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fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
April 17 2011 11:20 GMT
#301
Organizers (NASL) will have to adapt otherwise they will lose public.
Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy.
You also have to realize players have huge part in your show. Only top players are capable of producing series like Sen versus Boxer.
We rather watch 1 “fucking awesome” series per day than 5 average ones.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
April 17 2011 11:23 GMT
#302
On April 17 2011 20:17 Tegin wrote:
I don't understand why they can't just reschedule the match..or let them play it out and let us know the FAIR outcome? Make vods, or hell just release the replays. All the community wants is to see these high profile players play!

Until you improve on both your quality and decision making with scheduling I will not be purchasing a ticket from you NASL. Forfeiting wins and/or simply giving wins due to schedules just doesn't make sense when most of this community has paid MONEY to watch these matches that NASL has hyped and promised.



If games are supposed to be played on a thursday, and you have games every other weakday 2, how the hell are you supposed to find time to reschedule.

The only solution i see is to play the game like a week in advance, but then the chance of the results getting out are way bigger, so i dont really know.

I think that this just have been an unfortunate week and that things will be better next week.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 11:31:54
April 17 2011 11:30 GMT
#303
1) the way they do it is the worst possible. Even if they play the games and they will never go public it is still better than a coin flip deciding the winner.
2) did white-ra get 0 losses as well? because I dont see how his situation is any different from this one.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 17 2011 11:42 GMT
#304
@aderum
Honestly I'd give players a 48hr period when games have to be completed. If not completed I'd penalize the players and let them make up the series the next week (similar to a double header on baseball when they makeup games due to rainouts). If not completed by the 2nd week I'd DQ player(s).

48hrs is plenty of time for both players to complete a BO 3/5/7. If players can't do that in 2 weeks they need to rethink being in the league. And to confirm what I meant by penalizing player(s), depending on what reasoning was given for the games not being completed, could range from starting the series 0-1 to being ineligible for the playoffs.

Yes it may be no ones fault, the players, or NASL's..but NASL will be the one taking the heat in the end when matchups are not completed.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
edidas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden78 Posts
April 17 2011 11:45 GMT
#305
As i predicted (in my own head, not here on TL) this tournament is such a disaster. Really don't like any part of it. The casters try to be Tastosis so much that it looks pathetic. Anything inControl touches seems to turn to shit.

The stream quality is terrible, the casting duo have zero appeal and the forfeiting mess. I would never pay for the season pass. This tournament needs to be free for a period of time and they need to shape up something fierce.

Someone said that they were trying to uphold profesionalism, I can't see a trace of it
Easy Tychus, this ain't science fiction.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 11:49:41
April 17 2011 11:49 GMT
#306
It sounds as if MC should have...
(puts on sunglasses)
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YEEAAAAHH!
Thank God and gunrun.
Wawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States215 Posts
April 17 2011 11:52 GMT
#307
I think NASL wants the players learn how to commit to the league.
They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches.

I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such.
The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far.
(Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies).

also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up.
This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such.

<3 white-ra
www.youtube.com/wawastarcraft
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
April 17 2011 11:55 GMT
#308
Ridiculous, this league is rapidly turning into Not Another Statutory Loss.

To draw a parallel if TSL organised TSL 3 the same then we wouldn't have got to see Boxer because of him being ill in hospital. These kinds of things are unavoidable in a tournament that runs for weeks they should have something in place to deal with the odd occasion because being so rigid is going to hurt the league. Maybe give every player two passes which they can use whenever to delay a game for a week and do a double header if they use it.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
April 17 2011 11:59 GMT
#309
GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc.

NASL / MLG bye.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
April 17 2011 12:07 GMT
#310
On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote:
GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc.

NASL / MLG bye.

100% agree.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
April 17 2011 12:22 GMT
#311
It's interesting that White-Ra informed NASL he would not be able to participate if he made it further in dreamhack and they still gave him a loss.
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
April 17 2011 12:22 GMT
#312
On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote:
GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc.

NASL / MLG bye.

Agreed!

Dropping the most anticipated matches is really bad for a tournament that wants to be up there with the GSL.
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:08:42
April 17 2011 12:40 GMT
#313
I think the community needs to be supportive. Obviously this league has some huge stuff to fix, and everyone should be dissapointed.. but taking endevours like this for granted is bad. I payed for the "HD", I think the stream and VOD quality sucks, and I don't like the way they are doing it either.. but the whole american star league with a studio consept is something that needs to be flooded with constructive critisism, not blame game. I rather want something like this on the scene, than another IEM, MLG etc. I like a new consept, and with time, money, and resources from people that know how to run things, the idea of the american star league can really come to flourish. I know the hype was uncalled for when we see the result, but I think with big changes in the tech departement and spending of resources, this can get good in time. This tournament is in a growing market, and will be replaced if something better comes along..before that happens, I think support is the way to go within reasonable limits.
a.k.a. [iNF]cALLe - member of TL since around 2002..account dead.
Frozzen
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden73 Posts
April 17 2011 12:55 GMT
#314
On April 17 2011 05:50 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 05:47 Zanno wrote:
why not just have a make-up day at the end of the season at this point


That would be a great idea. If they set aside 1 week after all the group play, for all of the W.O's to be played. The downside to doing that is that more players will assume they can put the NASL on the back burner over another tournament happening at the sametime, and still be able to make up their matches later on. This would most certainly lead to some amount of abuse, and alot of work for the NASL people to deal with.


That's what I said in the Nani thread, so I continued to think about it and really if a player doesn't show or have to recheduel his game then the player that showed should be able to get some sort of advantage in a rescheduled match. The obvious advantage would be that the player that shows will pick the map pool for the recheduled game.
"Give a man a fire and he is warm for a night. But set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life"
pompey606
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom98 Posts
April 17 2011 13:00 GMT
#315
Good news for Brat Ok, who is one of my favourite players, MC gets off fairly lightly as well so I do not see this is bad news
Is this the website for Counter Strike?
skrillakid
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden20 Posts
April 17 2011 13:10 GMT
#316
NASL is such a joke. I dont think they can win the community back no matter what they do from now on.
stfu
Aksar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States6 Posts
April 17 2011 13:31 GMT
#317
I must say it is great that we have finally gotten to the point in StarCraft where we have a choice between which tournaments we should watch, rather than having the choice defaulted to us by lack of others.

NASL is well aware of this and I am certain they will be considering ways to adapt more when things like this arise. You still have my support as long as you are remaining transparent.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:38:06
April 17 2011 13:37 GMT
#318
On April 17 2011 20:52 Wawa wrote:
I think NASL wants the players learn how to commit to the league.
They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches.

I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such.
The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far.
(Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies).

also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up.
This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such.

<3 white-ra


Dude, NASL is a new tournament they cant learn the players anything that have to be earned first. In comparison is like "the story about the new kid on the block trowing candy at every1 in order to get them to like him"

Dont work like that im affraid and the sooner NASL realise it the better..
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:47:20
April 17 2011 13:46 GMT
#319

On April 17 2011 20:52 Wawa wrote:
I think NASL wants the players learn how to commit to the league.
They need players to give more room for scheduling NASL matches.

I think NASL is doing a good job. Keeping to schedule and such.
The players haven't really adjusted to the system so far.
(Especially the ones who will go to a lot of tournies).

also, I think NASL should throw in the $250 fine to the players for not showing up.
This should help. Prevent walk-over wins and such.


<3 white-ra


Not many "pro"gamers have 250 to throw when IRL shit happens, and lets be honest. IRL shit DOES happen, MC doesnt fly the plane. So all he can do is book his flight and show up for it like he did. That's something that is out of his control and he shouldn't be punished monetarily. That idea is LOL.
http://www.mixcloud.com/Arkless/ http://www.soundcloud.com/Arkless
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
April 17 2011 13:52 GMT
#320
On April 17 2011 20:20 fds wrote:
Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy.

That's not true – Average Joe cares way more whether the games are live or not than Average TL User does.
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
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