and MLG there is a crowd and place to play adding to the live casting. But for NASL I don't think it would make a difference if it was a replay or live (at least for me).

So again TSL is only shown on 2 days and they have the other 5 days in the week to schedule the games. Much more flexible for the players and casters.

The forfeits are unfortunate and I think that NASL made the right decision. There are factors that they cannot control but I do fault them for making such an aggressive schedule.

Another problem is that the players might not take NASL as seriously as other tournaments. This is because it is in its first season. And with problems like this occurring I don't foresee people's image of NASL changing. Players will continue to prioritize established tournaments (like GSL) over NASL.

NASL was overly ambitious and now it is coming to bite them.

Lets be fair here - the format the NASL choose leaves them with a LOT more games to broadcast. They have more players, a format with more games, so theres no way they will be as efficient as the TSL.

Im not sure I think that means they shouldnt have choosen that format...
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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
April 18 2011 00:28 GMT
#359
ahhh... again the best match gets canceled... T.T no WhiteRa, and MC so far T-T...
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
toasti0
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia22 Posts
April 18 2011 01:03 GMT
#360
I think the cat beating dude should of got a ban, threatening violence is well worth a ban. The scary thing is you can't tell if he's telling the truth or not he might be just a weirdo.
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