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On April 17 2011 20:59 Sina92 wrote:
GSL TSL and Dreamhack are awesome, I will be sticking to those and some IEM etc.
NASL / MLG bye.
Agreed, while all these tournaments are great for the scene I think it is now bordering on too much to watch. They're going to have to compete in terms of delivering the best games and optimizing their production quality for the audience's time. If TSL3 and Dreamhack have shown me anything its that the west is capable of GSL tier production. They have also shown intensely entertaining games, just take yesterday's TSL3 match ups for example and Dreamhack's in general. People are also going to be drawn in by all the big names, I think that if people aren't going to be promised these games and unfortunately due to whatever circumstance you can't deliver, the audience is going to start moving away. And as much as I hate to see it happen, I think it is with NASL. I'm really looking forward to today's TSL3, I can honestly say I don't really have anticipation for any NASL broadcasts anymore. Just my thoughts.
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On April 17 2011 20:20 fds wrote:
Organizers (NASL) will have to adapt otherwise they will lose public.
Average Joe would like to watch interesting games. He is not interested in politics (live/prerecorded/casted from replays). As long as you will deliver games Joe will be happy.
You also have to realize players have huge part in your show. Only top players are capable of producing series like Sen versus Boxer.
We rather watch 1 “fucking awesome” series per day than 5 average ones.
It's actually a little too late for that, they've already lost face. The responses of the thread showed that there is already a lot of negative feedback towards the inflexibility of the matches, especially when a lot of the hyped matches ended up with a walk-over.
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man NASL is having a pretty rough start :/
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Why does each match have to be played on one specific day in a 9 week group stage? I mean, if something unpredictable happens like it did to MC, why the hell wouldn't you let the match be rescheduled?
It's not as if it was MCs fault.
Further more, the tournament can go on even if the match is played one/a few days later. Rescheduling the match doesn't harm anyone but the NASL.
I absolutely can't understand this decision.
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On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:29 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Jeez another one? This is starting to get old, of course this is no fault of NASL's just overall disappointing. Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame.
Bro I bet you can tell the flight company to not delay a flight in Denmark. Go ahead and see how good that works out
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 17 2011 20:13 FIRETRUCK wrote:
why can't he play from korea then?
Because he wasnt stuck in Korea, he was stuck in Turkey, in a hotel room  ?
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On April 17 2011 23:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Because he wasnt stuck in Korea, he was stuck in Turkey, in a hotel room ?
I just can't get behind penalizing, especially penalizing a pro gamer monetarily for something 100% out of his control. Especially considering it's not like pro gamers are raking in fat stacks of cash. The I could maybe understand, but let's get real guys. I make more money per year as a construction worker than I'd say almost every single sc2 pro gamer. Not to mention most sports leagues that fine players, have players making huge contracted amounts.Not 0 money unless a tourney is won.Maybe in the future, but when people (especially in korea) have to win the big tourney to get a decent amount of money, which is then divided into the team in most cases 250 is a huge hit and would deter more pros entirely.
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The reason why they don't reschedule the match is because they essetially have that "match slot" filled by that same player's next prescheduled match. They are doing a round robin of matches non-stop, they can't just say "we'll delay the other 4 matches by a day" to allow 1 match to catch up--they do that 3-4 times then they suddenly have to expand all their production spending by a week. Smaller prize pool, less production value, etc...
The compromise is one player gets two wins and the other player gets better tie breakers. That way they can continue producing more games. How is this hard to understand?
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I'm looking forward to almost every big SC2 event / tournament, except for NASL. NASL just makes me feel bad because I feel like I could miss out on a good game, but I can't be arsed watching it due to the low production value and the lag.
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In my opinion they should just get their act together and start casting form replays just like the TSL with referees while being played.
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On April 17 2011 23:34 DarkGeneral wrote:
man NASL is having a pretty rough start :/
yeah, after the awesome announcements , the start is pretty bad. They are pretty much the hope of
e-sports so ill hope this will be it.
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On April 18 2011 00:34 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
They are pretty much the hope of e-sports
The NASL is most definitely not the hope of e-sports. It's influence on the industry is marginal at best.
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I'm sorry but for a "professional" tournament there's no excuses for these walk overs .... if the the matches are played before the games air and everything is edited you can't tell me that 2 players regardless of where they are in the world can't find a time within the previous week to play a match? Far from being impressed by the NASL so far. What if the tournament was on live tv? Sponsors must be pissed.
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On April 18 2011 00:38 KaveX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 00:34 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
They are pretty much the hope of e-sports The NASL is most definitely not the hope of e-sports. It's influence on the industry is marginal at best.
The NASL is what many people are hoping what lets e-sports boom in north america. It was (and I think still will) supposed to bring in and create more fans of esports. IdrA left Korea to focus more on the NASL and I think the tournament has the best production value out of any other tournament I have seen. It is on a strict schedule to bring us matches all week every week. that gives them a day for filming and a day for editting I would assume.
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I believe MC went to compete in germany after winning Dreamhack so he wouldn't have been going home with Huk.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:01 Krogan wrote:
I believe MC went to compete in germany after winning Dreamhack so he wouldn't have been going home with Huk.
.... No, he didnt lol
Hes going to Denmark in a few days but hes most definitely in Korea now, and most definitely went home with me and Huk.
On April 18 2011 00:04 lorkac wrote:
The reason why they don't reschedule the match is because they essetially have that "match slot" filled by that same player's next prescheduled match. They are doing a round robin of matches non-stop, they can't just say "we'll delay the other 4 matches by a day" to allow 1 match to catch up--they do that 3-4 times then they suddenly have to expand all their production spending by a week. Smaller prize pool, less production value, etc...
The compromise is one player gets two wins and the other player gets better tie breakers. That way they can continue producing more games. How is this hard to understand?
So they should just cast any game that cant be played live, from replay. Its better than a walk-over.
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IGN is probably the hope of western esports right now if anything is.
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I have barely watched any NASL and doubt I will be watching much until they go to bracket phase. Boring casting, laggy stream (EU recast). Spoilers on their main page, just below the stream and now also a totaly inflexible system with the games that makes the best games of a day not happen at ALL.
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nasl vod service is so bad /cry i been waiting 30 mins to preload
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